The Official 2015 F1 thread
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Stupid summer break. At least Belgium and Italy are the reward for waiting.
exactly look what happens on break....^^^^^^
True.
Also, we just had MotoGP's Indianapolis GP this past weekend. Made the summer break shorter.
Is he still driving?
I am laughing at this but hoping at the same time he's not full of bs. http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120337
McHonda look even worst after summer break.What disaster.
For sure. Alonso has a 30 grid place penalty and Button 25 grid places. At the rate they are going, they will be be starting races 5 laps down.
It is starting to feel embarassingly stupid. From the F1 program, to NSX2 to the silly commercials we see here in southern California, Honda is losing some of its credibility. What kind of a project leader would trumpet the great improvements (enough to match Ferrari he said) without putting the changes to at least a full session test? Starting to look like desperation! Many F1 technos say the MP4-30 could aerodynamically easily challenge the front runners, had it been powered by just about any other of this year's powerplants. I wonder how long is McL's patience....
With the númber of Grid penalties that McLHonda have accumulated, they will be starting at the back of the grid at every race until the end of the 2015 season....what the he'll is going on with that Team..it is to bad.
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Stupid Perellis.
Right, stupid but also lucky! They could be standing accused of one, possibly two major accidents had the tires delaminated a few yards earlier. BTW, it is a little known fact that all Pirelli F1 tires are manufactured in Izmit, Turkey!
Let's not be too quick to judge Pirelli. Remember it was the FIA that wanted tires that would degrade faster for competition reasons, and they (Pirelli) spoke out about how long a tire could go without issues and nobody wanted to hear about it. The teams are also playing with pressures and pushing the envelope with areo putting more and more stress on the tires. Seems to me Ferrari are just as complicit in this. The Merc issue is just a fluke IMHO. Sometimes race tires go bang!
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and Ferrari pushed that last set a long way...
"Exploded" after 28 Laps! Pirelli had always said the tires would last 40. The problem seems to be the rapid transition from delamination to explosion. It is almost simultaneous and no other tires have behaved that way in the past. And its been a weak point since 2013. Remember Silverstone 2013? The FIA and the Teams are always reluctant to criticize a "single" tire supplier since there are less than what you can count on one hand who would are capable of doing the job.
Well they (Pirelli) didn't exactly say that. Here is an excerpt of an article (Autosport) in ref: to this.
Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery later suggested he was "surprised" at Ferrari's strategy of running a one-stop plan, with Vettel switching from soft to medium-compound rubber on lap 14 of 43.
Although the team was given an indication wear life would be 40 laps, Hembery claimed that was no guarantee as the circumstances of a race play a significant part.
Pirelli has now issued a statement arguing if it had been listened to in 2013 then its brush with the headlines would not have happened.
The statement read: "Regarding what happened at the Belgian Grand Prix, Pirelli underlines that: In November 2013, Pirelli requested there should be rules to govern the maximum number of laps that can be driven on the same set of tyres, among other parameters to do with correct tyre usage.
"This request was not accepted.
"The proposal put forward a maximum distance equivalent to 50 per cent of the grand prix distance for the prime tyre and 30 per cent for the option.
"These conditions, if applied at Spa, would have limited the maximum number of laps on the medium compound to 22."
It was a point noted by Hembery post-race in the paddock when asked as to whether a tyre should only be allowed to run for a maximum number of laps.
Hembery said: "We discussed that a few years ago when obviously we were a little more aggressive and people were pushing out stints to try and reduce the number of stops.
"It's very hard to enforce because you take away maybe the impact of the engineering aspect to the car where somebody might be able to engineer the car to a point where they can reduce the number of pitstops, and at that time it wasn't feasible to actually introduce it.
"Now, maybe we can go back to the advice levels, and say no more than 'x' amount of laps on a certain tyre."
I really wish they would bring back another manufacture to compete with.
Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery later suggested he was "surprised" at Ferrari's strategy of running a one-stop plan, with Vettel switching from soft to medium-compound rubber on lap 14 of 43.
Although the team was given an indication wear life would be 40 laps, Hembery claimed that was no guarantee as the circumstances of a race play a significant part.
Pirelli has now issued a statement arguing if it had been listened to in 2013 then its brush with the headlines would not have happened.
The statement read: "Regarding what happened at the Belgian Grand Prix, Pirelli underlines that: In November 2013, Pirelli requested there should be rules to govern the maximum number of laps that can be driven on the same set of tyres, among other parameters to do with correct tyre usage.
"This request was not accepted.
"The proposal put forward a maximum distance equivalent to 50 per cent of the grand prix distance for the prime tyre and 30 per cent for the option.
"These conditions, if applied at Spa, would have limited the maximum number of laps on the medium compound to 22."
It was a point noted by Hembery post-race in the paddock when asked as to whether a tyre should only be allowed to run for a maximum number of laps.
Hembery said: "We discussed that a few years ago when obviously we were a little more aggressive and people were pushing out stints to try and reduce the number of stops.
"It's very hard to enforce because you take away maybe the impact of the engineering aspect to the car where somebody might be able to engineer the car to a point where they can reduce the number of pitstops, and at that time it wasn't feasible to actually introduce it.
"Now, maybe we can go back to the advice levels, and say no more than 'x' amount of laps on a certain tyre."
I really wish they would bring back another manufacture to compete with.
fastaussie
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what Blackhorse said.
additionally, the other major factor was the excessive heat, which was well into triple digits i believe. more than expected/predicted, and more than the tires were likely engineered for, especially during an extended run on a circuit which would not normally see those type of high temperatures. Ferrari was definitely pushing their luck for that last spot on the podium, understandably. and nothing breaks down a tire (or brakes, engines, etc.) like excessive heat...
additionally, the other major factor was the excessive heat, which was well into triple digits i believe. more than expected/predicted, and more than the tires were likely engineered for, especially during an extended run on a circuit which would not normally see those type of high temperatures. Ferrari was definitely pushing their luck for that last spot on the podium, understandably. and nothing breaks down a tire (or brakes, engines, etc.) like excessive heat...
Even if Ferrari had fitted tires used in Hungary and gone for no stops I'd still blame Pirelli. Or Michelin!
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Haha!
Ferrari qualified 2 and 3. Rossberg always the bridesmaid.
Ferrari qualified 2 and 3. Rossberg always the bridesmaid.
In the end it did not seem to matter, if Rosberg's engine had not gone kaput it would have been yet another Merc 1-2.
That start by Kimi was atrocious, I read somewhere that his car had clutch setting problems while sitting on the grid.
Final decision was nothing changes.
