Top gear bashes NSX

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This is the second video clip ( i don't know where the other one is right now ) i have seen from the show top gear that has bashed the NSX. The only thing i can come up with is .When you are at the top of something , it's just a matter of time untill you get picked on to. ( maybe someone needs to tell that idot that you could teach a monkey to drift a car in the wet, and talk shit about it ) ( well ok, not the talking part ) Some people just don't get it about some cars ( the NSX being one of them ) and they never will

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Nj_Aqx65s&feature=related
 
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you got to understand that NSX is not for the most :wink: ... it's like a high grade wine... only the trainned mouths will taste it...

This TV shows are a bit of brand whores.... they bash whatever car that trys to scratch the top brands supremacy, wether it's on performance or luxury...
 
you got to understand that NSX is not for the most :wink: ... it's like a high grade wine... only the trainned mouths will taste it...

This TV shows are a bit of brand whores.... they bash whatever car that trys to scratch the top brands supremacy, wether it's on performance or luxury...




and like lazynok said ""At least he agreed the car functioned well ""
Maybe some of it is for tv ratings too.


Perfect signature for someone ( I love it )

"" it's like a high grade wine... only the trainned mouths will taste it...""
 
Had it been a Ferrari NSX, Clarkson would have said it was the finest sports car ever built. According to Clarkson, if it's not built in the land of the Euro it must be crap! This coming from a man that bought a Ford GT. F'n hypocrit.
 
But you got to agree that he is comic.... perhaps he is in the wrong job :tongue:

i like to see both the topgear and fifth gear... but i got to filter the commercial and biased opinions...

the Evo magazine on the other hand :rolleyes:



Had it been a Ferrari NSX, Clarkson would have said it was the finest sports car ever built. According to Clarkson, if it's not built in the land of the Euro it must be crap! This coming from a man that bought a Ford GT. F'n hypocrit.
 
I can't believe I'm defending them... but they aren't crapping on EVERYTHING!
They LIKED the civic Type R.
All they said about the NSX was that Honda hadn't changed ANYTHING meaningful on the car in 13 years, and that they were screwing around with goofy stuff like the shift boot instead of real changes. Were they wrong?

He says the results were "amazing" , it handles "beautifully" and grips like "nothing else". Then he questioned if those changes would be enough to make people take notice. And his answer was no.
Well guess what... HE WAS RIGHT! Sales never improved after the type R came out. In fact, production STOPPED.

Then he told Honda to "move on, build something else". Isn't that what we've all been praying for?

Lol... What's the big fuss about this video?
 
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I can't believe I'm defending them... but they aren't crapping on EVERYTHING!
They LIKED the civic Type R.
All they said about the NSX was that Honda hadn't changed ANYTHING meaningful on the car in 13 years, and that they were screwing around with goofy stuff like the shift boot instead of real changes. Were they wrong?

He says the results were "amazing" , it handles "beautifully" and grips like "nothing else". Then he questioned if those changes would be enough to make people take notice. And his answer was no.
Well guess what... HE WAS RIGHT! Sales never improved after the type R came out. In fact, production STOPPED.

Then he told Honda to "move on, build something else". Isn't that what we've all been praying for?

Lol... What's the big fuss about this video?

I had to agree with you on this. The Hamster never really bashes the NSX's ability on the road/track. What he was questioning is WHY Honda never created another whole new platform (step away from the NSX, and built something else). I do not see anything wrong with that comment. If something is nice enough, let's leave it for 15 years??? Sadly, that doesn't work in the auto-world.

In another video with Jeremy driving the NSX around Leguna Seca, I didn't heard any negative comment from him...I think he adores it...

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=-6H9mYUX5yw
 
it's like a high grade wine... only the trainned mouths will taste it...

Enough said. ok i lied here's mine again,

The car they made almost 20 years ago handles and respones to input, as any car to date. IMO there is no car to redesign, there is only a car to tune, which is exactly what spoon is doing right now. (more power, sup, brakes ex.
 
Had it been a Ferrari NSX, Clarkson would have said it was the finest sports car ever built. According to Clarkson, if it's not built in the land of the Euro it must be crap! This coming from a man that bought a Ford GT. F'n hypocrit.

