One less Enzo in the world
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I just love this guy's story...he let some German guy he only knows as Dietrich drive his car. I wouldn't even let people close to me drive my NSX, so why would I let someone I barely know drive a million dollar Enzo?
it sounds to me like "dietrich" is the same "dietrich" that used to be in the radio car commercials... that "dietrich" was never actually spotted, eitherakira3d said:
NSXrunner said:OK I am going to duck under the table for being a cold hearted bastard on this, but here goes. I am mad that the guy survived.Personally if he is that stupid, then he is taking up space in this world and wasting the air that non idiots breathe. Whats worse is he has money, give the money to someone with common sense. With great hp power comes great responsibility, learn some common sense, and how to drive for gods sake. If you can afford that car then take some driving lessons, and maybe an IQ test, "the driver ran away", holy crap may as well have said the dog was driving!!!
Isn't that a little over the top?
Dtrigg said:
Hmm... ya THINK? Geez, some people.
NSXrunner said:OK I am going to duck under the table for being a cold hearted bastard on this, but here goes. I am mad that the guy survived.
People make bad decisions and exhibit bad judgment all the time. Often times with far more tragic outcomes than this. Here's a better example. It's part of being human.
All I have to say is that if you're going to sentence people to death or to lenthy prison sentences for making poor decisions, there are going to be a lot of dead or incarcerated people- and neither preventitively inhibits bad behavior or really solves anything. Your knee jerk response is akin in my mind to euthanizing your pet for peeing on the carpet.
You would seem to be in the increasing majority whom believe that to be culpable for a bad act (actus reus) a person doesn't have to exhibit any degree of criminal intent or a “bad mind” (mens rea). The real question is what price is one willing to enforce on society simply to make themselves feel a little better about past circumstances.
The fact is that you're in no way even connected to this situation, and you're ready to sentence a man to death you've never even met given a news article on the internet? I could at least relate to your frustration had he struck another car with your wife and kids in it and killed them- but you don't even know all the facts yet which couldn't possibly emerge for some time.
IMHO, I would have to agree with other posters, in that such a harsh rush to judgment is most definitely excessive.
Me being the super detective that I am, reading ALIENT's article link from Europe that stated Erikkson was a professional race car driver in Europe, and through reading 29 pages of jibberish on the ferrarichat site, I came across some interesting info.
I googled his name and came up with a match that drove in the 24 hours of Lemans last year. He was driving a 360 that was sponsered by Gizmondo, the same company he worked for, or defrauded people out of money from. Seems too much of a coincidence to me.
He is the one in the middle of the three. Heck, I guess if you can drive at Lemans you can drive your Enzo at 100 plus down PCH.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/schuey1/lemans-2005ERIKSSON.jpg
I googled his name and came up with a match that drove in the 24 hours of Lemans last year. He was driving a 360 that was sponsered by Gizmondo, the same company he worked for, or defrauded people out of money from. Seems too much of a coincidence to me.
He is the one in the middle of the three. Heck, I guess if you can drive at Lemans you can drive your Enzo at 100 plus down PCH.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/schuey1/lemans-2005ERIKSSON.jpg
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buahahahahaaha... john, your post is a hoot!John@Microsoft said:
i bet "the facts" that explain how this guy was driving down the road at, oh, mach 6000, then had an accident that absolutely destroyed the car (somehow miraculously not killing anyone else or destroying large amounts of property) and THEN fled the scene on foot will somehow make us feel better than he survived.
nope, not a chance... not from me. i'm a family guy whose son and 9 year old granddaughter live in the area this accident occurred in.
nature's a bitch, but hopefully it'll catch up with this clown before he kills someone other than himself.
edit: oh, and john... there ARE lots of dead OR incarcerated people who made bad decisions and then got caught.
queenlives said:
You obviously don't agree, which is fine. However, no one is going to sway my opinion that just because someone bangs up their Enzo on some back road without significant consequence, that others are entitled to judge that person's life in their entirety, and are somehow entitled to retribution as extreme as sentencing them to death as a pre-emptive measure simply to make themselves feel better.
If you really feel that way, then IMO you're more selfish then he.
to be clear:John@Microsoft said:
1) i'm not trying to sway your opinion, simply presenting mine.
2) i'm not judging that person's life in their entirety, but rather their their lack of judgement regarding the safety of others (easily demonstrated by high speed on public roads, destruction of the vehicle, passenger in the car and, finally, fleeing the scene. <i have my doubts on this, btw. could well be the "passenger" was actually the driver, but we'll wait for the case to be evaluated>)
3) i'm not looking for retribution, but rather for nature to do what this driver seems incapable of doing - help this driver stay in his/her driving skills range.
