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[fastaussie]

Im my own opinion. I think the nsx is limited to modifications unless you have buckets and buckets of cash. Do I love the car? F@$k yeah I do. Is it practical? Oem style yes. Modified, absolutely not. 25 years difference in car production is leap years beyond todays standards. Just my opinion. I can drive my other cars for creature comforts. But when I want a raw drive, the nsx flexes its muscles. I myself am at a fork in the road as to wheather or not dump more cash into the car to chase the new bug I have been having or buy something more modern. But as I said before. The nsx is a keeper and not going anywhere for me. It can be quite a love and hate relationship though. Just read some build threads. Once you start modifying, it never ends...

for me, it isn't worth it. my '02 Imola is all stock, and that's the way i like it. it would cost a lot of money to make it modern Supercar fast, or even new Mustang fast. i personally don't see the point. i love it for what it was in it's time, and that time was 25 years ago.

i can only laugh when someone tries to explain how a '99 NSX is superior to a 2009 R8 in every way. and then i laugh harder when they say they've never driven one. absolutely clueless...

My buddy Jason had a newer NSX with a turbo. He sold it and has a 09' R8 V8 6-spd manual. He likes it, just every small thing is super expensive and blown way out of proportion to any non super car. It has been reliable to him so far as to just the car working, just small things breaking or squeaking. The shifting on that thing is sweet, I think its cool with the AWD, already has huge brakes and such. He likes lots of power and thinks its not enough, not enough TQ. I think its plenty fast for a car and wouldn't want anymore. If i didnt ride motorcycles and not have demon speed on tap when I wanted then i can see why you would want a fast vehicle to get a rush or something though. I like it because its an awesome car right out of the box and dont need to get all this bullshit like KWV3's, BBK's and just general shit since its already really good and upgrading would just be dumb unless you bought it to be a race car on your private track next to your mansion in the south France. Although in the long run it should be cheaper than a used R8.

The coolest thing though is he is now in these super car clubs and such, seems to be fun and new perks and people to hang with that made a same car choice as you.

i agree. the R8 is ready to go right out of the box. and the stock 430 horsepower V8 will absolutely annihilate any non-extremely modified NSX.

here's my take; just keep the NSX as the classic it is, and buy an R8 for the modern day Supercar it is...

 

[B-E-A-S-T]

for me, it isn't worth it. my '02 Imola is all stock, and that's the way i like it. it would cost a lot of money to make it modern Supercar fast, or even new Mustang fast. i personally don't see the point. i love it for what it was in it's time, and that time was 25 years ago.

i can only laugh when someone tries to explain how a '99 NSX is superior to a 2009 R8 in every way. and then i laugh harder when they say they've never driven one. absolutely clueless...



i agree. the R8 is ready to go right out of the box. and the stock 430 horsepower V8 will absolutely annihilate any non-extremely modified NSX.

here's my take; just keep the NSX as the classic it is, and buy an R8 for the modern day Supercar it is...

Is that true? A mildly modified i.e. Bolt on Supercharged NSX has no chance against a stock R8 V8? Interesting...

 

[Patricio]

That is absolutley not true...
A mildly modified NSX will wipe the floor with an fat pig of a older 430hp R8.. and many other modern supercars.

Especially a 430hp R8 only has a power to weight ratio of 8.3 and is 3600lbs... A mild FI nsx is around 400whp 475hp and can easily weigh 3000lbs which translates to a PW of 6.3.. thus 25% more acceleration than the R8.

As far as handleing 3000 lbs vs 3600lbs has a 17% weight advantage not to mention NSX with modern tires widths 235/295 (same as audi R8) are documented by data loggers to hold 1.1-1.2G compared to .98G of the R8
Thus 10-20% more latteral hold.. and no one will argue the NSX chassis is still one of the most capable chassis ever designed.

As far as relative cost... you can spend 20k-30k on FI or (stroker 3.5L engine), coilovers and modern wheel tire widths on an appreciating NSX... And your still far from costing you the annual depreciation of any new supercar or even the 1-2 year maintenace of a used supercar out of warrenty.

