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Spy Shots: 2009/10 Acura NSX
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Yeah I see it kinda looks alike but its really not the same, and I like how white car looks, comparing to NSX it is new enough and still resembles some lines of NSX
Uh.. it is the same car with a photochopped Ferrari frontend.
And different lights mirrors a little bit different silhouette etc.
Huh, I'm sure I posted here, saying how I thought it was ridiculous to create an NSX replacement and then make it a Front Engine car. My post seemed to have disappeared...So I'll say it again:biggrin:
A front Engine Mounted NSX....is NOT an NSX. Call it what you will....Honda GT super car or whatever. But I can't see it as an NSX replacement without the mid-engine layout.
Maybe I'm missing something here. Can anyone explain why Honda would chose a front engine layout as opposed to Mid-Engine????
A front Engine Mounted NSX....is NOT an NSX. Call it what you will....Honda GT super car or whatever. But I can't see it as an NSX replacement without the mid-engine layout.
Maybe I'm missing something here. Can anyone explain why Honda would chose a front engine layout as opposed to Mid-Engine????
'Maybe I'm missing something here. Can anyone explain why Honda would chose a front engine layout as opposed to Mid-Engine????'
Maybe because they think they will sell more than a mid-engine?
You know, markets DO change, maybe they want to make a profit, maybe a mid-engine is too fickle of a market to justify building several thousand cars a year, selling them at slightly above cost-if possible.
And maybe the market has shifted to where people who are willing to spend $100 grand on a car want something other than an 'exotic' Mid-engine, which anyone can buy a porsche.
Maybe because they think they will sell more than a mid-engine?
You know, markets DO change, maybe they want to make a profit, maybe a mid-engine is too fickle of a market to justify building several thousand cars a year, selling them at slightly above cost-if possible.
And maybe the market has shifted to where people who are willing to spend $100 grand on a car want something other than an 'exotic' Mid-engine, which anyone can buy a porsche.
How is putting there plans for buying a NSX on hold? and going for the new one? or saving up for it?
I'm fully aware that markets change
However, the general opinion is that the next NSX or replacement should be mid engine. Why would a front engine exotic sell more than a mid. What front engine exotic sells more than it's mid engine counterpart. Don't tell me about luxury cars either, I speak of sports car exotics.the general opinion of previous NSX owners is that it should be a mid engine, but as that segment is small to begin with, its not actually that relevant to the decision makers.
Its pretty simple, the original NSX was a breakthrough, but it never really was a corporate success.
Also, the demographics have changed, I for one would be much more willing to buy a FR over a Mid-even if the mid was lower priced because of the functionality of it.
IMO it seems to be more practical to build it as a FR and have the option later on for a convertible than just have a MR, and have T-tops.
You just have to accept that the market is changing, and you have a classic, but that it may not return.
The most obvious point is this: Honda has to compete.
If faced with a choice of a FR Lexus, and a Mid Acura, I will lean towards the Lexus... I am certain Acura KNOWS this of the buyer group its targeting.
Its pretty simple, the original NSX was a breakthrough, but it never really was a corporate success.
Also, the demographics have changed, I for one would be much more willing to buy a FR over a Mid-even if the mid was lower priced because of the functionality of it.
IMO it seems to be more practical to build it as a FR and have the option later on for a convertible than just have a MR, and have T-tops.
You just have to accept that the market is changing, and you have a classic, but that it may not return.
The most obvious point is this: Honda has to compete.
If faced with a choice of a FR Lexus, and a Mid Acura, I will lean towards the Lexus... I am certain Acura KNOWS this of the buyer group its targeting.
I think it's FR. As someone else mentioned above, the way rollcage is set up and the lack of ventilation seems to indicate that there's no engine behind the driver. Also, as bad as ASCC was, I can't see Honda changing the basic idea of the car which was FR.
that being said, i still wouldn't mind if I was proved wrong at the end
that being said, i still wouldn't mind if I was proved wrong at the end
Just checking but if its a test mule, why would it need a plate and registration? I dont think they are driven on public roads unless they are close to production...
hence why register? or is this a German thing? Hence if my logic makes sense, then for all we know that plate might actually belong to an S2000 and they just threw it on there to throw people off.
