Ran into a fellow NSX'er at the gun range...

NeoNSX said:
Those weapons are very cool, and should definitely be treated with a lot of care & respect. There's no way we'd ever see hardware like this in Australia. Enjoy your gun freedom while you can... until your government decides nobody can be trusted with a weapon. (Which will never happen in the USA, but has happened here in Australia)
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Never say NEVER. Remember, the US attempted to ban alcohol in the roaring 20's. That led to a surge in violence and crime.

Unless people vigilantly protect their rights, freedoms can and will be taken away, all in the name of "for the good of the people".

I respect and appreciate the police and all the good that they do. I have friends who are police officers and we get together to go shooting every once in a while.

However, as has been shown by Hurricane Katrina and the New Orleans flooding, people cannot always rely on law enforcement to save them. We must be prepared to defend ourselves.

Here is a great article that I clipped and saved:

Why I Carry - by Will Dougan

The question "why do you choose to carry a firearm?" has haunted me.

I am a fairly normal guy. I love to eat barbecue, I pay taxes, I vote. I'd like to take my wife out more often (to eat barbecue), I attend church and I'm a baseball fan - just like many other men in Memphis.

One thing that makes me different from some of those men is that I carry a gun. I do so because I truly believe that preserving the safety and well-being of my wife, my children and myself is my duty.

Do I think there are villains around every corner waiting to pounce? Certainly not. To quote the Boy Scout motto, my intent is only to "be prepared."

I carry a spare tire in my car, have emergency supplies at home, and always wear my seatbelt, all so that I will be prepared. I have used my spare tire twice, never used the emergency supplies and found my seatbelt's restraints necessary only once. So why do I still maintain all those safeguards? Because I know that when I do need them, I'll need them desperately.

For me, a handgun is much the same - a safeguard. I carry it and train with it just in case I ever need it.

I hope never to need my gun. I avoid places I think might not be safe. I pay close attention to what is going on around me, so that I can stay one step ahead of potential dangers. I do not look for trouble nor go around with a chip on my shoulder.

I love my family more than anything on Earth. I want my children to grow up, go to school, move out and give me grandchildren. I want my wife and me to live and love each other until death do us part - when we are very, very old. The thought of losing them or having them lose me makes my eyes well up and lodges a lump in my throat.

I grew up in rural Madison County, where guns were a part of life, not something to be feared or mistrusted. We all had them, we all used them, and we all respected them.

A gun was and is a tool - nothing more, nothing less. You would never know my gun is there; it is safely tucked away in a manner that renders it harmless unless it is called upon. When you are at my home, there is no sign of a firearm; they are all stored in locked safes.

I take my duty as husband and father seriously. Part of that duty is being willing and able to protect my loved ones - from drugs, economic dangers and physical threats. The words of my father ring in my ears: "With great privilege comes great responsibility." I carry a gun because it is my responsibility alone - not that of the police, nor the government, nor the community - to defend the precious lives that God has entrusted to me.

Although I have great distaste for the possibility of taking a life, I recall the words attributed to St. Augustine: "Though defensive violence will always be a 'sad necessity' in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men."

Fathers are like sheepdogs. We must be persistent, gentle, playful and, at times, ferocious. On occasion, we must become like the wolf that threatens our flock.

For me, that means owning, carrying and undergoing extensive training with a firearm, so that when the wolf appears out of the shadows, I will be prepared to defend what the Master has given me.
 
Here's my arsenal. And I'll tell you, when one of those rockets hit's you in the eye it stings like a mofo.

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DocL said:
Here's my arsenal. And I'll tell you, when one of those rockets hit's you in the eye it stings like a mofo.
LOL :biggrin:

That is banned in my state, under statute A.R.S. 52-11345s, sub-section 12: Any weapon that is manufactured by NERF or under its license are prohibited from purchase by any civilian.

I feel safer knowing that's kept out of civilian's hands. :tongue:
 
On guns...um...assault rifles are used in like .26% of crimes. They are not a serious factor, even in homicide.

One should focus on the elimination of cheap, disposible, low-quality guns. The odds that a full-auto kit is going to be used in a crime after being stolen are EXCEEDINGLY low. Full auto crimes are rare, as are ANY crimes using large guns. Why? Why oh why? B/c they are HARD TO CONCEAL. And thugz in tha 'hood gots to be able to creep on somebody without everyone and their mother knowing they're coming.

"Real" "assault" rifles are far too unwieldly for usual criminal purposes. The only utility of these weapons is for laying down rounds. I.e., useful for protection against riots and other insurrection, or against soft-armored targets. This usage does not typify average criminal behavior, not by any stretch. It's much ado about nothing. The most popular murdering weapons are still .38 specials and other very COMMON calibres.

What is TRULY bizarre is that you can pick up a full auto AK47 in Pakistan for like $250 - a Russian. Here, it'll run you like 100x that. Totally ridiculous.
 
matteni said:
Cairo94507 - I enjoyed your posts on this topic VERY much and appreciate your comments. Personally, I am leaning against guy ownership because of all the "knuckleheads" as you call them. When you add up the criminals and the "knuckleheads" together - I fear they far outnumber the law abiding and completely responsible gun owning public. If there were more people like you - I would have absolutely no problem with it. Unfortunately, you are in the minority sir. If people like you don't stand up to "their own" when gun owners are acting reckless and immature, then there will be more gun laws and restrictions and I for one will be a big supporter.
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Nick, I hope you are posting in jest. There are an estimated 200 million guns in the US. There are millions of NRA members.