So there you have it, a mildly modified 3000lb / 400whp NSX has:
25% faster PW acceleration
17% lighter wieght
10-20% higher latteral G
And lower operating/ownership cost

No way on earth a older R8 has even a remote chance.
Even newer V10 R8 only improves in the power department with 575hp it has a PW of 6.3 (same as this mild NSX subject) yet still has the same 3600lb weight and latteral g dissadvatantage.... so yes a properly lightly modded NSX is VERY fast car. But it does take a better driver to harness the speed of an analog NSX than a electro-nanny R8.

I'm NA 3.0L with 300whp/350crank on oem internals with 6.9pw 2440lbs and holding 1.2G (motec data confirmed)... thus 17% more acceleration. 33% lighter and 20% higher G.
I can massacre an older R8. And look 100x cooler while doing it in my rare, appreciating, vintage modded ricer..

 

[fastaussie]

Is that true? A mildly modified i.e. Bolt on Supercharged NSX has no chance against a stock R8 V8? Interesting...

i've driven a "mildly" modified NSX with a supercharger and exhaust system. it wasn't at all impressive by modern day Supercar standards.

it was supposed to have around 330 horsepower i believe? 60 horsepower more than stock. which is still 100 horsepower down on an R8, and also 100 ft. lbs. of torque down on an R8. and without the launch and grip benefit of modern electronics, tires and AWD.

so you do the maths B-E-A-S-T, and don't worry about everyone who will tell you the NSX is the best car ever made from 1991 to 2075.

That is absolutley not true...
A mildly modified NSX will wipe the floor with an fat pig of a older 430hp R8.. and many other modern supercars.

Especially a 430hp R8 only has a power to weight ratio of 8.3 and is 3600lbs... A mild FI nsx is around 400whp 475hp and can easily weigh 3000lbs which translates to a PW of 6.3.. thus 25% more acceleration than the R8.

As far as handleing 3000 lbs vs 3600lbs has a 17% advantage not to mention NSX with modern tires widths 235/295 (same as audi R8) are documented by data loggers to hold 1.1-1.2G compared to .98G of the R8
Thus 10-20% more latteral hold.. and no one will argue the NSX chassis is still one of the most capable chassis ever designed.

As far as relative cost... you can spend 20k-30k on FI or (stroker 3.5L engine), coilovers and modern wheel tire widths. And your still far from costing you the annual depreciation of any modern supercar or even the 1-2 year maintenace of a used supercar out of warrenty.

So there you have it, a mildly modified 3000lb / 400whp NSX has:
25% faster PW
17% lighter wieght
10-20% higher latteral G

No way on earth a older R8 has even a remote chance.

I'm NA 3.0L with 300whp/350crank on oem internals with 6.9pw 2440lbs and holding 1.2G... thus 17% more acceleration. 33% lighter and 20% higher G.
I can massacre an older R8. And look 100x cooler while doing it in my rare, appreciating, vintage modded ricer..

i think it's more than reasonable to say the definition of "mild" DOES NOT apply to what you're describing. you're talking about making 200 MORE horsepower than a stock NSX (475 to 270), which is almost double!

you've evidently dropped 600 to 800 lbs. from your personal car also, which is quite significant and not minimal. obviously, as you've done all the numbers for us, you've got a much lighter car with much more power, the results should speak for themselves. but i seriously doubt your quarter mile time is 25% quicker than a stock R8?

again, i think your definition of mild differs from mine and everyone else's. it sounds to me like you've spent about the same amount of money modifying your car as what you actually spent to purchase your car stock?

a stock R8 weighs anywhere from 3400 to 3700 lbs. a stock NSX weighs around 3200 lbs in the non-dream world. as far as all your updated suspension, wheels, tires etc., you've just proven the post's point of how outdated the NSX is, because it actually is.

if you want to throw heaps of money at anything you can make it fast, but if you want to keep things 'mild', time and technology will win every time...

p.s. as for whether or not you look cooler, that's highly subjective.

 

[Patricio]

Your making a good argument. Let me elaborate further.

Thats what every turbo puts down. 400-435whp is actually 470-500 at crank.... angus turbo 10k installed, love fab 15k installed, sos 20k installed... or a high boost CTSC.. 12k installed .. or a fully built ITB SOS motor on e85. Which is 20k installed.. for 380whp..
which is MILD compared to the real cost comparison and annual depriciation and maintance of an R8. Not to mention collector car insurance is 600 a year vs new exotic insurance is thousands a year and the tax on the purchase price of an 100k car..

