Sheriff neighbor does not like Black people.

All kind of people come from different cultural backgrounds and with different sensitivites to issues like racism (and other issues). Some people will hear the same question/comment and understand it in different ways. If one is prejudiced that cops are racist, such a comment from a cop might be understood as a racial discrimination due to the color of their skin. If one however is prejudiced that his neighbors are older people who like quiet, the same comment might be understood as an age discrimination due to the age of the kids. From our perspective here, all we can do is speculate what VampNSX's neighbor really meant by injecting into this mix our own prejudices. One thing I've learnt early on was to always ask when not sure on how to interpret an ambiguous comment/reaction and not trying to second-guess people just based on them noding, winking, smiling, etc. Trying to second-guess people can be just as misleading some times than the comment/reaction, and create more confusion and misunderstandings.

PS: Not juging anyone here, as I was not there to know what happened, nor do I know any of you well enough to do so...
 
VampNSX- I think just letting it be is the best thing to do. If the family has met your rental requirements, which is probably pretty high requirements for renting a house in California, and passed whatever background check you require, then they are probably decent people to rent to. The sheriff may have a prejudice against them for any reason, but it may just be the sadness that the house next door isn't going to be quiet anymore... Over time, if the new tenents aren't problematic, I'm sure everyone will be at least cordial with one another. If problems do arise, then at least you have some law enforcement in the area- it's a win-win situation. :biggrin:

newby said:
I would give this rough biker looking guy the same fair shake I would give any other white, black, asian or hispanic man. However, in my field I'm trained to profile people in order to do my job correctly and safely. That doesn't mean racially profiling people...it just means that I'm going to be more concerned for my safety when someone I'm dealing with is (for example) wearing gang related clothing vs someone wearing a shirt and tie. I'm not saying every bad person dresses like a hoodlum....however I can only base my opinions on patterns.
In all honesty, I think people should note what you've said here (bold typed and italicized). Law enforcement are trained to profile for certain situations, and you can't turn training on and off, just like you can't turn education on and off. If someone takes a second look at another because of the way they dress, outward behavior/motions, or other distinguishing attributes that are not positive, I don't think that's being prejudiced- just smart, as long as it's held as a standard for everyone. Like it or not, in our culture, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to act and dress accordingly. If you walk into a Ferrari dealership in a t-shirt and ripped jeans, you're not going to get the same attention as if you were in a nice suit- the same goes for law enforcement.
 
Patdeisa said:
If someone takes a second look at another because of the way they dress, outward behavior/motions, or other distinguishing attributes that are not positive, I don't think that's being prejudiced- just smart, as long as it's held as a standard for everyone. Like it or not, in our culture, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to act and dress accordingly. If you walk into a Ferrari dealership in a t-shirt and ripped jeans, you're not going to get the same attention as if you were in a nice suit- the same goes for law enforcement.
There's one part of me that understands what you're saying, and another part of me that finds it can be interpreted in a way that I find objectionable. Sure, we all get first impressions when we meet people... but I don't think some of them are (or, should be) valid, not when they're based on race (or some other characteristic that is not within the control of the person involved).

You raise the perfect example - walking into a Ferrari dealership. If a white person dressed in a polo shirt and khaki dockers walks into a Ferrari dealership, should he be regarded or treated any differently from a black person who does the same thing, dressed the same way? Most of us would probably answer no. (I hope so, anyway.) Then why should law enforcement be any different?

What I would expect, and hope for, from law enforcement, and from anyone else for that matter, is that even though there might be recognition that a person might be a member of a larger group with such-and-such probabilities of having certain given characteristics (e.g. criminal behavior), that person would not be pre-judged (the derivation of the word "prejudice") to be one thing or another based only on those probabilities. Even though a person is a member of a particular ethnic group, that person should not be assumed to be, say, a criminal solely because of his/her ethnicity, and should be treated with the same respect as anyone else under the same circumstances.

To see how this might work in terms of "profiling" - maybe the airport security people know that men with turbans and beards are more likely to be terrorists than seventy-year-old grandmothers, and they might closely search 100 percent of men with turbans and beards and only 10 percent of seventy-year-old grandmothers, but they should still treat the former as respectfully as the latter.

I hope I'm explaining myself well enough, but if not, I can give other examples.
 
