|Adeel said:
- You haven't driven it, how can you know?
- Engine is in the back, but if you try a GT3, it will leave you wondering why the car does'nt feel heavy in the rear. Try a GT3/ new 997! You just won't beleive how german engineers have overcome the engine-in-the-rear problem! Of course, if you turn off all the electronic aids, and push the car on a slippery track, it will scare the life out of you
- It has 480 hp, not 460. A Porsche buyer wouldn't care less
Because he knows that the engine is capable of much, much more. Porsche is like Honda, they want the reliability to be there
I'm sure they could hit the 600 hp mark easily, but they leave these kind of things to the tuners... RUF, Gemballa, TechArt have all 600 hp Porsches in their tuningprogram, and Porsche knows that very well.
- If you are spending that much on a car, you know that you are up to loosing/spending great amounts of money on it. And, if you are afraid of loosing money this way, why buy this car? Buy some value-increasing property instead or something like that...
- Why? If you buy a Turbo that is what you want. Between the choices of Turbo, GT2 and GT3 - you know what you want... Turbo is the all-year supercar, GT3 the trackcar and the GT2 is the stripped rwd turbo with a little bit more power...
- You can always lower the car, change its shoes and give it a new exhaust
I think people are being negative just because it's a Porsche
Yes, well all your points are valid, Adeel. I haven’t driven it, of course, you are right. I admire your ambitions, anyway you already have more and better cars than I have. And you are way younger so I respect you all the more. You will probably be one of the few people here to achieve having that car. Respect.
But because we all spend many hours a year in our cars, I specifically moved here because it’s still possible to drive in a fun/crazy way, all the time, city or countryside without looking in the mirror for cops etc..:biggrin:
I like to have fun every time I’m driving my car.:biggrin:
Would I have fun in the Porsche every time I drive? Not sure. Maybe. Well, ok, probably.
If I had a lot of money, enough to buy that car, I’d be in a good mood ALL the time anyway, so it probably would be fun.:biggrin:
But because I pathetically don’t have any money, I have to find some other way to be critical, just like everybody else on this thread. :wink:
I am an engineer and I object to the 911 engineering principle. Suspension and handling are my pet peeve.
Before the war, Mr. Porsche (partially, granted) designed some other cars, the Auto Unions, for example. While engineering/production was of the finest level, the design sucked.
Swing arm suspension rear, torsion front. Terrible, and the bad handling gave mid-engine cars a bad rep for many years afterward. They didn’t understand anything, only how to make something finer and finer.
Then, not learning anything and typically Porsche “Don’t Change Their Dumb Design Because We Don’t Know How To Change”, they stuck to the terrible suspension design for 40 years!!! Boy, were they dumb. Only by putting a bigger engine in were they able to keep up with everybody else . Even while all the other cars were running circles around them in the handling department (road and race, except in dune buggies, whoa), they still had primitive suspension/handling/layout based on the pre-war Beetle, the “People’s Car”.
The Trabant was also a “People’s Car” although better engineered. Still had swing axle though! Talk about fixation!
The “People’s Car”. So is the 911. Even now, many “people” have a 911. The modern version of the “People’s Car” and very nice too, I admit. But the Beetle was “nice” back then too. So was the Trabant “nice” for those guys. Linoleum was “nice” back then too. The 911 is nice now.
OK, I’m “people” too, and, believe me, we are scum. Our cars are not engineering design wonders. We think anything is “nice”.:redface:
Only recently (what, 20 years ago) have they ditched their hopeless suspension design and adopted A-Arms, for example. Engine is still in the trunk though. Fuel tank at the front so, as it empties, the balance of the car changes. Come on.
They even caved in and moved the engine to the middle in their flagship car. That says something, doesn’t it?
But it’s discontinued now. That says something too, doesn’t it?
When I go to a historical car show and see all types of cars lined up next to each other by age, and I see a Porsche, well…sad. Nicely produced, but sadly designed.
Now, 30 years later, they have finally engineered their dumb design out of the dark ages, which is an admirable achievement, but it’s still a dumb design.
I’m sure it now handles properly, ok, but since I won’t be driving one anytime soon (I’m poor scum) I can only look at what interests me, and that’s the design.
Sorry Adeel my friend, I’m not trying to flame you. I will admit even I wouldn’t say no if one were offered to me, and if I had lots of money I would have one in my stable too. I admit it. But I don’t admire the car.
Peter
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