Well.... technically isn't the only ford in the GT is the longblock and badge? I mean it's got a Lysholm supercharger, brembo brakes, originally designed by Lola in England with the help of a former aston martin engineer, prototype chasis even built in england. Orignal Colotti transaxle built in Italy, and current 6 speed built by Ricardo is made in the UK. Not sure, but I hear Lotus designed the suspension....

So currently and historically, I'm thinking the Ford GT is more British than anything else.
 
justice...

the Evo magazine on the other hand :rolleyes:
You gotta get the January 2003 issue of EVO... the '02+ NSX-R was their Car-of-the-Year! ;)

http://rednsx.org/articles/evo200301.html

Excerpts from the Evo Car of the Year article from the Jan, 2003 issue, about the Honda NSX-R.

Honda NSX-R

'This is the rawest, most focussed NSX. The improved power to weight ratio is immediately obvious. The 0-60 time tumbles to 4.4sec and there's a newfound urgency to the power delivery. The howl as the V6 closes in on the red line is just intoxicating'

One more stop for fuel, then the final dash to the beach. I'm quite happy to stay in the Lotus, but then Dickie flashes the cool sliver of titanium that is the key to the NSX, and seconds later I'm wedging my once snakelike hips into its deep-sided race-style Recaros. No time to dwell on the details -- just get comfy, turn the key and go. But boy, what a fierce noise, and what a direct, mechanical-feeling gearchange, and whoa! what heavy steering, and I haven't even left the station forecourt yet.

It's very quickly clear that this is what Hilary Briss would call 'special stuff'. A regular NSX is a great thing, but this, as they say, is hardcore. You're suddenly very aware you've strapped yourself into a machine. The ride's stiff, the unassisted steering requires big inputs from the forearms, at least until you're up to speed, and the power delivery is inspirational. You just can't believe this is the same output as the Nissan, and the way it builds and builds while all the time the engine note swells, flattens and eventually lets rip with a full-blooded howl is quite intoxicating. All too soon we've reached the photo location, but I promise myself a real, long drive in the NSX tomorrow. I believe we have another serious contender.

Compromise, not a word that features in the NSX-R's job description. A quick glance at the spec sheet shows just how seriously Honda's engineers took this project. New vents and a rear diffuser help promote downforce. The weight loss programme included new carbon-fibre panels and spoilers, lighter wheels, and binning just about everything that didn't impact on the driving experience, including the stereo, the central locking and the underseal. The net result was to trim 140 kilos from the kerb weight, now 1270kg. Pretty significant when your horsepower is topped at 276bhp (though some Japanese horses feel friskier than others...).

To wring the most from the 3.2-litre quad-cam V6, the engineers opted for high-precision balancing of not only the pistons and conrods but also the crankshaft assembly, all the better to help it rev. There's a drive-by-wire throttle, and a lower final drive ratio, both designed to sharpen response. Chassis changes include stiffer springs and dampers, harder bushes, stiffer anti-roll bars, grooved and vented discs with a new pad specification, and bespoke asymmetric Bidgestone Potenzas, 215/40 front, 255/40 rear, on 17in BBS alloys.

Inside you get carbonfibre-bodied Recaros that clamp you in place yet still feel comfortable after an hour's driving, a smaller Momo wheel than the standard car's, and a tianium ball on the stubbiest gearstick you've ever seen, so small it only just pokes out of the nylon mesh gaiter. Guide it with precision and a firm hand, and it's one of the most rewarding shifts you've ever experienced.

Sort of sums up what the NSX-R is all about. It's not an easy car -- the suspension feels rigid at low speeds, the steering heavy -- but the faster you go, the more it flows and the more it communicates. There's a constant stream of messages coming through the wheel as the tyres turn, grip, slither, patter, grip again... Of all the cars here, only the Elise comes close. The same directness is there in the throttle response, and there's a real touch of savagery to the way the engine pulls now, getting an extra kick at 4000rpm and then sustaining the rush all the way to 8000rpm. By which time the V6's urgent voice has compressed from nape-prickling how to teeth-tingling blare. I have a terrific drive in late-afternoon. We're moving camp tonight, pitching up a the Groes Inn, near Conwy, and I chase the Elise all the way from Anglesey circuit down into Snowdonia. I would be feeling even better were it not for the fact that Vivian in the Cooper S is all over my natty carbonfibre wing. Obviously I will tell him that the Elise was holding me up.