As far a even milder is a NSX with bolt ons can do 280whp/325hp crank and be 2800lbs... that equals 8.5pw thus 3% slower but still 23% lighter weight and still hold the same 10-20% G advantage thus still beating an old R8 overall.

An old R8 does 12.9 stock that is slow.... and just as fast at many bolt on NSX's have done on prime.. the NSXR ran 12.7.... I don't like testing 1/4 mile since it's the equivalent of kicking the car in the balls ... I ran 12.91 when I had 270whp and was 2600lbs. 8.1PW and I did not launch the car.. my 60ft was only 2 sec which is a very slow launch.. a 1.7 sec launch is agressive (magazine testing speed). Thus .3 seconds where left in the launch. Equalling a 12.6 1/4 if lauched hard and have video I can post with those details including the 60ft time... the car now is allot faster and would run around a 12flat.

As far as 1/4 times have become highly deceptive as a performce measure since AWD and launch control have impproved launch by .5 secod or more... and thus have added the notion of a car that is .5 a sec faster in the 1/4 is actually allot faster than older cars.... but that same acceration advantage does not exist once both cars are rolling... meaning in reality an older analog car that does 12 sec in 1/4 actually accellerates just as fast as a 11.5sec newer AWD launch control car.. thus giving all new cars around .5 sec deceptive advantage in acceration comparisons to older cars. Unless it's just about bragging and not about real acceleration comparisons.

 

[B-E-A-S-T]

Your making a good argument. Let me elaborate further.

Thats what every turbo puts down. 400-435whp is actually 470-500 at crank.... angus turbo 10k installed, love fab 15k installed, sos 20k installed... or a high boost CTSC.. 12k installed .. or a fully built ITB SOS motor on e85. Which is 20k installed.. for 380whp..
which is MILD compared to the real cost comparison and annual depriciation and maintance of an R8. Not to mention collector car insurance is 600 a year vs new exotic insurance is thousands a year and the tax on the purchase price of an 100k car..

As far a even milder is a NSX with bolt ons can do 280whp/325hp crank and be 2800lbs... that equals 8.5pw thus 3% slower but still 23% lighter weight and still hold the same 10-20% G advantage thus still beating an old R8 overall.

An old R8 does 12.9 stock that is slow.... and just as fast at many bolt on NSX's have done on prime.. the NSXR ran 12.7.... I don't like testing 1/4 mile since it's the equivalent of kicking the car in the balls ... I ran 12.91 when I had 270whp and was 2600lbs. 8.1PW and I did not launch the car.. my 60ft was only 2 sec which is a very slow launch.. a 1.7 sec launch is agressive. Thus .3 seconds where left. Equalling a 12.6 1/4 if lauched hard and have video I can post with those details including the 60ft time... the car now is allot faster and would run around a 12flat.

As far as 1/4 times have become highly deceptive as a performce measure since AWD and launch control have impproved launch by .5 secod or more... and thus have added the notion of a car that is .5 a sec faster in the 1/4 is actually allot faster than older cars.... but that same acceration advantage doe not exist once both cars are rolling... meaning in reality an old car that does 12 sec in 1/4 ilactually accellerates just as fast as a 11.5sec newer AWD launch control car

What are your thoughts on the J Swap Twin Turbo kit with 600+rwhp and 600+rwtq that LoveFab talks about offering for $15k and then recover $$$ by selling the C engine to bring the cost down to under $10k all-in? I wonder what kind of performance a car like that would have...?

 

[fastaussie]

you're factoring in depreciation of stock modern cars, versus modification money to old NSX's. your comparisons are apples to lemons at very best.

a 325 horsepower NSX will get its arse handed to it by any car with 430 horsepower. especially a modern AWD car.

meaning in reality an older analog car that does 12 sec in 1/4 actually accellerates just as fast as a 11.5sec newer AWD launch control car.. thus giving all new cars around .5 sec deceptive advantage in acceration comparisons to older cars. Unless it's just about bragging and not about real acceleration comparisons.

you know exactly the distance half a second makes at the dragstrip. 5+ car lengths easily, maybe more depending on trap speed. an eternity you'll never make back...

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What are your thoughts on the J Swap Twin Turbo kit with 600+rwhp and 600+rwtq that LoveFab talks about offering for $15k and then recover $$$ by selling the C engine to bring the cost down to under $10k all-in? I wonder what kind of performance a car like that would have...?

you'll never spend only $10,000...

