The Last Samarai

Joined
6 September 2002
Messages
4,239
Location
Northern VA
Gents,
I have to admit something, I breifly cried at the movie the other day toward the ending--wooohoo, I am cured :D The best movie I've seen in awhile..........Tears rollin'**
 
PoohBEAR, agreed that was one of the best movies I've seen this year. That guy who was the bad guy in Ghost is a great bad guy here also. (sorry I don't know his name)
 
I enjoyed this movie immensely. The actors portraying the samurai definitely stole the show from Cruise. This is by far one of the best movies I have seen this year.
 
I totally loved it. Thought it was the best I have seen this year. I was annoyed at the ending though. They could have one if they were not stupid.
 
I liked it until the end of the final battle...then had problems with it from that point on.

Definitely dug the ninjas!
 
Here is the question of the day:

When charging towards your enemy, who has cannons and gatling guns aimed in the middle of the battlefield. Do you:

a) Break into two groups of horses and men, split left and right and go around to kill them from the sides. Thus, avoiding their heavy weapons.

OR

b) Go right in the middle of the field and directly into the aim of their high powered weapons.

Seems like simple answer to me.
 
I thought it was a good movie. I enjoyed it. I did find it to be predictable and i suspect not very historically accurate, but it was entertaining and I'll buy the DVD when it comes out.
 
NetViper, or what are the odds out of all those men dying around them those two would be left standing in the end?
 
So Tom Cruise isn't the center of attention? I might like this film...


I'm hanging out for this film... :D :D :D
<B>THE -ONE- SAMUARI</B> :D

<IMG SRC="http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=153850">
 
Please adjust the size of her chest:D to match the look.

NeoNSX said:
So Tom Cruise isn't the center of attention? I might like this film...


I'm hanging out for this film... :D :D :D
<B>THE -ONE- SAMUARI</B> :D

<IMG SRC="http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=153850">
 
I loved the movie. Already saw it twice. Yeah i there were some dull moments during the movie. but yeah my friends and i consider it the mens version of Titanic.. sniff sniff
 
I loved the movie. Already saw it twice. Yeah i there were some dull moments during the movie. but yeah my friends and i consider it the mens version of Titanic.. sniff sniff:D
 
good movie, ending bad. Tom you should'a died too, buddy! Become a samurai but renege on the seppuku part, slacker.
Ken watanabe the rouge samurai leader came back from leukemia to become a oscar nominated supporting actor! good for him! Koyuki, the love interest...........yummmmmmmmmm but killing my husband then falling in love with the perpetrator, dunno after a couple of months i'd be doing that!
 
I liked it. The fight scences, the character development, plot, and cinematography were all wonderful. Ok, the ending left something to be desired. They were intelligent enough to use the Army's tactics against them but went head-on into a few gattling guns. Still, I could stomach that enough to call it the best movie I've seen this year.

<== hasn't seen Return of the King yet.;)
 
Just saw "The Last Samurai" last night. Even though it's a shorter film than "Return of the King", it felt longer to me. They are completely different movies though; which one you will like more depends on whether you are more of a sci-fi/fantasy fan or the action/drama type. I would have to give the nod to "LOTR" personally, but I enjoyed both nonetheless.

Some people described "Samurai" as a tear jerker (and I could hear the sniffles in the theater), but "Return of the King" got to me more. I guess I'm not one to get too worked up up about pointlessly rushing into ceartain death situations, seems less than logical--but that's just me. YMMV.
 
This movie is based on the ideals of "bushido," or "the way of the warrior." For those unfamiliar with this concept, it is a belief system emphasizing on loyalty, self sacrifice, justice, sense of shame, refined manners, humility, modesty, martial spirit, honor, etc. Bushido created a way of life that nourished Japan through its most uncertain times, through civil wars, despair and poverty. Thus for me, it is clear why the samurai charged into battle.

**spoiler warning**

The samurai group wanted to show the emperor that samurai values and traditionalism still had a place in Japan, and how it should not give into westernization. The ideals of bushido were so important to the samurai that they were willing charge into certain death. Some may consider this senseless b/c in western societies there's no such equivalent belief, the closest thing might be the chivary of knights, but even that is only mildly correlated with bushido.