When I was looking for a house a few years ago I found 2 homes I liked In seperate mil dollar developements. When I happened to go back to one during the day I saw 6-7 black teenagers that i did not like the way they looked.All the available lots around their home were available. I didnt buy that house.
Would you say I qualify as a racist?

The other home which I bought is across the street from a black family.
Nicest people in the world.They have three young kids which I'm sure my daughter will be friends with when she gets older.

Isnt it possible to like some people of a certain race and not some others of the same race and not be a racist?
 
Well I think that they should raise the standards for being a cop. The requirements are basically be over 18 and have a pulse. Yesterday we had a X-mas party at work and someone started to talk about Cops and one thing that all even the co workers that have family members that are Cop were saying that they did not like cops and that the only reason there family members were Cops was because they failed at everything else they tried. This is what they say even when they are in there own family. That there tells you that the country should raise the qualification for Cops.


The reason I don't want to be a cop is because almost every one hates Cops.
 
PAUL M said:
When I was looking for a house a few years ago I found 2 homes I liked In seperate mil dollar developements. When I happened to go back to one during the day I saw 6-7 black teenagers that i did not like the way they looked.All the available lots around their home were available. I didnt buy that house.
Would you say I qualify as a racist?

The other home which I bought is across the street from a black family.
Nicest people in the world.They have three young kids which I'm sure my daughter will be friends with when she gets older.

Isnt it possible to like some people of a certain race and not some others of the same race and not be a racist?


well what if they were 6-7 white teenagers would you have got it then?



Well I am happy that were I got my bran new house the neighbors to the right are a couple (white guy and Asian Girl) and to the left is a family made of 2 kids and a Hispanic man and White woman (mom and dad) so I don't think they would have a problem if I have my Black friends come over or if I rent out that house one day to who ever I want. The best part is that there are no cop neighbors. From now on every new house I get I am going to make sure there are no cops living close to me. I have never had a problem with no one who lived close to me but a Cop would be the first to give me a problem.

I am sure now some of you will get pissed of at me for saying this but most of you will agree that if you were in my shoes you would now think this way too.
 
VampNSX said:
well what if they were 6-7 white teenagers would you have got it then?



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If they looked like derelict dirtbags probably not. My point is that it doesnt matter to me what race/religion you are. There are good and bad for every one. you shouldnt be deemed a racist just because the dirtbag happens to be a diff. race than you. I dont know if anyone agrees?
 
PAUL M said:
Isnt it possible to like some people of a certain race and not some others of the same race and not be a racist?
PAUL M said:
My point is that it doesnt matter to me what race/religion you are. There are good and bad for every one. you shouldnt be deemed a racist just because the dirtbag happens to be a diff. race than you. I dont know if anyone agrees?
If you regard and treat everyone the same regardless of what race they are, then I think that's the opposite of prejudice and racism.

(Note - I'm not saying that you treat everyone exactly the same as everyone else. But the things that make you regard someone as a dirtbag and treat them that way are things other than their race, and similarly, you regard someone as a fine citizen and treat them that way due to things other than race.)
 
VampNSX said:
Well I think that they should raise the standards for being a cop. The requirements are basically be over 18 and have a pulse.

Yeah, in some states they do not get enough qualified applicants so they have to make do with applicants who have only a High School Diploma. However, these states put their recruits through 2-6 months of on and off the street training. The academy's are not easy and fortunatly many get cut during this process.
The preferred hiring standard (which many states are adopting) require a 2 (or in some states) 4-year degree to even apply. Minnesota (where I live and work) requires a minimum 2-year degree (more often then not you need a B.S. degree to get hired) and you have to pay to put yourself through a 11 week training academy (with no guarantee of a job). This works well because then only the serious wannabees put in the time and money to work toward a career in Law Enforcement.

VampNSX said:
Yesterday we had a X-mas party at work and someone started to talk about Cops and one thing that all even the co workers that have family members that are Cop were saying that they did not like cops and that the only reason there family members were Cops was because they failed at everything else they tried. This is what they say even when they are in there own family. That there tells you that the country should raise the qualification for Cops.

You really make a lot of generalized statements considering you have talked with what.... .00000000015% of the U.S. Population. For someone who is so strongly against discrimination...it surprises me that you would make the following (stereotyping) statement:

VampNSX said:
The reason I don't want to be a cop is because almost every one hates Cops.

From now on every new house I get I am going to make sure there are no cops living close to me. I have never had a problem with no one who lived close to me but a Cop would be the first to give me a problem.