4) i'm not sentencing this driver to death but rather hope that s/he finds their driving skill limit before seriously injuring or killing others.
yup, that's me: MR selfish... for not wanting this driver to kill someone due to their inability to limit their racing/reckless driving to the race track.
schuey1010 said:
Even if you're a Lemans driver......doesn't mean that you can drive down PCH at 100MPH without killing anyone else or yourself. On the track, it's a control environment. No dog, no cat, no pothole and etc.
NSX 3.0 said:Already a piece of it on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8040875409
LMAO... The questions from Buyers and his responses are hilarious!:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
queenlives said:
For the record, I am in most cases anti-death penalty and anti-zero tolerance type legislation for numerous reasons, which may be the root differences herein among our opinions.
queenlives said:
Well, I would agree that there is no question that 120mph + on 101 during the day, even in the more rural sections is fairly careless even if you did win the 24 Le Mans in your 360 challenge years back. I have driven that stretch many times, and there is just no way at those higher triple digit speeds that you can account for everything. It is impossible while maintaining enough margin for error to account for unforseen circumstances. It's also frankly entirely unneccessary in terms of 'fun factor'.. and negligent with a passenger- consenting or not.
queenlives said:
Some people find their 'limit' without incident, others with 'incident', and still others never find it because they kill themselves or someone else prior either on a race track or on a public road. I would have to say that to an extent, that is just the way things typically work out by the very nature of driving. Perhaps he was a pro-racer and from Le Mans and knew his limits and screwed up this one time, or perhaps he just 'had a few drinks' and carelessly decided to go racing with his friend, or perhaps he was entirely inexperienced and shouldn't have even been driving a new Civic. I myself don't have the facts to judge, but I just don't see how wishing this guy would have died in the accident would going forward have helped anything, let alone his future driving skill.
queenlives said:
Not attempting to start an argument, but my intepretation of NSXRunner's comments is that he wished the owner would have died in this off-road excursion, then your comment comes forth as implying that it would have made you and your family feel safer had that occured. These types of comments come off as being very selfish to me, as it would mean that many believe their life is worth more than his. That is very judgemental IMO, even God-like. The fact is these types of 'incidents' happen several times a day, and the effort need be made to curtail them in ways that actually work.
Maybe one solution would be that real life could be made to work like GT4, whereas you can't buy the 650hp Enzo, you have to get the proper license and win it. :wink:
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<sigh> if only....John@Microsoft said:
queenlives said:
Zymol!!! :biggrin:
Hmmm appears my statement may have ruffled some feathers. Ok I will admit my thoughts were "over the top". But lets not gloss over the facts. Enzo man was drunk, driving wrecklessly, on a public street. Think about how you would feel next time you are driving down the road, with your family, or someone you care about, enjoying life. Then Enzo man, who obviously isnt too bright, zips by, loses control, takes you out, kills the person you care for. While he walks away with a busted lip, a fine, some time in jail (if his lawyer sucks) and buys another Enzo while you are left with an empty void in your life where your loved one used to be. I know it cant be helped being an nsx owner myself when it comes to being leadfooted and shall we say careless, but I draw the remorse line when people choose to drink and drive. Thats all. :smile:
NSXrunner said:
The event you just described happened to a freind of mine last year. He lost a wife and a child.
Save the racing for the track. End of story.
The crazy part is that this accident is getting so much attention because of the car he was driving. This is ALL over the net right now. If they do find that he was the driver, he'll probably just be cited for DUI and slapped on the wrist. It won't even be a big deal to him. He'll just kick the red Enzo to the curb and go drive the black Enzo that he already owns. These kinds of accidents happen every single day, but you don't always hear about them.
man, here we go again....ChopsJazz said:
NSX-Tuner said:Does the driver qualify for a Darwinian Award?
Nope. You have to be dead or lose ALL ability to reproduce to be a candidate for the Darwin awards... reminds me of the guy who got his balls caught in the golf ball cleaning thing-a-ma-jigee.:biggrin: :biggrin:
You ain't kiddin'. My wife took the kids and her mom to dinner last night, and while they were waiting, she overheard an older lady talking about the accident, mentioning how the Enzo was only one of four in the entire world.White92 said:
haha! :biggrin: If there were only 4 in the world and one was totalled like this, I could see how that would make the news.:smile:FuryNSX said:You ain't kiddin'. My wife took the kids and her mom to dinner last night, and while they were waiting, she overheard an older lady talking about the accident, mentioning how the Enzo was only one of four in the entire world.
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