Look, both cars have the same reverse-light/reflector:
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NSX vs RX7
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Batman, how about some Alprazolam or Fluoxetine? .... that might help!!
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Calling out EAC since dcjohnson is curious.
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Curious about what? What's going on in here? 
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sorry for sounding dumb but what is that blue car at the bottom of the those 2 pics? the top pic is an rx but what is the bottom car? yikes that has a nice ass.
Looks like a Koenigsegg
Well, I was curious to hear people's opinions or experiences with LSx powered FDs in comparison to the NSX. My understanding is that the fit and finish of the NSX is a step or two above and RX7, and that the RX7s other weak spot is the engine (in terms of reliability). A lot of people are now swapping in Chevy LSx series engines (LS1, LS2, etc.). (www.norotors.com)
I love both of these cars, and am considering my options following the completion of pharmacy school. I am just trying to weigh the pros and cons of an NSX vs a LS-powered FD.
I currently see the pros of the NSX as: a very refined product that is extremely reliable. High levels of fit and finish. The cons for the NSX are that it represents a moderately high cash out put front and that there would not be much for me to 'tinker' with on the car.
The FD pros are: Lots to tinker with while installing, and the purchase/install can be done in stages. The cons are: seemingly lower fit and finish, and a car that may not be usable for a while, hard to get a good feel for what the finish product will be in terms of ride/reliability.
I like working on cars and the swap idea is appealing despite the fact that I have never done anything of that magnitude.
I sent Batman a PM because he has owned an FD, NSX, and a GTO (same engine as what may be put into the FD) and was looking for his opinions. If anyone has any experience or can compare these two cars that would be great. My previous sports car experience is limited to my Dads old MGB and an s2000 I had prior to starting pharmacy school.
Oh, I would like to keep this thread constructive because I think both cars are great. I know I wouldn't really go wrong with either, but I know there are some people who have experienced both so I would like for them to share their 0.02 if possible.
Thanks!
I love both of these cars, and am considering my options following the completion of pharmacy school. I am just trying to weigh the pros and cons of an NSX vs a LS-powered FD.
I currently see the pros of the NSX as: a very refined product that is extremely reliable. High levels of fit and finish. The cons for the NSX are that it represents a moderately high cash out put front and that there would not be much for me to 'tinker' with on the car.
The FD pros are: Lots to tinker with while installing, and the purchase/install can be done in stages. The cons are: seemingly lower fit and finish, and a car that may not be usable for a while, hard to get a good feel for what the finish product will be in terms of ride/reliability.
I like working on cars and the swap idea is appealing despite the fact that I have never done anything of that magnitude.
I sent Batman a PM because he has owned an FD, NSX, and a GTO (same engine as what may be put into the FD) and was looking for his opinions. If anyone has any experience or can compare these two cars that would be great. My previous sports car experience is limited to my Dads old MGB and an s2000 I had prior to starting pharmacy school.
Oh, I would like to keep this thread constructive because I think both cars are great. I know I wouldn't really go wrong with either, but I know there are some people who have experienced both so I would like for them to share their 0.02 if possible.
Thanks!
The FD is much more reliable when I did the following:
1. Ceramic coated the intake plenums, turbos, rotor faces, ports, inter-cooler pipes
2. Ported the turbo waste-gates to eliminate boost creep which has gone up by 5psi on me once - costing me an engine since the ECU wasn't tuned at the time for boost over 10psi
3. Proper tune. I paid Excess engineering $400 to tune the FD with the PowerFC ECU. Of course supporting mods like injector and fuel pump upgrades were there. 10.8:1 A/F ratios at 15psi was very safe for pump gas.
Once I did all 3 the FD was uber reliable and never lost an engine
1. Ceramic coated the intake plenums, turbos, rotor faces, ports, inter-cooler pipes
2. Ported the turbo waste-gates to eliminate boost creep which has gone up by 5psi on me once - costing me an engine since the ECU wasn't tuned at the time for boost over 10psi
3. Proper tune. I paid Excess engineering $400 to tune the FD with the PowerFC ECU. Of course supporting mods like injector and fuel pump upgrades were there. 10.8:1 A/F ratios at 15psi was very safe for pump gas.