As with the Lotus, the thrills in the NSX come not from sheer speed but from the two-way relationship between car and driver, and working at it. It's not the fastest car here -- though it feels a good chunk quicker than the standard NSX -- but no other is quite so alive with sensations.

Far and away the greatest driver's cars of 2002 are the C4S and the NSX-R. Many of us spent ages agonising over scoring the two cars, and in the end there was just 0.6 of a percentage point in it. Simple fact: the purest driver's car won.

'The irony,' say Vivian, 'is that the NSX started life as the most contrived, compromised supercar -- for all the right reasons -- and it's been turned into the hardest, purest, most involving there is.'

Barker, like many of us, was initially suspicious of the ultra-stiff suspension, the tyres like hand-cut slicks and the heavy, apparently slow-acting steering, but like all of us he found that once up to speed, it all worked quite beautifully.

'Once you're into it, cracking along, there's a wonderful feedback and workable progression. It even works in the wet. Honda R&D have worked some magic here.' And the NSX's brakes are stupendous -- an absolute model of feel, progression and power. As Jethro puts it, the NSX-R is everything we look for in a car.

'It doesn't pamper you, doesn't do anything for you,' adds Fraser. 'It's a car you have to drive. And you get out what you put in, which can only be a good thing.'

'The noise,' says Meaden, 'is a no-nonsense, busy kind of sound -- how a racecar sounds if you drive one around the paddock without your crash helmet on. The gearshift is similarly hard-edged, that palm-filling allow knob nibbles its way around the gate with an instinctive, wristy precision. And then you drive it, and the whole thing feels so at one, so absorbing you just want to keep going until you meet the horizon. It feels fast too, not bruisingly rapid in the Maranello or SL55 sense -- it's too lithe and efficient to need such unsettling thump -- but aggressive, needle-sharp and just as quick as it needs to be.'

The ride is terrible over short sharp bumps: rumble strips jiggle bits of you which you'd rather they didn't. But the last word goes to Hayman, who drove it up to Wales: 'I shouldn't really like the NSX,' he says. 'I sat in it for six hours on my way up here -- including motorways, traffic jams, no sound deadening and no radio. It was intense but it was, and is, utterly superb. Anyone who's still not sure what we're talking about when we bang on about evoness should just drive this car.'

It is the only supercar that could look remotely cool in white. It is this year's blockbuster, the Lord of the Wings. And best news of all, it looks likely that Honda will bring a limited number to the UK in 2003. So now you know what we'd all like next Christmas.

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[B]THE RESULTS[/B]
1st	Honda NSX-R			93.5
2nd	Porsche 911 C4S			92.9
3rd	Ferrari 575M 'Fiorano'		88.6
4th	Mercedes SL55 AMG		86.9
5th	Lotus Elise 111S                85.1
6th	Mini Cooper S			84.9
7th	Mitsubishi Evo VII FQ-300	82.7
8th	Nissan 350Z			81.8
9th	Renault Sport Clio Cup		81.3
10th	Jaguar XKR-R			79.7
11th	Subaru Impreza STi PPP		78.4
12th	Ford Focus RS			76.0

Track Attack!

All of which leaves the NSX-R and C4S. The Porsche's balance, traction and poise are sublime (although it can understeer in the wet), the brakes firm and tireless. For such a well-judged, road-biased car it makes a great track car. But even the C4S bows to the NSX-R, as Barker explains.

'Even in the wet you can work the NSX-R hard. The front scrubs wide first, as it should, and if you then squeeze a bit more power in, the tail arcs out gently, and is easily caught and gathered up again. You don't expect this sort of poise with such a stiff, mid-engined car on such dry-weather-biased rubber. In the dry, it's simply stunning. It's so easy to drive it over the limit yet feel you're not over-driving it. There's so much grip, so much progression, so little feeling that there's a weighty mid-mounted engine trying to dictate proceedings. You rarely want for any more power, a sure sign that it's a superbly well-judged dynamic package.'