What's the difference between discrimating against race and discrimating against the police? Let me make the same statement you just made but substitute BLACKS for COPS.

"From now on every new house I get I am going to make sure there are no BLACKS living close to me. I have never had a problem with no one who lived close to me but a BLACK would be the first to give me a problem."

Sorry VAMP....you've dug yourself in a hole this time :smile:

There are a number of people who dislike the police. It's usually the people who receive a ticket (which they probably deserved) or they screwed up and the police (while doing their job) made them pay for their mistake.

When I was a teenager, I got 5 speeding tickets in 4 years. Every time it happened, I was pissed AT MYSELF FOR SPEEDING!! I never dislike the cops. That's part of the problem, people don't stand up when they make a mistake, and say "I screwed up....now what can I do to make up for it".

I know more people who respect the police then dislike them....and I deal with more criminals then good people. I've had two guys whom I arrested for DUI (one ended up being a felony....1-year in prison). I spoke with one (and got a letter from the other) thanking me for doing my job. They both made life altering changes after the arrest. They sought out treatment and are now (approx. 16 months later) working full-time, sober and have a better respect for life (One is Hispanic...FYI since this all started on race) Now that's only two positives out of hundreds of negatives...but that's enough to make me feel good about what I do.

Your negativity will never get a good cop down. Because confidence is a requirement of the job and unfortunately ignorance is a big part of what we deal with.

As for Paul’s situation when looking for a place to build his home...I would not say you are a racist. Perception is the key to success and safety in life... Something didn't sit well with you... and because you were aware of that it may have saved you years of headaches. From what you said it doesn't sound like Race was the issue it was the number of kids and the fact that the lots surrounding this gathering were still vacant.

Thanks for bring that situating up....especially when you probably knew you would be attacked for what you did.
 
newby said:
Yeah, in some states they do not get enough qualified applicants so they have to make do with applicants who have only a High School Diploma. However, these states put their recruits through 2-6 months of on and off the street training. The academy's are not easy and fortunatly many get cut during this process.
The preferred hiring standard (which many states are adopting) require a 2 (or in some states) 4-year degree to even apply. Minnesota (where I live and work) requires a minimum 2-year degree (more often then not you need a B.S. degree to get hired) and you have to pay to put yourself through a 11 week training academy (with no guarantee of a job). This works well because then only the serious wannabees put in the time and money to work toward a career in Law Enforcement.



You really make a lot of generalized statements considering you have talked with what.... .00000000015% of the U.S. Population. For someone who is so strongly against discrimination...it surprises me that you would make the following (stereotyping) statement:



What's the difference between discrimating against race and discrimating against the police? Let me make the same statement you just made but substitute BLACKS for COPS.

"From now on every new house I get I am going to make sure there are no BLACKS living close to me. I have never had a problem with no one who lived close to me but a BLACK would be the first to give me a problem."

Sorry VAMP....you've dug yourself in a hole this time :smile:

There are a number of people who dislike the police. It's usually the people who receive a ticket (which they probably deserved) or they screwed up and the police (while doing their job) made them pay for their mistake.

When I was a teenager, I got 5 speeding tickets in 4 years. Every time it happened, I was pissed AT MYSELF FOR SPEEDING!! I never dislike the cops. That's part of the problem, people don't stand up when they make a mistake, and say "I screwed up....now what can I do to make up for it".

I know more people who respect the police then dislike them....and I deal with more criminals then good people. I've had two guys whom I arrested for DUI (one ended up being a felony....1-year in prison). I spoke with one (and got a letter from the other) thanking me for doing my job. They both made life altering changes after the arrest. They sought out treatment and are now (approx. 16 months later) working full-time, sober and have a better respect for life (One is Hispanic...FYI since this all started on race) Now that's only two positives out of hundreds of negatives...but that's enough to make me feel good about what I do.

Your negativity will never get a good cop down. Because confidence is a requirement of the job and unfortunately ignorance is a big part of what we deal with.

As for Paul’s situation when looking for a place to build his home...I would not say you are a racist. Perception is the key to success and safety in life... Something didn't sit well with you... and because you were aware of that it may have saved you years of headaches. From what you said it doesn't sound like Race was the issue it was the number of kids and the fact that the lots surrounding this gathering were still vacant.

