Retrofiting: TL Brembos on NSX?!

[760NSX]

Brembos are junk. They flex, they fade and they just plain suck. The only thing you're paying for is the name. The NSX OEM brakes are even better than they are. If you want a true upgrade get a set of StopTechs or AP Racings

If that was true then we wouldnt see brembos on stock cars like Lambos or Ferrari's. Im pretty sure Brembos are good. Yes just a name, but a big KNOWN name just like buying rims but people buy HRE's due to the brand and name and what they are known for. Thats why I bought both :biggrin:

 

[MJK]

2 piston or 2 pair ?

2 Pistons on each front caliper, only on the inside of the brake disk.
1 Piston on each rear caliper, on the inside of brake disk.

 

[robfenn]

As someone has mentioned OEM Brembos aren't always good. My dad had an Alfa GTV with them and they were awful. An aftermarket Brembo kit would be better, full stop.

AP Racing have recently their new 6 pot/4 pot kit for the NSX. Our NSX has the very first set up. It uses their latest technology so you can guarantee it will be the best. Sadly, it won't be cheap though!

-Rob

 

[Yellow Rose]

I am pretty sure the Nsx also sports a 4 caliper piston.....

Incorrect.

Each front NSX caliper has two pistons and each rear NSX caliper has one piston.

 

[xdriver]

ok, timserting will take care of the caliper mounting situation. the rotor is already mounted on the hub. the tl rotor has a smaller hat dimension then the itr one. i machined the diameter off the hub by 2.3mm. the rotor fits fine. as soon as i have time to timesert the caliper i can figure a way to correct the offset if it needs too.

FWIW, this is not a upgrade ill be doing since i already have spoon 4 piston calipers on. this is just a retro-fit just to see if it can be done or not.

 

[Onsoku]

Brembos are junk. They flex, they fade and they just plain suck. The only thing you're paying for is the name. The NSX OEM brakes are even better than they are. If you want a true upgrade get a set of StopTechs or AP Racings

Brembo's are not junk...modern day Brembo brakes are part of OEM packages for AMG and other builders...my heavy C320 SS will outbrake any OEM NSX repeatedly...

 

[Yellow Rose]

Brembos are junk. They flex, they fade and they just plain suck. The only thing you're paying for is the name. The NSX OEM brakes are even better than they are. If you want a true upgrade get a set of StopTechs or AP Racings

From the movie "Clear & Present Danger" I think you are using too much of your own product.

You are absolutely clueless about the performance of Brembo brakes.

 

[satan_srv]

I am pretty sure the Nsx also sports a 4 caliper piston so I dont see the performance advantage of just swapping out the calipers.

It's 2, at least the 91-96 is for sure..we ugrade preludes from 1 to 2 piston using NSX or Legend calipers

 

[robfenn]

From the movie "Clear & Present Danger" I think you are using too much of your own product.

You are absolutely clueless about the performance of Brembo brakes.

He isn't wrong, car manufacturers give Brembo a call and say "We need brakes that don't cost more than $XX per car" and then Brembo through ANYTHING together.

With expensive cars, like an AMG Mercedes, the brakes can cost more, so quality goes up to aftermarket standards.

-Rob

 

[Yellow Rose]

Apples - Oranges

He isn't wrong, car manufacturers give Brembo a call and say "We need brakes that don't cost more than $XX per car" and then Brembo through ANYTHING together.

With expensive cars, like an AMG Mercedes, the brakes can cost more, so quality goes up to aftermarket standards.

Respectfully, Rob, you too are wrong. Yes, the AMG runs six-piston Brembo calipers, but many OEM cars run four-piston Brembo calipers, which are intuitively better than any factory two-piston caliper, such as the factory NSX front brakes.

Cars that I can think of, off the top of my head, less expensive than the mega AMG running Brembo brakes are.....

Viper, Cadillac, Subaru STi, Evo Lancer, Infiniti G35 (was), Nissan 350, F, P, etc.

Have you driven any of the above cars or an NSX fitted with Brembo? I doubt it, because had you, you would not agree with him as stating that Brembo sucks.

 

[robfenn]

Do you work for Brembo? :biggrin:

Can i please direct you to my opening post: "As someone has mentioned OEM Brembos aren't always good"

I have not stated Brembo suck, and i haven't stated OEM Brembo always suck. What i tried to make out is that Brembo doesn't always equal quality. They often sell out their enviable image in the name of profit. Manfufacturers love associating their cars with the Brembo name because it gives the cars kudos, and Brembo are keen to make money. Standards slip.

I am merely trying to assist fellow members. I wouldn't want to risk them wasting money when they could buy an aftermarket kit which is better and in some cases, cheaper.

If you feel the brakes on an STI et al are adequate, then that is your opinion. Thanks for the derogatory comments all the same

-Rob

 

[docjohn]

Sound like you are infering that brembo "subs" out some manufactering of its' oem kits,,do you know that for a fact?It is unfortuneatly all too common in the world of brand names that there are varying levels of quality behind names we associate with quality/performance.One example close to home is the Zymol in the blue bottle which is really a turtlewax product.So is there something about brembo we dont' know? :wink: You are closer to Italy :tongue:

 

[robfenn]

It is not all Brembo's fault, if manufacturers are only willing to pay a miserly amount then they ain't going to get a 50 piston monobloc caliper! It's just a shame they are willing to risk tarnishing their brand.

Brembo actually own AP Racing, who don't do any road car stuff. Maybe they are the back up incase their brand does diminish? What supports that arguement is that the two companies are completely seperate, and AP Racing if any brake specialist has a better reputation then it would be AP. They didn't merely merge with AP, so it will be interesting to see how that develops.

-Rob

 

[xdriver]

finally got the calipers mounted on the knuckle.. all i have to do is pressed the hub back on and check for rotor clearances.

 

[xdriver]

i just wnated to give you guys the headups that i finished the conversion on my integra with ITR suspension. everything works and fits fine. im assuming it will work for you nsx guys as well.

 

[OLDE GUY]

One may want to work your way through this thread on "Understanding Braking Dynamics" before making changes to your NSX brakes. The fact that both the static and dynamic front to rear weight distributions of the NSX are quite different than the TL is a major consideration. It's not just about number of pistons per caliper or swept area. There are reasons that the rear brake rotors on the 1997 and later NSXs are larger than the fronts. The rear brakes of the NSX do a much higher percentage of the total braking. This is one of reasons that the NSX is so beautifully balanced under brake/turning (trail braking). If you put brakes on an NSX from a front engine car, you will have too much front brake bias for optimal performance. Read more here:

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57074