SynergyAutoworks vs evof575gtc

[Rogue MotorSports]

VANCE again not being involved but thinks he knows whats going on. If you are not part of mode4 how the hell do you know what happened?
And why do you keep saying that this company wont be around ? Just because they are not cool with the So Cal musketeers?
And how do YOU know if they are going to produce more products for the NSX or won't be able to ?

Exactly my point. The whole story is not being told by mode4 so who am i supposed to believe NRG or mode4, I gave them ample opportunity to contact me directly before i made this thread, yet they did not. We do have more NSX specific products coming out, those who have pm'd me know, but we are trying to keep it on the down low until testing is done.

 

[KSXNSX]

What I find unusual, for Prime anyway, is one vendor starting a vs. thread against another vendor as a way to promote the sale of their offer. Now, that is unusual and unprofessional for our community.

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102193

Actually, it all started with the above thread. Synergy started a thread selling the diffusers, several members came in saying it was a Mode4 product, and Evo demanded that they stop selling the product. Synergy created this thread to clarify what was ambiguous in the other thread.

 

[Mode4]

We concede that our initial reaction may have been excessive, and for that we extend our apologies to SynergyAutoworks as our argument was never with them. This isn't the first time that our vendor has attempted this, and that we had reacted purely out of frustration. As for the facts as we have stated them, they are indeed true and complete.

Mode4 began as a small group of enthusiastic NSX owners with the goal of making available what wasn’t readily so. At the time of the launch of the Mode4 NSX-R carbon fiber diffuser, NSX-R diffusers were virtually non-existent in the market. As a group, Mode4 decided to attempt to make these available to the community as our first effort. Risks were taken and money was invested by none of the other individuals/companies involved. As many should have deduced by now, the NSX market is a shrinking one. We gauged the salability of the product and while we could never be confident of being able to sell all of our inventory, we made a relatively large purchase in order to secure the mould and thus our investment. The only reason that these diffusers appear aplenty now and the market ripe with competition is because an unscrupulous vendor who has little to lose in terms of risk and cost had undermined an agreement that we had made with them.

Our pricing strategy has been questioned and our integrity its casualty. Among the considerations in pricing our diffuser was what the market was able to support at that time. We wanted to bring a median to product pricing and availability which meant having parts that were relatively affordable but not drastically cheapened such that it could hurt other supporting vendors. Mode4 was formed to be an alternative to the community and not to wither away whatever support we had from the few manufacturers and vendors that we had by undercutting their prices severely just to turn a buck. We also had plans to pursue R&D into other products to which whatever revenue earned would be reinvested. This is evident in the Mode4 Signature 02+ style bumper for pop-up headlights which has taken more than double the revenue generated thus far to develop. In the 18 months since the group of us decided to embark on this journey, not a single cent of revenue has been disbursed to any of our members. It was decided very early in this endeavor that all revenue would be put back into the development of more products for the community. Some may agree with this business model and others may not; however, our goal has been to bring parts to the NSX community not as a seller of parts but as fellow NSX owners bringing to market items that we as owners would like to have available.

We are not a distributor which would have multiple channels of distribution to move a large number of parts to cover our investment, and neither are we resellers who have the luxury of buying parts on a per-piece and/or drop-ship basis. We have large initial investments to provide parts to a small community. We faced a very real risk of not being able to sell all of the pieces and this was something that we had to take into consideration when pricing the parts. These concerns have now become undeniable and the reality of financial losses over this deal cannot be ignored. All this while others are able to make confident and comfortable profits on the fruits of our effort.

Mode4 is made up of members who are NSX owners first. We drive our NSXs like everyone else does. Our passion lies with the NSX, our ownership and the experience that we’ve come to enjoy.

This entire matter is very unfortunate, regrettable and quite exhausting; and as much as we had hoped to quietly move past this, the accusations made against us publicly made this dramatic episode inevitable.

We look forward to leaving this behind and enjoying our NSX ownership again. We do have other projects in the works and hope to introduce them to the community shortly.

We thank all who have supported us and wish SynergyAutoworks all the best in their endeavors.

 

[KSXNSX]

I commend Mode4/Evo for stepping up and clarifying things.

It's also really cool that you reinvested all profits into the next project. I think that says a lot about this group.

Glad that things are taking a step in the right direction (resolution). Hopefully, things will run smoothly for both companies in the future.

Peace to all.

 

[Zero-Cool]

At the time of the launch of the Mode4 NSX-R carbon fiber diffuser, NSX-R diffusers were virtually non-existent in the market.
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Yeah! DF$500, and Procar ($900)have them in carbon( true real CF) and a few other japanese company have in fiberclass for about $300. On the other hand ur piece are fiber classs with CF overlay bottom for $700 thats INSANE,


PS. Ur diffuser are not real carbon fiber they are fiber class with CF overlay. I think what u are doing is misleading Prime members for keep on saying it carbon fiber.