Honda v Zonda

Fabulous the NSX-R may be, but how would it compare with last year's eCOTY winner, the Pagani Zonda C12S? Let's find out

Heads swivel so fast as our two-car convoy rumbles by that I'm sure if we retraced the route we'd find a dozen or so people clutching their necks. And that young lad at the last T-junction would surely be brushing gravel from his dropped jaw.

This is the one and only Honda NSX-R in the UK, which makes it rarer than the Pagani Zonda C12S it's pursuing, but there's no question that the epicentre of the shockwave is the Zonda. A couple of weeks earlier few people apart from you, dear evo reader would have been able to positively identify the dramatic silver wedge snuffling along these Northamptonshire roads, but the rest of the world is catching on. An appearance on Top Gear TV, with Jezza clearly wowed by its ability, has put the name of last year's evo Car of the Year on the lips of a much broader audience.

'Zonda' will now be on many more lottery wish lists, though at £300,000 it'll be on considerably fewer shopping lists. At £64,000, the NSX-R is hardly a snip, but for a fifth of the price of the Pagani it offers the same thing -- one of the most incrdible mid-engined -- driving experiences in the world. Which is why we felt compelled to bring these two eCOTY champions together, drive them back-to-back, and find out which of them offers the most evoness.

The Zonda won't be five times better than the Honda, of course, in just the same way that the Honda isn't three times better than, say, an MR2. It's the law of diminishing returns. Beyond a certain price the tangible improvement in sound quality of a hi-fi is no longer proportional to the amount you pay, though the quality of the engineering that goes into it, the sound that comes out, the volume it can achieve, and its exclusiveness, do increase.

On paper, the Zonda is twice the car the Honda is -- double the number of cylinders, exactly double the horsepower and twice the power-to-weight ratio. The latter is a clue to where some of the money has been spent, for the Zonda's 1270kg kerb weight is virtually identical to that of the largely aluminium-built and physically smaller Honda's. Carbonfibre is the key and, although it isn't cheap, when it's used extensively the benefits are spectacular. And nosing around the Zonda's nooks and crannies reveals that the finish everywhere is to the same fabulous standard.

The NSX-R offers stunning performance -- 0-60 in around 4.4sec, almost 170mph flat-out -- but the Zonda is on another plane, hitting the benchmark in well under four seconds and topping 200mph. Still, on the road there's only so much performance you can use. That's why the NSX-R is looming large in my mirrors as I thread the Zonda along the bumpy, twisty B-roads close to evo HQ. It feels very broad of beam, quite heavy too, yet whatever the revs, in the lower gears the response from the 7-litre Merc V12 is instant and massive.

If you press hard, it's savage. When the shortest of straights opens up, the Zonda is gone, slammed forward with a frankly terrifying force and a guttural howl that's seething with malicious intent. Don't ever wind down the windows and fire the Zonda into a tunnel hard in second gear (like I did) -- the noise will scare you silly.

Traction control is a recent addition to the standard spec of the Zonda, and at times it's pretty busy on these roads. It would be even busier if the ride was as uncompromisingly stiff as the NSX-R's but the Zonda's suppleness is one of the first things you notice. It doesn't come at the expense of superb wheel control and sharp, feelsome steering, which must be a reflection of the solidity of the carbon platform.

Not surprisingly, the cockpit of the Honda looks pretty ordinary straight after the riot of shapes and materials under the Zonda's fighter jet-style canopy roof. The NSX-R feels great, though; the seats are among the best of any road car I've tried and the gearshift unequivocally the best of any mid-engined I've ever driven. Once you're up to speed, it's steering is outstanding, too, as are the brakes. In short, wherever car and driver interface, the NSX is inspired. Except for the ride, which around town is as resilient as the Zonda's is compliant, but town is the last place you'd go if you owned an NSX-R.

