I just lowered my car with H&R springs it looks great and the ride is awesome but i have -5 degrees of camber! i cant get it out to save my life. ive done an alignment on my car before i lowered it and it was fine but its gone way out now. Does anyone else have this much rear camber? the front are fine well only -1 anyway i was hoping there was a camber kit out for this thing or maybe a quick fix? any help would rock
Serious rear camber problem
- Thread starter The Man
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I have H&R and the rears are at 2.8 degrees negative camber. That's the smallest camber I could get in the rear. -5 is way too much but don't expect anything better than -2.5.
ak said:
Ditto, I have H&R's as well and I am at -2.6 on one side and -2.7 on the other in the rear. Now I will say my car was on a state of the art Hunter alignment rack for a loooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnng time (read- over 2 hours!) to get it that good, but with the right equiptment and a skilled tech it can be done.
Aaron
I had the H&Rs and concur with the above. My car was often at -3.5, with -2.5 being about the best anyone can hope for.
Now I have Eibachs and run at -1.5. The look is not as sick as the H&Rs, but the ride and tire wear is much improved.
Now I have Eibachs and run at -1.5. The look is not as sick as the H&Rs, but the ride and tire wear is much improved.
Well, I have Neuspeed springs and my rear camber is at -9 degrees!!! 
well, maybe not, but it seems like it. My rear tires look like this.... / \ 
Still waiting for someone to make a camber kit.
- Z
well, maybe not, but it seems like it. My rear tires look like this.... / \ Still waiting for someone to make a camber kit.
- Z
are you sure you don't have bilsteins with the lower perch setting? -5 sounds too extreme.
I did put the springs on the lower perch, but i had no idea it was going to affect camber as much as it did. i think i am going to make some ofset bushings where the adjuster bolt goes though to try and pull that wheel back just a little bit more i will let you know how it goes
The Man said:
Holy Cow, H&R's and the Bilsteins on the lower perch!
This I gotta see!! Please post pictures, your car must be pancaked to the ground. - Z
I heard that the front comptech offset ball joint bushings will work in the lower rear arm and if put in backwards can reduce the camber by 1 degree. Just installed them in the front of my car and have some crazy camber for a track car. Maybe check with comptech and see what they say.
simple solution!
just turn those corners harder so u use that extra camber!!
I run 4-6 deg in the rear and it wears evenly on the track.
Eddy
just turn those corners harder so u use that extra camber!!
I run 4-6 deg in the rear and it wears evenly on the track. Eddy
s-zero said:
Does this work? Anyone tried it? Also, still no rear camber kit...right? If so, what's the hold up :frown:
Re: simple solution!
I agree. tires are cheap compared to the reduced grip in the back end. I would rather buy the tires every year, than to risk a guardrail during my many spirited on/off ramp excursions! :biggrin:
Eddy said:just turn those corners harder so u use that extra camber!!
Eddy
I agree. tires are cheap compared to the reduced grip in the back end. I would rather buy the tires every year, than to risk a guardrail during my many spirited on/off ramp excursions! :biggrin:
Why none of these "NSX Specialists" have come out with a fix for this is beyond me.
When you enter the realm of -4 degrees of camber and beyond in the rear you're not putting much of a tire patch on the road and there might be some control trade offs. Those on ramps guard rails might get closer if you can't sustain sufficient speed to keep the tires down. At -6 dgrees of camber I'd think your tire patch would be the size of a bicycle tire when going straight.
Looks cool though. :wink:
There is no fix yet except to raise your car. I put Tein RA's on and set the ride height with the specs on the Dali site. Down 46mm in the rear and 30mm in the front below stock. I was able to get the camber in the rear to
-2.25. Car feels so much better but for the record I don't track the car.
I'm a poser. :redface:
Looks cool though. :wink:
There is no fix yet except to raise your car. I put Tein RA's on and set the ride height with the specs on the Dali site. Down 46mm in the rear and 30mm in the front below stock. I was able to get the camber in the rear to
-2.25. Car feels so much better but for the record I don't track the car.
I'm a poser. :redface:
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yes comptech makes front camber bushings.
http://www.comptechusa.com/store/160030.html
heres the link :smile:
http://www.comptechusa.com/store/160030.html
heres the link :smile:
---------------brahtw8 said:
I am a bit surprise that you get -1.5 on the rear with Eibach?? I can only get -2.3
pbassjo said:
Trust me, no problems on the sufficient speed here! :biggrin:
Even @ -6 camber, the outside rear tire WILL lay flat even under slow speed corners, thus giving great grip. But each NSX owner has to decide what they want. Not everyone has a NSX that is 100% street, or 100% track. Most fall somwhere in-between. Without installing custom adjustable camber and caster plates, we as owners need to find our "personal" happy medium. For me it is easy, I want 100% grip, and could care less about wear. But I am at the extreme end of that spectrum. For people who are worried about tire wear, but want a little lower stance, look at the Tein coilovers, or Eibachs, with Bilstiens. Those who are extremely worried about tire wear, but want to do a auto-X, or a track event, your only real option would be a coilover such as Tein. You could stiffen up the shocks, and lower the ride height for the event, and then make it plush and OEM height for the ride back home.