 

[Patricio]

[MENTION=22734]B-E-A-S-T[/MENTION]..

It's probably the best bang for the dollar performance gain out there... save your engine and beat the hell out of the J to your hearts content...

But it really depends on what you want.. In my opinion any thing over 450whp quickly becomes unusable for anything other than 1/4 mile times and a short press of the gas puts you into highly illegal speeds. Thus limiting how much you can actually enjoy the "thrill of full throttle" which is a seperate experience in its self.

There's a reason most performance cars even 911 GT3 and ect are famous for being fun.. they always hovered in the mid 6PW to 7PW range becuase that's where you can have allot of analog fun..
When you put 600hp into a 3000lbs car that's the same 5PW as a bugatti vyron. And mostly a high speed straight line monster unless your a pro driver with a right foot that's as sensitive as a baby's bottom... without all the techo-nannys can get you in a lot of trouble real quick.. you won't be holding the gas to floor very often.

So it's a matter of how you like to use the car.. and obvioulsy that level of power will need some serious brakes to stop it along with making sure everything is ready to do 150mph.

The NSX is a cornering monster of a chassis, so my personal preference has always been to improve it realtive to whats it was built as... this why I wouod gravitate twards a 350-400whp NA or FI C engine or J engine and a 2600-2700ish lb target which equals around a mid 6 PW and maintains its amazing drivability and handeling and driver control. And still able to hold the throttle down for a few seconds. without hitting 150 to quick. And enough to run a mid 11 1/4 mile.

 

[fastaussie]

And lower operating/ownership cost

electro-nanny R8.

do elaborate please.

how do you reckon a heavily modified car will be cheaper to maintain than a stock one? and explain your electro nanny comment?

 

[Patricio]

you're factoring in depreciation of stock modern cars, versus modification money to old NSX's. your comparisons are apples to lemons at very best.

a 325 horsepower NSX will get its arse handed to it by any car with 430 horsepower. especially a modern AWD car.



you know exactly the distance half a second makes at the dragstrip. 5+ car lengths easily, maybe more depending on trap speed. an eternity you'll never make back...

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you'll never spend only $10,000...

hp means nothing without factoring the weight.. that exact expample u quotes the R8 with 110hp more only accelerates at 3% faster due to its weght.. which is nothing compared to its total weight and handleing disadvantage.... nor is AWD a magic contraption that overcomes a 23% weight disadvantage in corners nor braking zones and corner speeds... and drag racing lauch advantages equals nothing once cars are rolling or on a race track....

FI 400whp nsx uses oem internals and don't cost much to maintain... thats well documented on prime.

Electronnanys are all the crap electronics that go bad in modern cars and dampen the pure enjoyment of a anoalg car that somone actually has to learn to drive.

I never said only 10k, your not reading the posts and your misinformed on nsx modifications.... there's no sense discussing further.

Happy motoring.

 

[fastaussie]

i understand all of it, very well. professional companies pay me a lot of money for this very reason.

everyone understands that less weight to move from a stop equals faster acceleration. which also means that weight becomes of less relevance once a vehicle has been moved from a standing start (while going straight). and torque is what moves a vehicle from 0 miles per hour, not horsepower. but like i said, a half second advantage is still a half second advantage.

and obviously, less weight while moving is less weight to stop in a breaking zone, and less weight to transfer while cornering, less lateral load on tires. etc., etc. i can go on all day.

and no, AWD is a huge advantage in all areas of performance. launch, cornering, earlier throttle application/drives off corner, etc. perhaps this is why the new NSX has gone that same route? just a hunch?

if you can't answer questions based on simple vehicle dynamics that you're arguing, just say that. don't try and insult my automotive intelligence...

 

[Jinks]

Fastaussie, you run the Audi R8 training program out at Sonoma right?

 

[Patricio]

Fataussie.
I can quote the same basic knowlege I learned go kart racing at 15 years old like you just quoted and it proves nothing of yours nor my knowledge...

The higher speed air resistance TQ/HP advantage you mention does not even come into play on a typical race track, where a 8PW car will not get over 110-120 mph at most and when it does its only on the longest straight away of a track for very few seconds.... that wind resistance acceration has no advantage at 40-80mph where most of track time is made where the NSX in the example holds higher G than the R8 with AWD already factored into the equation.