Once I did all 3 the FD was uber reliable and never lost an engine
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I have owned 2 LS1 FDs (built both myself), and now a NSX. I personally like the NSX better. The fit and finish is worlds apart in favor of the NSX. It's much more comfortable and user friendly. The LS1 FD is more of a brute, not refined but a lot of fun to drive. Again the comfort isn't there, little things like steering wheel doesnt adjust, not as much headroom for me (sunroof FD compared to coupe nsx). If you like tinkering with the car go FD, plus the joy of driving something you built is satisfying. The LS1 FD is lighter (mine was almost 2800 on the dot and almost 50/50 front to back and side to side), more powerful, and felt alittle more nimble, plus over 30mpg was nice too. Hope this helps.
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I have owned 2 LS1 FDs (built both myself), and now a NSX. I personally like the NSX better. The fit and finish is worlds apart in favor of the NSX. It's much more comfortable and user friendly. The LS1 FD is more of a brute, not refined but a lot of fun to drive. Again the comfort isn't there, little things like steering wheel doesnt adjust, not as much headroom for me (sunroof FD compared to coupe nsx). If you like tinkering with the car go FD, plus the joy of driving something you built is satisfying. The LS1 FD is lighter (mine was almost 2800 on the dot and almost 50/50 front to back and side to side), more powerful, and felt alittle more nimble, plus over 30mpg was nice too. Hope this helps.
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Yes, I forgot to mention that FD with LSx will not only have much more power than the NSX, it will do it reliably with equal to better MPGs, thanks to the high compression ratios of a stock LS2 - for example and low gear ratios of the t-56 tranny.
I have owned 2 LS1 FDs (built both myself), and now a NSX. I personally like the NSX better. The fit and finish is worlds apart in favor of the NSX. It's much more comfortable and user friendly. The LS1 FD is more of a brute, not refined but a lot of fun to drive. Again the comfort isn't there, little things like steering wheel doesnt adjust, not as much headroom for me (sunroof FD compared to coupe nsx). If you like tinkering with the car go FD, plus the joy of driving something you built is satisfying. The LS1 FD is lighter (mine was almost 2800 on the dot and almost 50/50 front to back and side to side), more powerful, and felt alittle more nimble, plus over 30mpg was nice too. Hope this helps.
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Thank you for your perspective. I feel that this is ultimately going to come down to a decision between building/tinkering vs getting in and driving. It is a tough decision because it is one that I will probably live with for a while. In one respect getting out of an NSX for little or no loss would probably be easier than getting out of a highly modded FD.
Do you have any experience with the s2000? How does the driving experience in the FD compare in terms of space, comfort, ride quality, etc? I know the NSX is a step up above the s2000 in all of these aspects.
I loved the s2000. My only real complaint (and it isn't even a real complaint, more of a preference) is that you have to work the s2000's engine really hard to get off the line and it revs high/is loud while cruising on the highway. I realize any LS powered car will have a ton more torque and cruise at lower RPMs, but how is the NSX in comparison to the s2000?
Thanks again everyone. This forum is great.
I will try not to go too far off from the RX7 topic, but I had an AP2 07 for 2+ yrs prior to my NA1. To me, the S2000 handles better in tighter turns and steering is more sensitive and direct. NSX is more stable at high speed sweepers with faster acceleration. I read mix reviews of the comparison in handle, and I think the reason is because people use words such as steering responds, numb steering, etc without clarifying the meaning, which people interpret them differently. Don't expect too much when you go drive one. Also, since most NSX have aftermarket suspension and wheels, make sure the one you test drive is setup properly. From my S2000 mechanic, he says NSX is harder to work on. (I don't know how true is that) Clutch is almost the same, might even be softer on the NA1s stock clutch.
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I would be curious how many high milage TT RX7s are using their original engines.
You can make anything reliable with enough money.
You can make anything reliable with enough money.
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In the FD's case, enough money to do a LS swap
LoL, NSX vs RX7 threads attracts a troll better than shit attracting flies
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NSX feels more planted on handling, but if and when u exceed the limit and the rear end goes out at high speeds, it's much harder to recover versus a FD's front-mid engine 50/50 layout.
I will give you that but calming they are reliable, is a joke.
LSX powered FD RX7s are still near the top of my favorite cars to drive. The RX7 has great weight distribution, suspension geometry, and handling and can wear VERY wide tires under the stock fenders. They are quite capable cars on track but you MUST invest in a good baffled oil pan for track use.