Thanks for bring that situating up....especially when you probably knew you would be attacked for what you did.


look I grew up in Inglewood I went to Inglewood high school and a cop to me is someone who can do anything he wants and get away with it. Why do you think there were riots when they had Mr. King was getting beat by white cops .I tell you one thing now if it would have bin black cops beating up a white guys it would have bin a different story and if you say no then you my friend are in LALA land.


As usual the Cops always side with each other. I am pissed off now cause I would like all the NSX the people in this forums who are not cops to say what they really think... Well I am generalizing cops because by the looks of it they are all the same .. I was wrong thinking there were caps who still look at people as equal...
 
I have bin stopped for no reason when I drove the NSX 2 times. One time I remember coming back from my girlfriend house and this cop pulls next to me on the stop light and tells me "SLOW THE FUCK DOWN OR I WILL TAKE THAT FUCKEN CAR AWAY FROM YOU" I was not speeding because the street was so bumpy I did not want to drive fast at all since my car was 2 inches from the ground. The cop was about 30 and I was about 25 years old at the time so the way I see it is they hate what they cant have I think. By the way I am Hispanic and living as a Hispanic man or a black man in this country makes you guilty automatically. And don't say that's not true because you are not Black or Hispanic and you would have to live our lives and see things though our eyes. The only people who say that there is no racism are white people because they have never bin though what we have to go though.
 
newby said:
You really make a lot of generalized statements considering you have talked with what.... .00000000015% of the U.S. Population. For someone who is so strongly against discrimination...it surprises me that you would make the following (stereotyping) statement:





There are a number of people who dislike the police. It's usually the people who receive a ticket (which they probably deserved) or they screwed up and the police (while doing their job) made them pay for their mistake.

When I was a teenager, I got 5 speeding tickets in 4 years. Every time it happened, I was pissed AT MYSELF FOR SPEEDING!! I never dislike the cops. That's part of the problem, people don't stand up when they make a mistake, and say "I screwed up....now what can I do to make up for it".

Newby, I would like to invite you to my hometown for a week. You can't stay with me though. I want you to stay in a small city in my county just down the freeway.
You can't bring your badge at all. We will hang out as a normal person would do. I will roll around and show you those safe places that you applauded Paul for wanting to have. You just have to wear sunglasses in the daytime.
i gaurantee you, It would be an eye opening experience.

Speeding, yeah pull me over. No problem, we will go to traffic court. Tell me what you see. I am sure there is a perfectly simple explanation for who is in there. Maybe they all should buck up and be responsible for their actions.

We would get pulled over before we could get to those safe places. if I drove a nice car, we may be able to play with the K-9 units dog.
 
VampNSX said:
I would like all the NSX the people in this forums who are not cops to say what they really think...
Sure, I'll be happy to.

Disclaimer: I have no criminal record. My encounters with law enforcement have consisted of many, many ;) traffic stops, and occasional contacts with our neighborhood's patrol officers. FWIW, I believe that one particular traffic citation I received was probably racially motivated (a black officer giving a ticket for a minor offense - slowly rolling through a stop sign on side streets with no one else around - to a white driver in a fancy sports car in my integrated neighborhood). I don't hold that specific experience against the entire occupation in general.

I think most cops are decent folks who go into the law enforcement field because they want to make a difference, to make this a better world - not because they want a paycheck every couple of weeks and it was the only job they could find. I don't think it's an easy job; there's a lot you have to know, and a lot of crap you have to put up with. I think cops deserve a lot more respect than they actually get; that saying "People hate cops until they need one" rings absolutely true IMO. The same thing was largely true of firefighters until 9/11. Too bad everyone forgets that it was not just hundreds of firefighters who lost their lives doing their jobs there, but lots of cops too.

I think there are some bad cops, cops who mistreat people in many ways. I don't think they are a majority, just a relatively small minority, but I think you have good cops and bad cops (not just like in interrogations ;) ) just like you have good and bad people in any occupation, and in any ethnic group. The only difference between cops and those in other occupations is that law enforcement provides the opportunity to harass people with relative impunity. I think it's only a relatively small minority who take advantage of that opportunity. Apparently you (VampNSX) disagree on this last point; perhaps this is because our towns are different - see below - but in any case, perhaps we should simply agree to disagree on that.

VampNSX said:
Well I am generalizing cops because by the looks of it they are all the same ..
That is EXACTLY the excuse given by those who try to justify racism. Just substitute "blacks" or "hispanics" or "whites" for the word "cops".