Your comparison of TQ vs HP does not take into account gearing and equivalent "work" done.. you know it's not just a matter of TQ always being more important. If it where that simple our nsx that puts out 20-30wtq more at 6500rpm than at 7500 would not pull noticably harder at 7500rpm than at 6500rpm... as you know HP is a measure of work done mutiplied TQ by rpm/gearing... not to mention a 16000rpm 750hp F1 engine only puts down 250tq

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A shorter conclusion:
Your thought process is the same as people who can't grasp why a lower hp and lighter RWD 911 GT3 turns faster lap times than same generation heavier AWD 911 turbo with more hp

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If you want to get really technical with aero dynamics at high speeds.
The NSX has a CdA of 6.13 vs the audi R8 is 7.71 which also gives the NSX a 21% aerodynamic advantage meaning it needs 21% less power to achive the same high speed.

The NSX is amoung the lowest CdA of production cars ever so that's very hard to beat.... im sure you know that "Cd" coefficent that is commonly advertized by nowadays amoung the new big fat cars means nothing... what matters is Cd * frontal area which = CdA

The R8 has a Cd of .36 but has huge frontal area of 21.42sqft = 7.71 CdA.
The nsx has a Cd of .32 and small frontal area of 19.2sqft = 6.13 CdA
Car manufactures love to leave out the info that matters.

We could also take into account the AWD drivetrain is around 5% less efficent than a very efficent Mid rear wheel drive car.. thus making that 430hp V8 have the equivalent of 410hp on a non AWD car.

Overall R8 is cool car... but it's not a superior chassis to the NSX which can be made extremely light, fast and reliable . As many have proven over the years on this forum.

 

[Jinks]

Is that true? A mildly modified i.e. Bolt on Supercharged NSX has no chance against a stock R8 V8? Interesting...

There is some truth in the posts here but there is also a whole lot of hype. My supercharged Nsx is fast. But it ain't that fast. Also, with the Nsx when you change one thing, it affects the other. Patricio knows his shit but is being a little bit reserved here. Getting an early model Nsx up to date with a modern day super car takes a TON of money and time. It's not like you just unbolt parts to dump weight and then go challenge modern engineering. That is foolish to think that way in my opinion. Beast, if you enjoy tinkering with cars, the Nsx will offer a ton of things to modify to bring it to modern spec. If your like me and do not want to spend 50,000 dollars on a 90's car and all my time to get there, get the R8. I also find it ridiculous to say that swapping a J motor with a twin turbocharged set up in an Nsx will cost you 15,000 dollars. That is absurd. If you believe that, then hey, I am a flying spahghetti monster! You cannot even get a low boost ctsc for a early model installed for less than 10K....

 

[B-E-A-S-T]

There is some truth in the posts here but there is also a whole lot of hype. My supercharged Nsx is fast. But it ain't that fast. Also, with the Nsx when you change one thing, it affects the other. Patricio knows his shit but is being a little bit reserved here. Getting an early model Nsx up to date with a modern day super car takes a TON of money and time. It's not like you just unbolt parts to dump weight and then go challenge modern engineering. That is foolish to think that way in my opinion. Beast, if you enjoy tinkering with cars, the Nsx will offer a ton of things to modify to bring it to modern spec. If your like me and do not want to spend 50,000 dollars on a 90's car and all my time to get there, get the R8. I also find it ridiculous to say that swapping a J motor with a twin turbocharged set up in an Nsx will cost you 15,000 dollars. That is absurd. If you believe that, then hey, I am a flying spahghetti monster! You cannot even get a low boost ctsc for a early model installed for less than 10K....

