Re: Tamoske
That makes you just as complicit as Tamoske in stealing from the Prime members. You were aware all along of his failure to make the parts for the group buy and his repeated misrepresentations about his intentions to complete the group buy. You did this all while transacting IPhones with him for what you thought would be profits in YOUR POCKET.
You then capped it off by endeavoring to trick him into shipping parts, rightfully owed to others in the group buy, so that you could keep them to make yourself "whole" for your failed IPhone side deal. It was only after you took shipment of "the final batch of parts" that you informed the community of Tamoske's intentions to build his NSX from stolen monies.
That makes you as guilty as Tamoske.
This is not the situation at all, are you even reading my responses?
When I sent iphones to Tamoske, it was between his first, and second, group buy - he was still a reliable source at this time, and had not screwed anyone over. I was trying to make profit, in my pocket, with what was a reliable foreign vendor. This is when things went wrong, not just for participants in the group buy, but for me as well; I was waiting for payment from tamoske, just as people were waiting for tracking information from tamoske, and was receiving only excuses ("I can't sell the phones until I have all 40", etc.), just as group buy members were getting "bad forms, needs more shining things, etc."
By the time I realized Tamoske was a scammer, everyone realized he was a scammer - he created the "prestige" account, because "tamoske" was suspended - tamoske was suspended, because of PM abuse, but if you remember, this abuse was done well after he should have shipped parts, once everyone had doubts about him. I had sent the phones weeks before, as it takes time for them to arrive to Lithuania, clear customs, become unlocked in time for Christmas, etc.
So, I entered into a transaction (iphones) with what was a reliable vendor, I received excuses as to his delay of payment to me, the excuses became a little long in the tooth, then he started lying to me.
Prime members from the group buy entered into a transaction with what was a reliable vendor (from the first GB), received excuses as to his delay in shipping parts, the excuses become long in the tooth, then he started lying to them.
It's the same situation, only GB members were waiting on $450, and I was waiting on $20,000.
CL65 Captain said:
John... I'm glad that you got your $ back. However, I think you suck!
That's your right, however, when these parts were sent to me, they were sent with the understanding they would be sold, then the funds would be transferred back to Lithuania, where they would be used to buy additional parts for Tamoske's nsx. There were three options:
1. Sell the parts, send the cash to Lithuania, hope Tamoske decides to send me cash in a few months, then a few months later (2009?) decides to produce cf parts for nsxprime members.
2. Sell the parts, recoup my losses, and even out my $20,000 loss - waste my time, stress, and interest on the $20k I sent to Lithuania at the end of 2007.
3. Give away the parts to nsxprime members, even out their $450 loss, but take a $20,000 hit, as Tamoske would still feel as though he was cheated, and I would have no way to recover the money he owes me.
So, looking at these three options, which would you have chosen?
If you read my response, I know its tempting to skim it, as its way down the list (unfortunately, despite my request, it cannot be brought to the top of this thread, to receive equal standing), you would know that while I suspected Tamoske of cheating, as did the entire nsxprime forum, the only proof I had of his dishonesty was related to my business dealings with him (iphones, spats, etc.), never did he say "hey john, the shining thing is BS, I am not sending consoles", although even if he did make such a statement, I don't see how it would change anything - it would mean he scammed nsx prime, which everyone pretty much realized 6-8 months ago, and he scammed me, which I knew last September.