Heh good idea 
But IMO having 500 HP hybrid is just...plain stupid
But IMO having 500 HP hybrid is just...plain stupid
Just checking but if its a test mule, why would it need a plate and registration? I dont think they are driven on public roads unless they are close to production...
The Nordschleife is an official public road, and you need a properly licensed car to drive there on public days.
all things being (relatively) equal, why would you consider a 500 hp hybrid "stupid"?Heh good idea
But IMO having 500 HP hybrid is just...plain stupid
IMHO,
A Cayman nor a Boxster is an 'exotic' MR car, the only Exotic that has been made by Porsche recently is the CGT.
Audi decided to make the R8 and Aston Martin after the buyout has been looking on adding a MR car to their lineup, so maybe there is a market aftet all.
I'm yet to drive a FR car that has handling dynamics of a MR car, maybe Honda is targeting those customers that like cars that plow
This is exactly what I'm talking about. I have never seen Honda misleading the public. Secret project is one thing, how the press/individual's interpretation is another.
Again, the NSX was introduced to the public in 1989. HSC was a "possible" NSX replacement as a way to reach public reactions. And the ASC was presented at the car show as "successor" to the NSX. None of those were misleading information.
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Alright i would like to point out some things in order if you missed them or what not...i am not biased one way or another either..
1) The back is obviously stretched and note driver seating then ask yourself why they would stretch the back?
2) note the electric cords on the side of the car running back....(to the variable exhaust lol )
3) note by comparing the S2000 side shot(red one) with this car that they have a larger or wider side skirt...as if the entire body panels are farther up or the frame of the car is closer to ground and they need to cover the subframe up.
4) The rear suspension layout....is that a rear differential or a similar setup to the NSX layout....and is there a driveshaft running to the front?
5) compare this to the new S2000 CR in hood layout etc
6) watch how the test mule enters and leaves a corner...where does he lay into the gas and ask yourself "would i do that in my nsx"
7) Now you can sleep sweet dreams....or wake up screaming because of the nightmare.:wink:
Alright i would like to point out some things in order if you missed them or what not...i am not biased one way or another either..
1) The back is obviously stretched and note driver seating then ask yourself why they would stretch the back?
2) note the electric cords on the side of the car running back....(to the variable exhaust lol )
3) note by comparing the S2000 side shot(red one) with this car that they have a larger or wider side skirt...as if the entire body panels are farther up or the frame of the car is closer to ground and they need to cover the subframe up.
4) The rear suspension layout....is that a rear differential or a similar setup to the NSX layout....and is there a driveshaft running to the front?
5) compare this to the new S2000 CR in hood layout etc
6) watch how the test mule enters and leaves a corner...where does he lay into the gas and ask yourself "would i do that in my nsx"
7) Now you can sleep sweet dreams....or wake up screaming because of the nightmare.:wink:
Well I guess you dont buy $100K to spare fuel
Regarding emissions those batteries probably pollute more than that extra 20% fuel burned, as they arent recycleable (if this is the word)
gotcha.Well I guess you dont buy $100K to spare fuel
Regarding emissions those batteries probably pollute more than that extra 20% fuel burned, as they arent recycleable (if this is the word)
when i think of a hybrid car i like the "burns less petrol products" and "emits fewer particles of carbon" aspect of the powerplant; i also give thought to the long term recycling issue you mentioned.
but as an owner of a hybrid (prius), i **really** like the quickness of the electric motor from a dead stop and like to imagine if honda built a hybrid sports car that it would be as much fun off the line as it would be in the canyons.
i would love it if they'd out-do http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php and produce an all-electric nsx with a 400+ mile driving range, but that unlikely to happen
(not much of a lotus fan, so haven't gotten in line for the tesla)hal
Hmm, I here ya...However, I just 'feel' like this set up is a mistake. I was hoping Honda (Acura) would make a GT car!! But I wanted them to place a Turbo 4 banger like in the RDX, with a little more Umph in a small sports car (maybe the S2000) with the SH-AWD package.
Then, I expected them to create a HONDA version of the Gallardo. The very concept was so exciting to me since I like the Gallardo. I was hoping Honda would price this car lower than the Gallardo, with equal or better performance with HONDA reliability.