The NSX's mid-engine layout and 40/60 weight distribution is also very 'pure' for a mid engine layout while 50/50 is considered 'pure'/"ideal" for a FR layout. The NSX will not have the torque or initial response of the LS motor, but it has a very special characteristic of its own. Unfortunately the stock 91-94 gear ratio has a very tall 2nd gear in the NSX which makes the car feel a bit sluggish, outside of 2nd (80mph+) the car is much more alive. The JDM gear ratio or 6spd transmission fixes this.
The LS engine has a lot more torque, the gear ratio split is better (and can be quite good depending on what final drive ratio you go with) and can get great mpg cruising at 70mph on the freeway at <2,000rpm.
It all depends if you want a turn-key car that you can play with or something that requires a lot more work ahead of time. If this is your 'toy' car, then either would be great. But if this is your only car, the NSX would probably be a smarter choice.
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The NSX's mid-engine layout and 40/60 weight distribution is also very 'pure' for a mid engine layout while 50/50 is considered 'pure'/"ideal" for a FR layout. The NSX will not have the torque or initial response of the LS motor, but it has a very special characteristic of its own. Unfortunately the stock 91-94 gear ratio has a very tall 2nd gear in the NSX which makes the car feel a bit sluggish, outside of 2nd (80mph+) the car is much more alive. The JDM gear ratio or 6spd transmission fixes this.
The LS engine has a lot more torque, the gear ratio split is better (and can be quite good depending on what final drive ratio you go with) and can get great mpg cruising at 70mph on the freeway at <2,000rpm.
It all depends if you want a turn-key car that you can play with or something that requires a lot more work ahead of time. If this is your 'toy' car, then either would be great. But if this is your only car, the NSX would probably be a smarter choice.
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Well i've recently switched from FD to NSX and I must say they are very equal cars.
My Rx7 made 375whp on BNR Stage III twins. Home-made V-mount with PWR radiator, and a rebuild at 148,000 miles (first one). The engine was 100% reusable, no scaring to any of the housings as expected. Replaced all seals and gaskets for 750 dollars (try that on an NSX) and put it back together with the BNR's and ran it another 40k before it was T-boned and totalled.
Never really had reliability issues with it, but then again i KNEW how to take care of it unlike most owners who buy them blindly not knowing what to expect.
Simply adding a Air Filter to the cars that flows more air can throw the entire fuel supply system for a loop and cause detonation. Most owners did not realize this and caused premature failure of the engine without understanding it was totally avoidable with a fuel computer.
I also had better mileage than most due to the very precise tuning on the engine. I operated about 18mpg in the city and 28mpg on the highway. Not to bad for a nearly 400whp rotary.
Plus it was a blast on the track.
I would say that they are both awesome cars but if you get an FD, you HAVE to know what your getting into and what to look for. Most of it is covered in the RX7 manual but 98% of their owners fail to even read it.
Oh well!
Love em both!
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Performance aside, the NSX has MUCH better fit and finish. It should have, it cost more than two times as much!
My Rx7 made 375whp on BNR Stage III twins. Home-made V-mount with PWR radiator, and a rebuild at 148,000 miles (first one). The engine was 100% reusable, no scaring to any of the housings as expected. Replaced all seals and gaskets for 750 dollars (try that on an NSX) and put it back together with the BNR's and ran it another 40k before it was T-boned and totalled.
Never really had reliability issues with it, but then again i KNEW how to take care of it unlike most owners who buy them blindly not knowing what to expect.
Simply adding a Air Filter to the cars that flows more air can throw the entire fuel supply system for a loop and cause detonation. Most owners did not realize this and caused premature failure of the engine without understanding it was totally avoidable with a fuel computer.
I also had better mileage than most due to the very precise tuning on the engine. I operated about 18mpg in the city and 28mpg on the highway. Not to bad for a nearly 400whp rotary.
Plus it was a blast on the track.
I would say that they are both awesome cars but if you get an FD, you HAVE to know what your getting into and what to look for. Most of it is covered in the RX7 manual but 98% of their owners fail to even read it.
Oh well!
Love em both!
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Performance aside, the NSX has MUCH better fit and finish. It should have, it cost more than two times as much!
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Having owned 6 RX7's, 3 of which were 3rd gens. 1st was 503 whp, second was 602 whp and 3rd was 501 whp. I know a few things about them.
Both cars aren't even in the same catagory so it's useless comparing the two.
Having said that, I will never own another one.
Both cars aren't even in the same catagory so it's useless comparing the two.
Having said that, I will never own another one.