There are not millions of people dying in the US due to unlawful gun ownership.

If you can quote a scientific study that shows that the number of criminals (who are banned from legal gun ownership) and "knuckleheads" far outnumber the law abiding and completely responsible gun owning public, I would respect and listen to that fact.

What you stated is a completely illogical "gut logic" that just simply does not stand up to scrutiny.

What I fear the most is that people do not make logical decisions when it comes to guns, but react out of fear and ignorance. That is the most frightening and saddest thing one can possibly see.
 
liftshard said:
On guns...um...assault rifles are used in like .26% of crimes. They are not a serious factor, even in homicide.

One should focus on the elimination of cheap, disposible, low-quality guns. The odds that a full-auto kit is going to be used in a crime after being stolen are EXCEEDINGLY low. Full auto crimes are rare, as are ANY crimes using large guns. Why? Why oh why? B/c they are HARD TO CONCEAL. And thugz in tha 'hood gots to be able to creep on somebody without everyone and their mother knowing they're coming.

"Real" "assault" rifles are far too unwieldly for usual criminal purposes. The only utility of these weapons is for laying down rounds. I.e., useful for protection against riots and other insurrection, or against soft-armored targets. This usage does not typify average criminal behavior, not by any stretch. It's much ado about nothing. The most popular murdering weapons are still .38 specials and other very COMMON calibres.

Thank you Liftshard, very true what you just posted.

I agree , walking down the street with the rifle may not have been the best idea. Next time I'll take more care in transporting it.
 
NSXrebel said:
I agree , walking down the street with the rifle may not have been the best idea. Next time I'll take more care in transporting it.

Yes...you were showboating. I was in Arlington on Sunday with a couple assault rifles, two pistols, and a Ruger 10-22 in my trunk. I did not get any of them out. I just showed a friend them in the trunk, here, take a LOOK. Had we been somewhere private, sure, he could have examined them. But this is a street w/ a bunch of restaurants on it, people dining outdoors, kids, etc. I do not want to cause a panic and there's no real "safe place" to keep the muzzle pointed. And, that is rule 1 of gun safety, isn't it?


As for the previous post about "knuckleheads" and crooks outnumbering the law abiding...that's absolute bullsh!t. There are well in excess of 100 million gun owners in the USA. What outnumbers what is that PUBLICITY by the PRESS of knuckleheads and criminals grossly outnumbers press and publicity of the GOOD. People are lent the impression by only hearing bad news that there is nothing but bad news and no good news. This is a quirk of human nature routinely exploited by advertisers, marketers, politicians, and the press.
 
matteni said:
From the non partisan Center of Health Studies (http://www.centerforhealthstudies.org) research and web site:

"About 35 percent of homes in the United States with children younger than 18 years report having at least one gun. Of these, 43 percent have at least one unlocked gun. " There is also significant evidence that people lie and say they lock them up much more then they lie and say they don't so the numbers appear to be "generous".

So what? In the town I grew up in, in more than 35% of homes the KIDS owned guns. They had hunting rifles, which are of far higher power than any assault rifle or pistol. My best friend had a 7mm right in his bedroom just leaned up against the wall. So what? Unlocked guns..."children under 18"...and?

Having an unlocked gun (period) but especially in a house with children under 18 makes you a "knucklehead" IMO.

Oh, bullsh!t it does. Whether you are a knucklehead or not cannot be assessed by this ONE criterion. Puhleaze, man. One must WONDER ALOUD how so FEW children die of accidental gunshots. It's like 1/4 of 1% of accidental deaths. Having a SWIMMING POOL and children makes you FAR more of a knucklehead.

Look - I don't want to hijack your thread. Furthermore, I am personally not for taking away guns from responsible people in this country. I am for responsible ownership as a privilege. If you are too charged up to accept that there are people that don't agree with every single gun lobbyist and activist in this country - that is not my problem.

Listen, bud, it's you who is charged up, with this hyperbole. YOU are the one demonizing by resort to use of strawmen such as "gun lobbyists," whoever the hell they are. I got a tip for you - you aren't arguing w/ gun lobbyists. All you see here is people, regular people.
 
Edited out all previous comments and again I apologize to the OP for wandering off topic. The person I wanted to compliment got the message and everything else should have been in a new thread or PM.
 
matteni said:
Edited out all previous comments and again I apologize to the OP for wandering off topic. The person I wanted to compliment got the message and everything else should have been in a new thread or PM.
Thanks Nick.

I'm all for responsible gun ownership. I just want to make sure that people who are anti-gun discuss the issues intelligently rather than act out of some irrational fear.

Nothing is worse than making poor decisions based upon hysteria and irrational fear.

The gun control debate is something that we will not resolve here. What's important is that we are responsible gun owners, so that if SHTF, we are prepared American citizens ready to help defend our homes, neighborhoods, and country.
 
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