To power steer or not to power steer ?

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Just wondering if there's any information you guys would wish to share regarding cars with electric power assistance in the later cars and the earlier cars without.

Based on some reading I've been doing it seems that maybe the earlier cars are better for feel and the later cars easier to live with.

Since my car is an earlier car anyhow and is going to be a race car I'm hoping that it's the best setup as I'll have nothing to do, but will add it in if you guys think it'll produce a better car....... any advice much appreciated.
 
No offense but why is this even up for debate. Non PS cars are known to give better feedback. The are awesome for spirited drives, and track use. Unfortunately they can be a bit frustrating while parking. You have a Non PS car and are planning of using it as a "Race Car" so you already have the ideal situation.:wink:
 
Thanks for the reply..........

Well it wasn't really up for debate as such, it was more a question of if the non PS car was indeed better for the purpose I intended.

What I'd posted was that I had read some "I think it's better" but no real facts to back up what was being said really just that it was what they thought not what they knew.

Couldn't really find any 100% clear posts from anyone so I just wanted to ask the question clearly that was all.

I'm not looking to waste anyones time, but also want to get make sure that I don't spend time building my car down one track only to find I should have ideally gone in another direction.
 
Leave it non power-steering and put a lighter aftermarket steering wheel on which will reduce steering effort.
 
do a search the "power" part is 0 after about 15-20 mph.You can also pull the eps fuse if you want to see how that feels.
 
Thanks for that guys.

The fuse is a good idea........ I don't know anyone with an EPS NSX to try, but my EP3 Type R has it so at least I'll get an idea of just how much assistance they're likely to use on the NSX, but it sounds like from what you guys are saying that I'm much better off just leaving it as it.........

Thanks again for the help.

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Thanks for that guys.

The fuse is a good idea........ I don't know anyone with an EPS NSX to try, but my EP3 Type R has it so at least I'll get an idea of just how much assistance they're likely to use on the NSX, but it sounds like from what you guys are saying that I'm much better off just leaving it as it.........

Thanks again for the help.

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it wont feel the same, your weight is in the front, nsx is in the rear
 
I understand it won't feel the same..........but I was hoping to get an idea of just what it feels like to have assistance and not have assistance from the EPS system as that will give me an idea of what they might have done with the NSX's also......... I know it's not perfect, but maybe it will give me an idea.

Suppose it doesn't really matter overall as it seems pretty clear in my situation I should steer clear of it pardon the pun !

Thanks for all the feedback guys, it is appreciated.
 
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IMO, you have the ideal set-up as it is without power steering. I have driven both and the manual rack gives much better feedback. The power steering feels artificially light but it may keep you from becoming fatigued during longer track sessions.

Keep it manual.
 
I understand it won't feel the same..........but I was hoping to get an idea of just what it feels like to have assistance and not have assistance from the EPS system as that will give me an idea of what they might have done with the NSX's also......... I know it's not perfect, but maybe it will give me an idea.

Suppose it doesn't really matter overall as it seems pretty clear in my situation I should steer clear of it pardon the pun !

Thanks for all the feedback guys, it is appreciated.

If there is any part of the later model NSX's that felt like an "after-thought" i would have to say the EPS is it (the headlights second, but that's another story).

EPS feels not only muted, but has more slack than some of the other cars with power steering that I have drove like the S2k and FD.
 
Thanks, I think I'll take yours and other peoples advice and stick with non EPS. I didn't really want to add it anyhow as money will be better spent elsewhere, but just wanted to be sure it was the right way to go before getting too deep into it.

Most of the cars events will be short club level events, but then also booked into do this event in 2011 so might feel it then as it's 5 days..... but will just have to bulk up :)

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Thanks again to all.
 
I was hoping to get an idea of just what it feels like to have assistance and not have assistance from the EPS system as that will give me an idea of what they might have done with the NSX's also......... I know it's not perfect, but maybe it will give me an idea.

As a matter of preference, I intentionally retained the factory EPS in my race car. I am familiar with the feel both with the system engaged and dis-engaged. I've also driven my share of manual racks. The only notable difference for the driver on session is the degree of physical effort required by the driver to physically turn the wheel.

As to the argument that the system is dis-engaged at speed and only intended for parking, that is false. The motor has three operating modes- normal control, return control, and damper control. You can read the service manual for a full description of how the system actually operates and what the design goals were.

As to the familiar argument that the steering feel is some-how better with a manual over an electric... my best guess is that many people are picking up on other setup differences because cars. The EPS rack is really just a direct connected manual rack (tie rods, pinion, etc...) except with the additional steering sensor/motor/ecu to provide the power assist thrust. The ratio specification is 20.8 (18.2-20.8) (Manual variable) and 18.6 (Power steering) so everything else being equal it's minimal. My opinion is that if you want it, it is actually a very well designed system- and you probably couldn't add a nicer one aftermarket for less than the cost of the car.


Thanks, I think I'll take yours and other peoples advice and stick with non EPS. I didn't really want to add it anyhow as money will be better spent elsewhere, but just wanted to be sure it was the right way to go before getting too deep into it.

If you already had it, and had already reached minimum weight, then I would suggest you consider retaining it. If you don't I certainly wouldn't pay nor take-on the complexity to add it back-in.

The reality is that their are advantages/disadvantages to both and it's not a black and white discussion. The manual rack is simpler with less to break. It's certainly a lot cheaper. It weighs less which would be an advantage in qualifying trim or where you don't have a class minimum weight. On the other hand, in most classes the NSX easily achieves minimum weight in most cases. The more front tire, the longer the stint, the greater the value with the electric rack. It can arguably lead to more consistent results for drivers over a long period such as in an Enduro context. Remember, anything you can do to aid driver is always more important than some infinitesimal weight improvement in many instances.


Most of the cars events will be short club level events, but then also booked into do this event in 2011 so might feel it then as it's 5 days..... but will just have to bulk up :)

Sounds like you have plenty of time then. I heard a tale that the pro guys apparently pick-up a pair of 5 lb weights and sit around and pretend to steer all day? :biggrin:

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