VampNSX said:
I was wrong thinking there were caps who still look at people as equal...
I don't know what your town, or your police force, is like. But the cops in my town DO look at people as equal. They have to. My town prides itself on its diversity - racial, ethnic, economic, etc. This is a big attraction, and why many people choose to live here (and probably why those looking for a homogeneous community choose not to). The police department is extremely sensitive to this. Perhaps your police department is different - in which case, someone should clean it up.

VampNSX said:
The only people who say that there is no racism are white people because they have never bin though what we have to go though.
No one here has said that there is no racism in the world. And I find it offensive for you to go off on an emotional, inflammatory rant like that. It conflicts with, and detracts from, the rest of what you have said, which generally portrays yourself as someone who is sensitive to all people and is just trying to do the right thing. I usually hear statements like that from people who are more intent on getting people worked up than on helping people get along and get by and do the right thing in the world.
 
VAMPNSX….

I would not criticize you for stating that you’ve had a number of bad experiences with Law Enforcement. If a cop pulled up to me and said “Slow the FUCK down or I’m taking your car”, I’d get the squad number and call in a complaint. Especially since you apparently did nothing wrong. If people do not stand up for what they believe is right…then yes, the corrupt cops win.

I have met a few officers with other departments who I have not been impressed with. There are cops I’ve been in classes with who believe they are above the law. Most of the time, it’s a person who is insecure with themselves so the badge makes them more of a man. Unfortunately, this isn’t easily detected during background investigations and psychological examinations. So is the profession perfect?....Not even close. However, don’t make statements judging all the police who have taken an oath to serve and protect this country. Someday you might need their help.

len3.8 said:
Newby, I would like to invite you to my hometown for a week. You can't stay with me though. I want you to stay in a small city in my county just down the freeway.
You can't bring your badge at all. We will hang out as a normal person would do. I will roll around and show you those safe places that you applauded Paul for wanting to have. You just have to wear sunglasses in the daytime.
i gaurantee you, It would be an eye opening experience.

I’m not sure what you mean by needing to wear sunglasses in the daytime… or what would be an eye opening experience. Since I probably will not be taking you up on this offer...why don’t you give us all some detail as to what you are talking about?

I’m sure I could also show you a few things that would open your mind to what Law Enforcement has to deal with. Maybe we’ll learn something from each other?

len3.8 said:
Speeding, yeah pull me over. No problem, we will go to traffic court. Tell me what you see. I am sure there is a perfectly simple explanation for who is in there. Maybe they all should buck up and be responsible for their actions.

We would get pulled over before we could get to those safe places. if I drove a nice car, we may be able to play with the K-9 units dog.

I do not know what you are trying to say here...... by going to traffic court means you are stepping up, or are you trying to get out of the ticket???? :confused:
What are you doing to get pulled over? The police need "reasonable suspicion" to stop you. Whether that means you violated a law...or the know you have a warrant, or they suspect you to have been invovled in a crime. If you are being stopped for "no reason" (I hear that excuse a lot) then make a complaint.

If you don't try to fix the problem...then don't complain about it. :smile:

As far as NSXTASY's ticket for rolling through a stop sign.... yeah that's a push. I like to take surrounding into play when I decide to cite someone or not. Speeding through rush hour traffic vs. speeding down the open highway. Failing to stop when people/other cars are around vs. nobody around. But you never know...there may have been a number of complaints about people rolling through that stop sign so his superiors told him "no more warnings". I've been put in that position before. It's hard to say forsure why you were cited. Was he respectful toward you?
 
newby said:
I’m not sure what you mean by needing to wear sunglasses in the daytime… or what would be an eye opening experience. Since I probably will not be taking you up on this offer...why don’t you give us all some detail as to what you are talking about?

I’m sure I could also show you a few things that would open your mind to what Law Enforcement has to deal with. Maybe we’ll learn something from each other?

I do not know what you are trying to say here...... by going to traffic court means you are stepping up, or are you trying to get out of the ticket???? :confused:
What are you doing to get pulled over? The police need "reasonable suspicion" to stop you. Whether that means you violated a law...or the know you have a warrant, or they suspect you to have been invovled in a crime. If you are being stopped for "no reason" (I hear that excuse a lot) then make a complaint.