Even after the C12S the Honda feels exciting, which is quite an achievement. Of course it's not as sensationally accelerative but the whole car has a balance, a cohesion that makes it a totally absorbing and thrilling drive. Because it's smaller and feels lighter, you can use more of its ability more of the time, and as we descovered on eCOTY, it's sensational on a track. The Zonda's handy but not as joyously exploitable on a circuit. For sheer usable evoness, the Honda wins.

But if you should win the Lottery, there's no reason why you should feel the need to justify having both a C12S and an NSX-R in your garage. They are, after all, the finest mid-engined cars in production.

Caption: Zonda meets Honda; 555bhp 7.3-litre V12 plays 276bhp 3.2-litre V6. On paper it's an unequal contest, but on the road they're closer than you'd think. Both cars provide moments of total exhilleration.
 
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I had to agree with you on this. The Hamster never really bashes the NSX's ability on the road/track. What he was questioning is WHY Honda never created another whole new platform (step away from the NSX, and built something else). I do not see anything wrong with that comment. If something is nice enough, let's leave it for 15 years??? Sadly, that doesn't work in the auto-world.

In another video with Jeremy driving the NSX around Leguna Seca, I didn't heard any negative comment from him...I think he adores it...

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=-6H9mYUX5yw

I agree. No NSX bashing here, just the painful truth for the most part. I don't think they would have said such things if they didn't love the car; I know Clarkson adores the NSX for a fact.
 
Dont know about you guys but i sure as hell wouldnt be buying a NEW NSX-R if it was available now.

Way too many better options out there for the money. IMO

I saw nothing wrong with that review.
 
I agree. No NSX bashing here, just the painful truth for the most part. I don't think they would have said such things if they didn't love the car; I know Clarkson adores the NSX for a fact.

Yeah he does. I've heard him mention it positively on more than one occasion.

I honestly don't get hamster on that one as he is apparently having to contain himself on more than one occasion and completely contradicted himself by saying "The results have to be said are amazing. It handles beautifully and grips like nothing else"

I posted a thread on this last year. I was upset the first time I heard him however he's dead on and majority of posts on Prime prove him to be so.

He asks if the "NSX improvements were enough to make people stand up and take notice?" he's right they didn't. If Honda had sold the NSX-R here it would've sold as well as the Zanardi. Americans don't believe in calling something a track version unless it has more power.

Next he says "It costs $70 grand ( pounds not dollar so same price as a new NSX ) and no one is gonna pay that for a Honda" Again he's on point very few were willing to buy a new NSX and most here will tell you they felt better off getting one used.

Americans with the exception of the first two years of the NSX and S2000 have constantly told Honda that their sports cars aren't worth what they're asking for them.

He's also right in saying that "No matter how hard it tried it was never a Ferrari" Americans do believe Ferraris are worth more than what they're asking for them and that it's a better product. Selling price and 2-3 year wait lists show this to be a fact. Doesn't matter that the Honda is more durable or has better build quality that's not what people really wanted who buy things like this ( well maybe a few ).

He was being honest and forthright in saying Honda should step away from the NSX ( although it should have been discontinued in 95 w/o replacement ) but was wrong in telling Honda "to move on and build something else". They just don't have enough fan base to support it. Also their products don't have enough value to justify it.

Honda officially canceled the S2K yesterday and that's a very good thing. Sochiros dream was his and his alone. A few bought into it but only a certain price.

They need to stick to building what they build best Civics , Accords and other pedestrian vehicles of that sort at a price that people feel comfortable paying for and leave the big leagues to the big boys:wink:
 
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Yeah he does. I've heard him mention it positively on more than one occasion.

I honestly don't get hamster on that one as he is apparently having to contain himself on more than one occasion and completely contradicted himself by saying "The results have to be said are amazing. It handles beautifully and grips like nothing else"

I posted a thread on this last year. I was upset the first time I heard him however he's dead on and majority of posts on Prime prove him to be so.

He asks if the "NSX improvements were enough to make people stand up and take notice?" he's right they didn't. If Honda had sold the NSX-R here it would've sold as well as the Zanardi. Americans don't believe in calling something a track version unless it has more power.