 

[Rogue MotorSports]

They lied to these kids from Synergy

Who are you to call us kids. You do not know us, as we do not know you, calling a 40 year old man, a kid is not the right thing to do.

The average age of the employees at our shop is 37 just an fyi.

The practice of liquidation by dumping these diffuser at below true cost/value is no more than their attempt to bring back cash flow so they can keep what ever little life line they have longer.

Again the true story, from the president of NRG. Mode 4 purchased this product for $150 each. There was absolutely no other cost to them. We paid $175 each, for those who do not understand numbers well, that means we paid more for them, and sold them for less.

What made this event even more intriguing is the fact that the Synergy boys totally bought the story NRG gave them and preaching to this community.

You are correct about us believing the story from NRG, I trust the word of a president from a multi million dollar corporation, over a NSX enthusiast that will not return my pm's, email's, or call me in person to discuss the matter.

Than again, youth can be the biggest enemy for beginning entrepreneurs; lack of retail experience and gullible mind can be easily manipulated.

Why would you think we are beginning entrepreneurs? Because we are just now stepping into the NSX market. We have plenty of experience as our shop has been open since 1999.

Grassroots motorsports, magazine shoot.

We were the sponsor and organizer of AtomFest 2007

We were invited to ITR expo 07

Our NSX, and our race NSX

a few of our vintage race cars. 1959 Cooper Bobtail race car, 1965 Cooper Jr, race car.

Our shop photo.
UK and US Arial Atom, NSX race car, Civic race car

our dyno

Current projects

Mini Cooper with K series engine swap.

Factory Five Racing 1965 Daytona Coupe kit car, with Supra 2JZ-GTE engine swap.

Our shop cars.
1993 Skyline GTS-T (legal), 2006 Infiniti G35, 2006 Porsche Caymen S, The Porsche will be replaced with a GTR when our order gets here in June.

 

[docjohn]

You guys painted RM's old race car white Looks better:biggrin:

 

[Rogue MotorSports]

We have large initial investments to provide parts to a small community. We faced a very real risk of not being able to sell all of the pieces and this was something that we had to take into consideration when pricing the parts. These concerns have now become undeniable and the reality of financial losses over this deal cannot be ignored. All this while others are able to make confident and comfortable profits on the fruits of our effort.

The price we are selling these for does not equate to confident and comfortable profits.

Do to your financial burdens, we would gladly purchase all of your remaining inventory at your purchase price.

We came on here to bring a Great product a a reasonable cost, we determined the old price was not reasonable so we brought a reasonable cost. Like any other business we are in business to make money, but also build relationships. Our name is more important, than any financial profit to us.

We concede that our initial reaction may have been excessive, and for that we extend our apologies to SynergyAutoworks as our argument was never with them.

Thank you. We apprciate that, and accept your apology.

 

[Rogue MotorSports]

You guys painted RM's old race car white Looks better:biggrin:

Its not painted its wrapped.

 

[baynsac]

WHO IS MODE4? who does it consists of?
ERICK,_______,__________,____________????

 

[Zishan]

SynergyAutoworks,

I think you've done more than enough to prove yourself here. I'm surprised you've put up with this much.

More power to you. I for one, am glad to see you here in the NSX community.

Now everyone, can we agree to disagree, and as a good gesture, move on to some deeply discounted sale of NSX parts!!! :biggrin:

 

[macready]

Synergy, you sound reputable to me.

 

[Oyagi]

Thanks for posting those pics Synergy, it really helps to put a proper perspective on things.

I hope whats happened in this and other threads don't discourage your organization from supporting our community.

I like your HCR32. We have quite a few of those up here in Canada.

 

[baynsac]

SynergyAutoworks don't worry about Vance, everyone knows he ALL FOR ONE ONE FOR ALL musketeers. He will argue even when he is wrong and loves to pass on false information. No one listens to him anyway...
As for your shop and you being a new vendor in the nsx community
WELCOME and Thanks for keeping your price's reasonable... IF I didn't pay $500 at Down Force I could of got 2 of these... Keep it coming....

Who are you to call us kids. You do not know us, as we do not know you, calling a 40 year old man, a kid is not the right thing to do.

The average age of the employees at our shop is 37 just an fyi.




Again the true story, from the president of NRG. Mode 4 purchased this product for $150 each. There was absolutely no other cost to them. We paid $175 each, for those who do not understand numbers well, that means we paid more for them, and sold them for less.



You are correct about us believing the story from NRG, I trust the word of a president from a multi million dollar corporation, over a NSX enthusiast that will not return my pm's, email's, or call me in person to discuss the matter.



Why would you think we are beginning entrepreneurs? Because we are just now stepping into the NSX market. We have plenty of experience as our shop has been open since 1999.

Grassroots motorsports, magazine shoot.

We were the sponsor and organizer of AtomFest 2007

We were invited to ITR expo 07

Our NSX, and our race NSX

a few of our vintage race cars. 1959 Cooper Bobtail race car, 1965 Cooper Jr, race car.

Our shop photo.
UK and US Arial Atom, NSX race car, Civic race car

our dyno

Current projects

Mini Cooper with K series engine swap.

Factory Five Racing 1965 Daytona Coupe kit car, with Supra 2JZ-GTE engine swap.

Our shop cars.
1993 Skyline GTS-T (legal), 2006 Infiniti G35, 2006 Porsche Caymen S, The Porsche will be replaced with a GTR when our order gets here in June.

 

[Ponyboy]

According to that GRM article, the motorsports experience of one member of Synergy in particular, goes way back and is more extensive than 99.9% of the peeps on this board.

Kinda cool.

 

[baynsac]

Who does MODE4 consist of?
I know its Erick but who else??
Any guesses???
I got $20 for the person who guess the right answer
Erick,_______,________,__________

 

[KooLaid]

Damn Vance, so much for intelligent guessing huh? lol

Damn, next time I'm in Texas, I gotta go visit yall! Shame I won't ever go back there though, lol. But if I did...... it's on! I bought my nsx from Houston I had the drive from Texas clear across the it to Colorado. Not excited about that drive even though our maiden voyage was our best drive ever :redface:

 

[whatisreal7]

I bought my car in Dallas (I used to live there), and drove it to LA. It was a fun drive, but long as well. I remember when i got to LA, I thought to myself, "shit, I have to drive back."

Yay, unless you know who the 4 members are, how do you plan on awarding $20 to the member who guesses it right? Lud decided against banning you? User the privilege wisely my friend, and hope you contribute positively to the community.

 

[vvs]

Man, reading this makes my head hurt.

Bottom line, manufacturers are just as cut throat as retailers in this market. Few manufacturers do what is needed to protect their distributors and protect their product so it's not whored up in some price war. This from a retailer perspective. As a consumer you would be happy to pay less.

 

[otoro]

The practice of liquidation by dumping these diffuser at below true cost/value is no more than their attempt to bring back cash flow so they can keep what ever little life line they have longer.

Vance,
Truly, there are no signs of a liquidation of the vendor trying to dump existing inventory. At $150-175 a piece for such a small, wet-lay, CF on fiberglass is fairly reasonable and slightly on the pricier end. Had Erick initially paid for the entire mold, then he would have all rights of ownership. A vendor passing the mold cost through promissory note of purchasing X amount, is equally justifiable and a standard norm in this industry.

From my point of view, and from personal experience in this industry - the only true cost incurred by Mode4 was the sourcing of the original diffuser used for replication. However, this part would've been returned upon completion of the mold anyways.

In light of this situation, why would anyone sign up with "Mode4" as a username, to specifically post in this thread, and write in a nature that is reminiscent of someone else?

I guess the premise of all this is someone trying to secure a 300% profit and nonchalantly attacking a new vendor with words like "delete your thread" and claims of having ownership rights to the mold.

What SynergyAutoworks says here, seems to hold true and plausible.

Erick went to NRG to get the diffuser replicated, while there a verbal contract was made. In order for NRG to profit, and the manufacture to profit a minimum of 80 pieces would have to be made. There is no upfront cost, no mold fees, no trademarks, nothing. The only thing he would pay for is the product once it is ready. NRG owns the rights to everything, nothing but the product was ever purchased from them. When the product came in, only 50 of the 80 pieces were purchased. Since this piece was custom made for Erick, he had exclusive rights to sell it for 6 months. For over a year NRG tried to get Erick to purchase the other 30 piece, but he would not, at this time NRG lost money on it so they came to us.

They gave us a price of $175 each. [/B]

I have no interest in either party being right or wrong, just my personal opinion on this situation.

 

[whatisreal7]

It is time we all moved along, as both vendors gave their side of the story, and Mode4 made peace w/ Synergy, which Synergy reciprocated.

May the best price/performance vendor win our businesses.

Now who is going to make a CF center console? :biggrin:

 

[PoohBEAR]

Which ice cream is better? Chocolate mint or Vanilla chocolate chip?

 

[UnhuZ]

My opinion is:

We all have to calm down... latelly Prime seems like an arena, where everybody seems to need to win something over others...no matter what.

i think that we must think good before posting...and some posts i read, make me believe that there was no thinking at all.

to me Prime is like a part of family... i just have to be here everyday, many times a day.

about vendors, well, everyone have the right to earn their money, we don't have to focus ourselfs in how much the next guy profits but instead see if the product is worth the price or not... if not, we look elsewhere..


Ending thought:

Let's be a community, and let's all get along with eachother, and use all available vendors, information, etc, to make us stronger as a whole....

Thanks,
Nuno

PS - excuse me and my utopic thoughts... but they are just that: thoughts

 

[UnhuZ]

sorry, must had clicked twice the button.

 

[Rogue MotorSports]

Now who is going to make a CF center console? :biggrin:

I do not think that is the appropriate question. I think the real question is, who's cf center console is going to hit the market first, and who's is going to be a superior product.