If you don't try to fix the problem...then don't complain about it. :smile:

As far as the glasses, I meant you just have to wear a pair.
Kind of blocks your face. Can't really see you, your appearence being questionable. If you are of a lighter complexion, then you lend credibilty to my unseen character, we may get to carry on. As far as getting to play with the K-9 unit, if we are pulled over they will assume that they may be on the tip of a larger matter. They will ask for backup, that back up will be a K-9 unit, they want to make sure that I am not carrying illegal pharmaceuticals.

As far as opening my mind up to what Law Enforcement has to deal with. You may be able to show me some things, but you wouldn't surprise me. If you read my earlier posts. I work with Law Enforcement everyday, to add to that, on many different levels. I most likely have seen and heard more than you.

The Police "reasonable suspicion" to pull you over.
You have got to be kidding!! That may be written in laws, but unfortunately suspicion becomes questionable, then only to become; because I can.
People have and do make complaints. I have made complaints. However, my circumastance offer me an advantage over the common person. My complaint will most likely be heard, where other's complaints may just sit on the watch commander's, captain's, or even the chief's desk until it simply goes away. Unless they were lucky enough to have witnesses or a video tape. Even though the video tapes don't seem to workout either. (Different stories) Others simply end up in the courts many of them pay reduced fines, just to get out of that system.

When a judge goes off on the lack of diversity among defendants, and the scope of the tickets issued, there is something terribly wrong within that system. I am not talking about all cities, I can't talk of any but the ones that I have lived in or lived in. However, I know that things have been reported like this all over the country.

It's not as easy as a complaint. Unfortunately the system isn't working, so the good officers get prosecuted and deemed guilty along with the bad officers. Who does the judging? Anyone that was truly violated and those that listen to them when they talk about it. As well as those that feel they are violated. That may be the reason VampNSX and others feel the way they do, I don't know.
But I know why I am leary of them and I work with them all of the time. I also get the ability to talk to a lot of them.
Most of them want to do a good job. Others (like other human beings) have to do things their way. They are set in their ways. There are some things that must be done, I know this, in certain areas you just simply have to be careful. I also know that working in those areas shouldn't mean you have to generalize/stereotype a particular race.


Question(s) and a different viewpoint.
If someone were to drive by my home (Not in a Million Dollar area) and see me standing outside, how would they determine that/if I am/were a crappy person to move next to?

I mean do you move away when you see young white guys wearing trench coats? Are older, but adult men in pickup trucks keeping to themselves? Or is it the businessman that has the "safe house" sticker in the front door? Would you move next to them? Don't get me wrong; investing wisely can't be frowned upon. I would want the best house in the best neighborhood as well.


I am sure the people in Columbine Co. thought they were in Nirvana. Maybe Timothy Mcveigh should have been a person of color, then maybe he wouldn't have been able to get the truck close to the federal building. Jeffrey Dalmer, had one of his victims returned to him by the cops, (naked). Man! what clout. I could go on and on, but I think most will get the point.
Darn my son was an altar boy, I wonder if? Nah, I won't say anything or ask him about it.. But I will jump in that litigation line. Matter of fact, Son, did father Murphy ever...?

Guilt is powerful, some people wear it more than they should and longer than they should. Anger is even more powerful; some people are resented because they are still being blamed for past actions. I mean people will not move on. Nor will they really try to talk about it. The truth hurts, and the majority rules, the majority says leave things as they are, the right people benefit when things are left as they are. It is easier not to rock the boat. Why not keep the status quo as it is? "Damn the next generation, I want my wealth and power now".
 
Might be beating a dead horse but I was doing a search and this post popped up in the mix. How did this turn out? Sheriff shoot any of the kids? Just Kidding :)

As for the comments made by the cops in here about race I understand what your saying but truthfully it makes no sense. I understand profiling by the way someone looks (ie going to be more suspicious of a guy in a leather Jacket in a heat wave then a guy in a t-shirt) but as for race it makes no sense at all. If the tenants looked like thugs I could understand but t-shirt and shorts? Come on. I can understand being weary of someone by the way they carry themselves but just on the basis of skin? That's moronic and I am saddened that this is Law enforcement. BTW the DC statistics, shit DC is primarily poor black people of course when poverty is thrown in the mix there will be problems. I just love the fact that poverty is often overlooked when making comparisons, no one usually compares upper middle class minorities to upper middle class whites its usually poverty stricken minorities to upper middle class whites. Oh well just wanted to rant a bit and if this was already answerd, I didn't read every single post, then sorry and carry on.
 