In short, they were not fighting "a war," but rather to show how traditional Japanese values can still triumph in Japan without having Westerners manipulating their beliefs and values. So rethink what Cruise said at the end, "I will tell you how he lived." The samurai lived for the way of busido, their values, their principles, and not glory, materials or life itself. Lastly, Watanabe's character was the emperor's teacher throughout the movie, and with his death, and in which the way he died, he gave the emperor one last life lesson.
 
fangtl said:
This movie is based on the ideals of "bushido," or "the way of the warrior." For those unfamiliar with this concept, it is a belief system emphasizing on loyalty, self sacrifice, justice, sense of shame, refined manners, humility, modesty, martial spirit, honor, etc. For me, it is clear why they charged into battle.

**spoiler warning**

The samurai group wanted to show the emperor that samurai values and traditionalism still has a place in Japan, and how it should not give into westernization. The ideals of bushido were so important to the samurai that they were willing charge into certain death. Some may consider this senseless b/c in western societies there's no such equivalent belief, the closest thing might be the chivary of knights, but even that is only mildly correlated with bushido.

In short, they were not fighting "a war," but rather to show how traditional Japanese values can still triumph in Japan without having Westerners manipulating their beliefs and values. So rethink what Cruise said at the end, "I will tell you how he lived." The samurai lived for the way of busido, their values, their principles, and not glory, materials or life itself. Lastly, Watanabe's character was the emperor's teacher throughout the movie, and with his death, and in which the way he died, he gave the emperor one last life lesson.

good point but you also left out that the samurai's were F'ing bastards as well. Bunch of Prideful arrogant bastards that would kill peasants at whim if they didn't like the way they bowed or showed respect to them. lol they took most of the food produced by the farmers and money from the merchants. Also the samurai, well atleast the daimyos before the meiji period always were fighting and backstabing to get more power, more land and higher positions... yada yada yada like I said in acuality the samurai were considered the bad guys by many historians. there was a quote from a book i read that said "jappos have seven faces and forked tongues..." ;)
just thought i'd add that...
 
Shoot, the samurai lived in an age of imperialism so what do you expect? :p

Seriously, individualistic acts do not account for actions of principle. For example, most soliders who fought in Vietnam were honorable, but some of them also did rape, slaughter, and torture the innocent. For me, the movie speaks of the "idealism" behind bushido. Just like how lots of western war movies speaks of the ideals behind "freedom." How histortically accurate these movies are is another matter for consideration.
 
fangtl said:
For me, the movie speaks of the "idealism" behind bushido.
I suppose in that sense the movie does accomplish its purpose. Apparently the intent of the movie is unclear to some of us unknowledgeable about the culture. ;) I was getting peeved at the Emporer; why didn't he step up when he had the chance? They should have done more plot development with his character, so we can understand why he was such a spineless weakling until the very end.
fangtl said:
How histortically accurate these movies are is another matter for consideration.
I recall reading about some despicable Samurai acts as well, such as using innocent peasants to test the sharpness of their blades. I guess knowing stuff like that made it difficult for me to be super sympathetic toward the samurai. Still, it was an enjoyable movie. BTW, did the whole samurai concept make anyone think about Klingons? :D:D
The samurai group wanted to show the emperor that samurai values and traditionalism still had a place in Japan, and how it should not give into westernization.

See, what it showed me was that if you don't modernize your armies, you're going to get your ass kicked in battle. :D
 
Last edited:
it was a romantic STORY reflecting/recounting the end of an era, and because of bushido and giri (honour) Thomas should have died in the end! Taking in the samurai's cause but renegging on the last bit 'cos its a bit painful and results in death. Tom ya wuss! Still a great movie though.

That big battle with the gattling guns, was amazing because in Japan there is distinct lack of grass (not the smoking kind) outdoor activities are mostly played on dirt! As some the film was filmed in Okayama (where i live) i asked some of the other sensei where this location might be, they said they had no idea. Then i found out that part and others were filmed in New Zealand!
 
Back
Top