But, I'm no car manufacturer Exec. I guess this wasn't the right route for them. Still, I wonder how many people are going to buy a front mounted V10 Honda. The NSX sales, initially sold well the first few years. However, IMHO HSX sales dropped off dramatically after that because Ferrari stepped up to the plate offering better cars, the NSX powerplant wasn't imporved very much, and the sad reality that many poeple would rather spend their money on a car with as they say "Heritage" i.e. Porche, Ferrari, etc. or cars that give more bang for the buck regardless of quality, i.e. Corvette ZO6. Will these people really have a change of heart with a Honda V10?
Are we NSX owners (and owner wannabees) really such a small insignificant segment? :frown:
No, Honda sold less NSX after its third year of production because the worldwide economy was in recession, not because Ferrari built better cars. Because "Good" Ferrari wasn't in the market till the 360, ten years after NSX was introduced. Between 1993 to 1998, few exotic cars were introduced, and many car companies were forced to drop their high line sports cars, even the entry-level cars market were hurt. Toyota Supra for example, was dropped after their annual sales to 500-ish cars, and a 10 grand price drop didn't even help. 300ZX Turbo, RX7, 3000 GT all met the same fate.
McLaren was expected to sell 300 F1, but only have 60 or so private buyers; they meet the revised target of 100 by selling the F1 as racers, but when the economy got better, people waited in line to buy those used race cars and converted them for street use.
Jag was in a major slump, MB and BMW went through a whole new design phase by discontenting their cars for lower prices and higher margins.
Lambo was almost out of business, and Porsche had to introduce a entry level Boxter to make money. Ferrari was still struggling to sell 2000 cars a year, and cars such as Vector left this world before they can even sell enough cars to to call it even. Cezeta Marrotor V16 (or something like that), Subaru F1 concept, MB mid engine super car, did even make the cut. Chevy didn’t sell too many Corvettes between 1990 to 1996 until the C5 was introduced; the all mighty ZR1 was sold less than 7000 units during its 7 or so production years.
Do you see the trend?
More NSX would have been sold if it were introduced in 1988/9.
Timing is everything, and timing wasn't on NSX's side, or any of the super car companies' side.
In 1999, Zanardi NSX was ranked 2nd behind 911TT, by Motor Trend, ahead of 355, Viper, Corvette, Lotus; 9 years after its introduction. Few cars by that time can do 0-60 under five seconds. However, by then, NSX's days were numbered, but you can't blame that to Honda. It was in many ways, still more superior to the 355 in 1999, and 360 still had inferior built quality than the NSX… But public interest has moved on.
Yes, people will buy the Honda V10, and no, Honda will most likely not make any money on that car, and yes, people will still spend the extra 150 grand for a more inferior Ferrari, because they have "soul." And yes, people will still talk shit about the car because Z06 is super fast for the price, even though its roof can't stay on during high speed.
Few companies out there have the racing heritage of Honda. In fact, it wasn’t until five years ago Ferrari achieved greater F1 victories than Honda as an Engine manufacture, and they were in the F1 activities five times longer. Porsche was never officially in F1, and MB didn’t build super cars, Lambo lasted two seasons and didn’t win any races. And Honda still holds the longest consecutive F1 Manufacture’s championship of six (1986 to 1991).
Until the day Ferrari can offer 150 bucks oil change, or $2000 timing belt, few of us will buy one. That is why Ferrari only produce 3000 cars a year, just enough NOT to meet the demand. As much as I admire Ferrari cars, I will most likely not owning one, even if I can afford it. Rememober the days when people question the civility of the NSX and quietly tell the world not to buy the car? With great irony, those unwanted "civilized" qualities can be found in every modern day super cars.
Italian exotic owners should be thankful every time Honda built some thing in that magnitude, because without Honda, their beautiful Ferrari/Lamb will still be a POS, beautiful to look at, but can go no where far.
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Yes isn't that funny. Yeah do the Italian cars still have "soul" now that they're as civilized as the NSX?
AMEN brotha amen!
Thanks Vance. This was extremely informative. Do you still think that, after all the NSX has done to prove itself worthy in the market, people will still think "It's just a Honda"?
Do you believe it is wise for Honda to go Front Engine as opposed to MID??
I all honestly, I am just happy that they are going somewhere, even though it's not the route most of us hoped:biggrin:
Heh I hope it will see daylight before Gran Turismo 5 so that I can at least drive it on Sony