If you get the H&R's, you will have tire wear PERIOD. If you drive very few miles a year, and just do weekends, or car shows, you will be fine. I would suggest using a tire around 300, to have them last a bit longer.
The camber is 1/3 of the wear equation. Treadwear rating is an issue. If you are running H&R's with a 160 treadwear tire, you will be buying tires before the year is over. A higher #, is harder rubber, but here too is a trade off. The lower the # the better the grip, but faster wear. Higher obviously has a longer life, but will slide and squeal.
Improper toe settings can also wear out your tires faster as well. Then high-speed stability is the trade off. We can't have everything!!!!!!
I still say give me all of the grip, and stability and keep the new tires coming! :wink:
I was being sarcastic on the -6 (which is always stated per specific corner, NOT a pair) -6 is EXTREME for the street, but my points were that even at -6, the outside rear would still lay flat while cornering. Yes it would ride like a bike while going straight. Also my other points were that toe is a major factor in tire wear, along with many other points that I made.
I don't have the flashiest website, but the deals I can get for you are! :biggrin:
I don't have the flashiest website, but the deals I can get for you are! :biggrin:
I think you have a very nice site. I would not hesitate to call if the need/desire should arise.
If Honda was running specs in the rear like -4,-5,-6 per side we'd still be trading tire certificates. At - 6 per side what could you expect? 2000 miles, if that, before the tires are worn in just one section? I think at -6 degress camber per side, 2000 miles would be ambitious before your rear tires are worn to max in just one area.Negative camber is an important ingredient in the "race world" where extremes, and the limits are the norm.
In the race world,say for example NASCAR, tires are disposable and never expected to give 1000 miles of service.
I could be wrong but I believe folks like "The Man" want their cars lower but not to "break the bank" on tires.
Acceptable track specs may not be what they need. What they want is a NSX rear camber kit.
We who have looked at and studied the NSX rear suspension understand why there is not one on the market. Too hard to make.
If they make one, I'll buy!
If Honda was running specs in the rear like -4,-5,-6 per side we'd still be trading tire certificates. At - 6 per side what could you expect? 2000 miles, if that, before the tires are worn in just one section? I think at -6 degress camber per side, 2000 miles would be ambitious before your rear tires are worn to max in just one area.Negative camber is an important ingredient in the "race world" where extremes, and the limits are the norm.
In the race world,say for example NASCAR, tires are disposable and never expected to give 1000 miles of service.
I could be wrong but I believe folks like "The Man" want their cars lower but not to "break the bank" on tires.
Acceptable track specs may not be what they need. What they want is a NSX rear camber kit.
We who have looked at and studied the NSX rear suspension understand why there is not one on the market. Too hard to make.
If they make one, I'll buy!
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pbassjo said:
I concur... I put Tein RA's on as well and set to the specs Tein recommend. Result in -1.5 front. -2.5 rear.
This is a good track/road compromise IMHO.
pbassjo said:I think you have a very nice site. I would not hesitate to call if the need/desire should arise.
If Honda was running specs in the rear like -4,-5,-6 per side we'd still be trading tire certificates. At - 6 per side what could you expect? 2000 miles, if that, before the tires are worn in just one section? I think at -6 degress camber per side, 2000 miles would be ambitious before your rear tires are worn to max in just one area.Negative camber is an important ingredient in the "race world" where extremes, and the limits are the norm.
In the race world,say for example NASCAR, tires are disposable and never expected to give 1000 miles of service.
I could be wrong but I believe folks like "The Man" want their cars lower but not to "break the bank" on tires.
Acceptable track specs may not be what they need. What they want is a NSX rear camber kit.
We who have looked at and studied the NSX rear suspension understand why there is not one on the market. Too hard to make.
If they make one, I'll buy!
Amen!!
jgtcnsx said:
For those that are weekend warrior, half of this kit can be use for the rear. Which will help only about 1 degree correction. Same with the front, using half the kits. Which will be enough for most guys that don't push the car hard enough to take advantage of the negative camber anyway.
For those looking to extend their tire life on the street, you can install it to add camber (opposite orientation).
Warning, this bushings are not easy to install.
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Explain this more please.
If you go to:
http://www.comptechusa.com/store/160030.html
You will see these offset bushing parts designed for the FRONT of the NSX to give MORE negative camber for race applications. If you want LESS negative camber for the rear you would install them essentially backwards in the rear arms. As Andrie mentioned using half would mean you could install only the lower bushing and offset the hole inward, or install the upper bushing to and offset the hole outward. Probably the later would lead to less possible interference issues, but I have not done this.
In order to install these you will need to remove the arms and press the bushing in/out.
HTH,
LarryB
http://www.comptechusa.com/store/160030.html
You will see these offset bushing parts designed for the FRONT of the NSX to give MORE negative camber for race applications. If you want LESS negative camber for the rear you would install them essentially backwards in the rear arms. As Andrie mentioned using half would mean you could install only the lower bushing and offset the hole inward, or install the upper bushing to and offset the hole outward. Probably the later would lead to less possible interference issues, but I have not done this.
In order to install these you will need to remove the arms and press the bushing in/out.
HTH,
LarryB
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