See this thread with costing from Patricio, there is another one where Cody of LoveFab talks about a twin turbo J Swap Kit for $15k not including install labour... http://www.nsxprime.com/forum/showt...S-Horsepower-100ftlbs-TQ-gain-on-a-N-A-J-Swap

 

[Jinks]

See this thread with costing from Patricio, there is another one where Cody of LoveFab talks about a twin turbo J Swap Kit for $15k not including install labour... http://www.nsxprime.com/forum/showt...S-Horsepower-100ftlbs-TQ-gain-on-a-N-A-J-Swap

I have seen it before. But I do not agree that it is a simple bolt on and go. This option seems to me like a long winding road. If you know the right people than yes it might be beneficial. Just my take on the situation. Also, do you mind your car being a shop for half a year? I am not trying to make it seem as though your not educated on such. I am merely saying, if you want to just turn a key and go pick the R8. If you want a challenge, pick the early model Nsx.
This is like my suspension choosing thread here on prime. I get so many one sided reviews on something in particular and nothing about anything else. It's healthy to have perspectives from both sides. I am not a track racer but tinkering with the suspension and power plant of an Nsx is a challenging art. An art a guy like me does not have. I love the Nsx but not enough to choose a lower quality home to chase the dream of it conquering everything in its path. I'd rather spend the money elsewhere. As I said before, read some build threads here. They NEVER end... There is always the next mod and the next upgrade. At some point a line must be drawn to decide when to stop. Unless of course, your a track racer with sponsorships.

 

[fastaussie]

Fataussie.
I can quote the same basic knowlege I learned go kart racing at 15 years old like you just quoted and it proves nothing of yours nor my knowledge...

The higher speed air resistance TQ/HP advantage you mention does not even come into play on a typical race track, where a 8PW car will not get over 110-120 mph at most and when it does its only on the longest straight away of a track for very few seconds.... that wind resistance acceration has no advantage at 40-80mph where most of track time is made where the NSX in the example holds higher G than the R8 with AWD already factored into the equation.

Your comparison of TQ vs HP does not take into account gearing and equivalent "work" done.. you know it's not just a matter of TQ always being more important. If it where that simple our nsx that puts out 20-30wtq more at 6500rpm than at 7500 would not pull noticably harder at 7500rpm than at 6500rpm... as you know HP is a measure of work done mutiplied TQ by rpm/gearing... not to mention a 16000rpm 750hp F1 engine only puts down 250tq

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A shorter conclusion:
Your thought process is the same as people who can't grasp why a lower hp and lighter RWD 911 GT3 turns faster lap times than same generation heavier AWD 911 turbo with more hp

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If you want to get really technical with aero dynamics at high speeds.
The NSX has a CdA of 6.13 vs the audi R8 is 7.71 which also gives the NSX a 21% aerodynamic advantage meaning it needs 21% less power to achive the same high speed.

The NSX is amoung the lowest CdA of production cars ever so that's very hard to beat.... im sure you know that "Cd" coefficent that is commonly advertized by nowadays amoung the new big fat cars means nothing... what matters is Cd * frontal area which = CdA

The R8 has a Cd of .36 but has huge frontal area of 21.42sqft = 7.71 CdA.
The nsx has a Cd of .32 and small frontal area of 19.2sqft = 6.13 CdA
Car manufactures love to leave out the info that matters.

We could also take into account the AWD drivetrain is around 5% less efficent than a very efficent Mid rear wheel drive car.. thus making that 430hp V8 have the equivalent of 410hp on a non AWD car.

Overall R8 is cool car... but it's not a superior chassis to the NSX which can be made extremely light, fast and reliable . As many have proven over the years on this forum.

well Patricio, in truth i have seen VW Beetles that are way faster than your NSX. anything can be made to go fast if you throw enough money at it, fact.

you're right, obviously the NSX chassis is the best in the world, even when compared to car designs almost 30 years newer. so i will have to concede this argument. or maybe it's because i simply have better things to do.

but thanks heaps for educating me on the coefficient of drag and acceleration and such. i'll pretend i didn't already know. also, while you're at it, maybe try and learn the correct spelling of "acceleration" and "coefficient" before you try so hard to drive your points home?

p.s. i drive the GT3 and Turbo S all the time, same day, balls out on the same race track. some may say that's the difference between a race car and a street car, but again, thanks for clearing up the obvious...

There is some truth in the posts here but there is also a whole lot of hype. My supercharged Nsx is fast. But it ain't that fast. Also, with the Nsx when you change one thing, it affects the other. Patricio knows his shit but is being a little bit reserved here. Getting an early model Nsx up to date with a modern day super car takes a TON of money and time. It's not like you just unbolt parts to dump weight and then go challenge modern engineering. That is foolish to think that way in my opinion. Beast, if you enjoy tinkering with cars, the Nsx will offer a ton of things to modify to bring it to modern spec. If your like me and do not want to spend 50,000 dollars on a 90's car and all my time to get there, get the R8. I also find it ridiculous to say that swapping a J motor with a twin turbocharged set up in an Nsx will cost you 15,000 dollars. That is absurd. If you believe that, then hey, I am a flying spahghetti monster! You cannot even get a low boost ctsc for a early model installed for less than 10K....

what he said. this is obviously a smart man with common sense...