JesusJuice said:
Might be beating a dead horse but I was doing a search and this post popped up in the mix. How did this turn out? Sheriff shoot any of the kids? Just Kidding :)

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Well it all turned out OK no problems that I know of. But for all you cops if you see me a Hispanic male move next door to you with a NSX dont think (he must be selling drugs)...LOL :tongue:
 
Gosh, turned into a cop bashing thread... :biggrin:

Public=1
Cops=0

Cops can never win this argument but like newby suggests, the good cops will shrug their shoulders and go to work knowing that they are doing the world some good and making a difference while everyone else just lives their life not knowing or caring the sacrifices made. :smile:
 
I grew up in Brooklyn, NY, and when I moved near Reading, PA to attend Penn State Univ., I've witnessed some racial discrimination.

Examples:

1-Across my apt., there lives a person who has the conferedate flag covering his whole entire window. Now, if you ask me, I've never witnessed that in NYC. Oh and he also has one attached to his Jeep's antenna. Does this mean that the guy is racist? I do not know.

2- Being an Asian, I do notice how children look at me with a stare. That bothers me. I just get annoyed at their parents.

3- My friend (who is Korean) and I went to a local bowling alley and when the lady asked for our name, my friend told her his name: Peter. I'm assuming she was expecting an "Oriental" name. But she said "is that your name?" and laughed. Peter asked "what's so funny?" and she said "Oh, nothing."

Oh, and not to mention how the word "CHINK" is keyed on the electric hand dryer in bathroom... for years!

Before I moved to PA, I had no problems whatsoever dealing with racial issues. I attended Bklyn Tech HS, which has about 4500 students and most are minorities. But now that I've witnessed how Asians get looked down upon(in certain areas), now I know why asians tend to seclude themselves (in school you'll witness a group of asians hanging with themselves).

Some of you may not agree with me. But this is the way I SEE IT.
 
minsbang said:
Before I moved to PA, I had no problems whatsoever dealing with racial issues. I attended Bklyn Tech HS, which has about 4500 students and most are minorities. But now that I've witnessed how Asians get looked down upon(in certain areas), now I know why asians tend to seclude themselves (in school you'll witness a group of asians hanging with themselves).

Some of you may not agree with me. But this is the way I SEE IT.

I feel ya :biggrin: Imagine what it was like for a lone korean kid living in michigan surrounded by all white and black kids. It was pleasant I tell you :wink:
 
VampNSX said:
look I grew up in Inglewood I went to Inglewood high school and a cop to me is someone who can do anything he wants and get away with it. Why do you think there were riots when they had Mr. King was getting beat by white cops .I tell you one thing now if it would have bin black cops beating up a white guys it would have bin a different story and if you say no then you my friend are in LALA land.


As usual the Cops always side with each other. I am pissed off now cause I would like all the NSX the people in this forums who are not cops to say what they really think... Well I am generalizing cops because by the looks of it they are all the same .. I was wrong thinking there were caps who still look at people as equal...

I have met more good cops then bad ones, as with any profession or nationality there will be good and bad. And from your statements I think you are prejudice against police and are a big part of the problem.
 
Carguy! said:
I have met more good cops then bad ones, as with any profession or nationality there will be good and bad. And from your statements I think you are prejudice against police and are a big part of the problem.



you are to for thinking I am...

I have meet more bad cops than good ones...
 
JesusJuice said:
I understand profiling by the way someone looks (ie going to be more suspicious of a guy in a leather Jacket in a heat wave then a guy in a t-shirt) but as for race it makes no sense at all. If the tenants looked like thugs I could understand but t-shirt and shorts? Come on. I can understand being weary of someone by the way they carry themselves but just on the basis of skin? That's moronic and I am saddened that this is Law enforcement.

You bring up a good point. Profiling carries more emphasis on the overall package...not just because someone is black, Hispanic or Asian. If I see a black man dressed descent who carries himself in a respectable manner....I don't look twice. But when I see a black man wearing pants down to his knees walking with a swagger and talks like he's straight out Compton....I'll give him a second, third and forth look. The same applies to whites though. We have a lot of Somalian people living in our community. Most are very kind and respectable….however there are a few who choose to look like gangsters and in turn are profiled.
I’m sure this was said at some point in this thread…..if you don’t want to get harassed, don’t dress like a thug. Unfortunately, most people who dress that way aren’t smart enough to put 2 and 2 together (literally :biggrin: )
 
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