Next he says "It costs $70 grand ( pounds not dollar so same price as a new NSX ) and no one is gonna pay that for a Honda" Again he's on point very few were willing to buy a new NSX and most here will tell you they felt better off getting one used.

Americans with the exception of the first two years of the NSX and S2000 have constantly told Honda that their sports cars aren't worth what they're asking for them.

He's also right in saying that "No matter how hard it tried it was never a Ferrari" Americans do believe Ferraris are worth more than what they're asking for them and that it's a better product. Selling price and 2-3 year wait lists show this to be a fact. Doesn't matter that the Honda is more durable or has better build quality that's not what people really wanted who buy things like this ( well maybe a few ).

He was being honest and forthright in saying Honda should step away from the NSX ( although it should have been discontinued in 95 w/o replacement ) but was wrong in telling Honda "to move on and build something else". They just don't have enough fan base to support it. Also their products don't have enough value to justify it.

Honda officially canceled the S2K yesterday and that's a very good thing. Sochiros dream was his and his alone. A few bought into it but only a certain price.

They need to stick to building what they build best Civics , Accords and other pedestrian vehicles of that sort at a price that people feel comfortable paying for and leave the big leagues to the big boys:wink:


Well said, we might like the NSX and the NSX-R, but I am not so sure Honda is behind the R spirit anymore.
 
The title of this thread should really be "Top Gear and NSXPrime come to same conclusion" based on the Hamster's review, and Jeremy's adulation. Fifth Gear likes the NSX as well, as they even did a tribute montage to it, though Tiff is a bit more reserved in complimenting anything but Porsche and BMW.
 
Top Gear does prove their point at the end when they put it on their test track and it did a 1:31 when the other "light weight" rivals (GT3, and M3 CSL) did a 1:27-1:28 in the same wet condition.
 
Don't take it personally folks - it's Clarkson's job to be biased and irrational. That's what's really great about the show is they all show bias based on different personal preferences and then have a go at each other. Personally if it were a completely unbiased (if there is such a thing) performance comparison I'd never watch the show - boring. Clarkson dislikes Porsche too because 'the engine is in the wrong place' :rolleyes:
 
The title of this thread should really be "Top Gear and NSXPrime come to same conclusion" based on the Hamster's review, and Jeremy's adulation. Fifth Gear likes the NSX as well, as they even did a tribute montage to it, though Tiff is a bit more reserved in complimenting anything but Porsche and BMW.

Tiff HATES the NSX. There's a video about him trying to show how terrible the NSX handles.
 
Sadly Top Gear (& the media in general!) are just out to make news, so I have long ago abandoned any hope of an objective view. Not that this stops me being pleased when they say nice things about my cars, and getting mad when they don't!

On the subject of the NSX, I have seen various TopGear clips over the years, and they seem to be inconsistent at best. They tend to praise it one time and denounce it as a false pretender to the supercar throne the next. Obviously we all know better!
 
Sadly Top Gear (& the media in general!) are just out to make news, so I have long ago abandoned any hope of an objective view. Not that this stops me being pleased when they say nice things about my cars, and getting mad when they don't!

On the subject of the NSX, I have seen various TopGear clips over the years, and they seem to be inconsistent at best. They tend to praise it one time and denounce it as a false pretender to the supercar throne the next. Obviously we all know better!

I disagree I do think Top Gear would give you the most un biased review of any car. Top Gear is shown on BBC which is not supported by advertisers so they will and do tell it like it is without having to worry about losing sponsors. This is why I dont think Top Gear USA will be as good.
 
I agree completely with Top Gear. It's true, they never give Honda much credit on the show, but he did say how wonderful the Civic Type-R was. New cars from Honda always get a pretty good review from Top Gear anyways.

What he was saying about the NSX is relatively true. After 13 years of production, to come out with a new Type-R version that's pretty much the same is ridiculous. Yes the NSX Type-R is amazing in every way, but all Honda did was fiddle around with it...

Of course if it had been a Ferrari, Jeremy would have said "they never changed anything because it was perfect from beginning"
 
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