 

[Patricio]

First if all i respect this form and will not reduce myself to worthelss offensive, and pointles comments... other than that spelling check refrences are hillarious... And yes a VW beetle joke.. hillarious.... quite the explanation.. you have added nothing of value to this argument. Not a single fact nor test, documentation.. not a damn thing..

You may want to notice the NSX chassis built by factor X on a budget by a small shop with zero factory support... amoung hundreds of other big budget exotic company builds. took 5 track production car track records which includes the highest modified chassis in the world from ferraris mclauren lamborghini and also includes your R8s regulesss of HP.... the NSX broke all the fastest modified production car records by over 3 seconds on some tracks..... and even broke GT2 records by a few seconds.. and almost matched GT1 records... thats how fast a "unmodified" NSX chassis is.
Yes take a moment and let that soak in...

Then please tell me how the NSX chassis has not been proven beyond the R8 chassis.. and i would love to see these VW bettles holding 1.2G you speak of.. that will beat my car..

Interesting how people turn to nonsense when they have nothing of substance.... Please post a spec of data, a link, a refrence of your experience.. anything other than your opinion or sarcastic insults

 

[fastaussie]

Please post a spec of data, a link, a refrence of your experience.. anything other than your opinion or sarcastic insults

no... :biggrin:

 

[B-E-A-S-T]

no... :biggrin:

Looks like he folded...

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[fastaussie]

Looks like he folded...

ok, fine!

https://youtu.be/9RDcl_XDgs0

 

[prym8]

Could Patricio and Fastaussie be speaking for 2 of the main kinds of NSX enthusiasts, ie owners of early modified coupes vs unmolested later targas?

I could see how they are philosophically never going to match up.

 

[Jinks]

For someone looking into buying an R8 versus an nsx, may I just say 1 thing. The R8 is a total chick magnet. The Nsx is a dude ranch on wheels. Why do I feel this way? My wife never wants to drive it nor ride in it. She thinks it is uncomfortable, outdated, and not practical... On the other hand, and please hold you tongue till the end primers... The Nsx is fun to drive, is a classic, has sleek sexy lines, and in my opinion is a guys ride. The R8 is the best of both worlds. It provides street comfort and ease of use. Tell me anyone here, would your wife rather have an R8 or a 90's Honda with an engine swap? I already know the answer....
Happy wife happy life. Or you could continue to chase a faded out dream from the 90's and sink almost half a mortgage into a car to impress dudes. That is the comparison as I see it. Sure you could have a old Nsx smoke a new super car. Hell, if you search YouTube you can also see a 900 hp E39 turbo bmw race a Bugatti and win. It's all a matter of if you have little man syndrome or not. Be the fastest scrappiest guy in the fastest car. Or be the laid back one driving more comfortably and not look like your 18 years old...

 

[fastaussie]

you're not wrong about the attention factor. women don't care less about NSX's, but blokes love 'em. personally i don't care what anybody else likes, because i'm the one driving it, and i buy and drive what i like. i love my NSX, and i like the R8 very much also. the ladies sure love Audi's however.

and as i have said already, and showed with the video a few posts back, you can take anything with wheels and make it faster than anything else if you want to sink heaps of money into it. an old VW Beetle that went 8 seconds in the quarter mile? yep, that happened!

does that make it better than a newer model R8, or modern Supercar?

 

[Jinks]

you're not wrong about the attention factor. women don't care less about NSX's, but blokes love 'em. personally i don't care what anybody else likes, because i'm the one driving it, and i buy and drive what i like. i love my NSX, and i like the R8 very much also. the ladies sure love Audi's however.

and as i have said already, and showed with the video a few posts back, you can take anything with wheels and make it faster than anything else if you want to sink heaps of money into it. an old VW Beetle that went 8 seconds in the quarter mile? yep, that happened!

does that make it better than a newer model R8, or modern Supercar?

So does your wife like the R8, or an Nsx swapped with a motor from a mini van?:biggrin: