Stretched S2000 Mule in Torrance, CA

...Uehera wanted the next generation in a certain way but seems like Honda wanted a different direction. I wonder if that had any thing to do with his retirement. his current age is not exactly at a retirement point.

Maybe he will do some thing like Gordon Murray did in the past, go to another company and specialize in some thing.

You are likely correct in your speculation in why Uehara retired. When Uehara goes to another company and develops a pure sports car, I am in.

On the other hand, don't put him in charge of styling. There are prettier ways to accomplish aero improvements than he did with the Club Racer.
 
I still believe 2009/2010 year will be 70 year celebration car from Honda.

I wish this were true but it's not going to happen. 2009/2010 is too soon and Honda hasn't confirmed anything. That's not the way they do things. If a car were on the horizon for 2009/2010 we'd already know about it and it would be in pre-production now and on their official site like the LF-A is for Lexus. That car still might not ever happen but it's farther along than anything Honda has suggested.

Mules like the S2000 one were gone by 1988 in the case of the NSX. That was 2 full years before production. During 1988-1989 the prototypes seen very much resembled the NSX and the project was in full swing.

If Honda doesn't confirm anything or an actual prototype isn't seen by June 08 then you can forget about seeing anything until at least 2011.

We just have to all finally accept that Honda has no interest in producing a car like the NSX or even the S2000 in the forseeable future. The NSX and HSC are dead, the S2000 is dead and the ASCC is stillborn and slowly being swept under the carpet along with their ridiculous V-10 idea. Fukui isn't really interested in this stuff nor does he care about informing the public. His statements have proven to be false, hollow promises.

Nissan and Toyota are poised to show how badly Honda missed this opportunity to capitalize on the already established NSX marque. They could have dominated the GT-R and the LF-A if Fukui had kept his eye on the prize. Clearly, both Toyota and Nissan realize there's success to be had in this segment that Honda created and owned for 15 years.
 
I wish this were true but it's not going to happen. 2009/2010 is too soon and Honda hasn't confirmed anything. That's not the way they do things. If a car were on the horizon for 2009/2010 we'd already know about it and it would be in pre-production now and on their official site like the LF-A is for Lexus. That car still might not ever happen but it's farther along than anything Honda has suggested.

Mules like the S2000 one were gone by 1988 in the case of the NSX. That was 2 full years before production. During 1988-1989 the prototypes seen very much resembled the NSX and the project was in full swing.

If Honda doesn't confirm anything or an actual prototype isn't seen by June 08 then you can forget about seeing anything until at least 2011.

Honda won't confirm anything nor pass any information on the NSX project. A worker from honda posted on the acurazine boards (his post may have been deleted due to honda regulations) that the NSX project is in really high security. A single leaked detail will result in instant termination and a few other horrible things. Also he said a few things about the next gen TL which were somewhat true based on the spy shots of it. My guess is that honda will debut the new NSX with either its big celebration of X years or with the debut of the japan market. Also I'd bet that honda's plan is to wait and to see what the competetion will offer OFFICALLY, such as the LF-A, GTR and a few other competitiors.
 
Honda won't confirm anything nor pass any information on the NSX project. A worker from honda posted on the acurazine boards (his post may have been deleted due to honda regulations) that the NSX project is in really high security. A single leaked detail will result in instant termination and a few other horrible things. Also he said a few things about the next gen TL which were somewhat true based on the spy shots of it. My guess is that honda will debut the new NSX with either its big celebration of X years or with the debut of the japan market. Also I'd bet that honda's plan is to wait and to see what the competetion will offer OFFICALLY, such as the LF-A, GTR and a few other competitiors.

Well, Honda did confirm an NSX successor would appear within 3-4 years from 2005 and that will not happen. Keeping the details secret I understand but Honda not confirming anything is no way to market a car or attract attention. The GT-R project has been out in the open for years, as has the LF-A. Details weren't known but the general projects were no mystery just as after 1986 the NSX project was widely publicized.

I am very dubious of someone claiming to work for Honda knowing anything. I've heard that one before. :rolleyes: "Top Secret" is a good way to dodge the fact nothing exists. Anyone who was under that kind of code of silence wouldn't even go into details like "It's top secret"--they would simply say "I don't know anything" publicly. Why risk it to inform a bunch of net geeks?

The GT-R is official and the LF-A is close. The IS-F is the first step and that's official. Honda's only option is to wait and judging by Fukui's day late and dollar short approach to Honda's performance cars it will be many years from now if at all. Fukui was was clearly scared of the F430 and he'll continue to be one step behind with the performance segment. That's just the way the guy operates.

I hope you're wrong. I hope they do come out with something but you've got to separate reality from fantasy. There is no indication there's anything legitimate on the horizon and as long as Honda wants to keep everyone in the dark then I refuse to give them the benefit of the doubt.

We were having these same conversations in 2005 and 2006 before the ASCC and keeping in mind Fukui's statements which were a untrue. And now we're nowhere closer to anything with no official statements. Get ready for the same pattern for the next 2-3 years.

Wake me up when Honda decides to make a move. There's absolutely no evidence that Honda wants to go in this direction seriously. The S2000 mule is a joke. It's been running around for a year now. That's not going anywhere anytime soon either. They can't even get the ASCC off the ground and that's a poor excuse for an NSX successor. When Honda officially associated that turd with the NSX it was written in stone that Fukui's vision is quite different than Soichiro's. :frown:
 
You are likely correct in your speculation in why Uehara retired. When Uehara goes to another company and develops a pure sports car, I am in.

On the other hand, don't put him in charge of styling. There are prettier ways to accomplish aero improvements than he did with the Club Racer.

Mr.Uehara retired because he reached the retirement age of 60.
 
My buddy is mechanical engineer for Nisin brakes which does all the brake development for honda so they get advances on the cars coming out. He said he has seen the test mule and its def V10, 6speed, rear wheel drive car. This is just test mule and he said honda changes their minds an awful lot so...
 
My buddy is mechanical engineer for Nisin brakes which does all the brake development for honda so they get advances on the cars coming out. He said he has seen the test mule and its def V10, 6speed, rear wheel drive car. This is just test mule and he said honda changes their minds an awful lot so...

thanks for the update and that last sentance is priceless
 
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