NSX Succesor to be announced tonight? 7/11/05?

[TyraNSX]

Re: announcement tonight 7/11/05?

So will it be detuned next gen V8 F1 engine or detuned current spec V10 F1 engine? Would make sense to recoup some development & tooling costs from the V10 since it will all be useless after this season. Switch to some cheaper materials, lower redline, maybe it'll work.

 

[NetViper]

Re: announcement tonight 7/11/05?

So will it be detuned next gen V8 F1 engine or detuned current spec V10 F1 engine? Would make sense to recoup some development & tooling costs from the V10 since it will all be useless after this season. Switch to some cheaper materials, lower redline, maybe it'll work.

Didn't porsche do that with the motor from the Carrera GT?

 

[1SICKLEX]

NSX Successor to be announced tonight, '05 is final year of current model

Forgive me if this is a repost but I didn't see it here. THE NSX IS COMING BACK!!!

We've just received word that a memo was circulated to Acura dealers today regarding an announcement that will be made "this evening" with respect to the future of the NSX. In particular the memo advises that production of the current generation NSX will cease at the end of this year due to strict '06 standards for emissions and equipment in US, Europe and Asia.

In addition, the memo says that "it is too early to discuss specific details" (of the next NSX model), but it continues by saying that this "ultra high-performance vehicle will be just as groundbreaking as the 1991 NSX was when introduced fifteen years ago."

This is all we know at this point. If we were to guess, it seems that perhaps the official announcement will be released on http://world.honda.com.

UPDATE: we've just learned that "this evening" means 7PM Pacific Time.

UPDATE 2: Please note that the nature of the release that's coming at 7PM Pacific time is mostly about the end of the current NSX's run. It's only going to mention that Honda/Acura is currently developing the next generation NSX. There will be no mention of the timetable, but we're pretty sure it's not going to be available next year. We're hoping that there will be more information at the upcoming Tokyo Motor Show. If so, we better quickly figure out how to fund another trip there to cover it!
Last edited by Jeff on July 11, 2005 21:26

Acura Developing a Successor to NSX
Current Generation NSX Production to Halt at Year End


TORRANCE, Calif. 07/11/2005 -- To further enhance the division's performance image, Acura is developing a new sports car to succeed the award-winning NSX supercar. Acura also announced that production of the current generation NSX will cease at the end of the year due to the extensive retooling necessary to meet stringent 2006 emissions and equipment regulations for the U.S., Europe and Asia.

"We are committed to having an ultra high-performance vehicle in the Acura lineup in the future," said John Mendel, senior vice president, automobile operations. "It's too early to comment on specifics, but the all-new model will be just as groundbreaking as the 1991 NSX."

As the first-ever supercar from Japan, the NSX was created as a hand-built, exotic, mid-engine sports car that would establish entirely new levels of performance, refinement and drivability. The NSX went on sale in the summer of 1990 and the following year posted record U.S. sales of 1,940 vehicles. Through June of 2005, NSX cumulative sales totaled 8,854 in the U.S. and more than 18,000 worldwide.

During its 15-year run, the NSX has been showered with accolades including, Automobile Magazine's "Automobile of the Year and Design of the Year" awards, Popular Science's "Best of What's New," Road &Track's "Ten Best Cars in the World" list. Motor Trend magazine also named the NSX to its "Top Ten Performance Cars" list and touted it as "the best sports car ever built."

Acura designed the NSX as a technological and performance showcase. Among other innovations, it was the first production car to feature an all-aluminum body, chassis, and suspension and to utilize titanium connecting rods. It featured a transversely mounted dual overhead cam V-6 engine equipped with Acura's breakthrough VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) system and a variable volume induction system.

Over time, the NSX received continuous updates to ensure its competitiveness and popularity with serious sports car enthusiasts. The NSX has also captured multiple championships in the highest levels of sports car and prototype racing.

Additional Acura information and downloadable high-resolution images of the NSX are available at www.acuranews.com.

:smile: :smile:

 

[Tachyon]

Re: NSX Successor to be announced tonight, '05 is final year of current model

Yay!

 

[NetViper]

Re: NSX Successor to be announced tonight, '05 is final year of current model

Already posted 2x. Did you search or look in the HSC forum?

 

[NSXBOX]

Re: announcement tonight 7/11/05?

with the NSX any new news is better than no news.

 

[gtr]

Re: NSX Successor to be announced tonight, '05 is final year of current model

Already posted 2x. Did you search or look in the HSC forum?

I don't mind since this is big news :smile:

 

[NetViper]

Re: NSX Successor to be announced tonight, '05 is final year of current model

I don't mind since this is big news :smile:

True... NEW NSX!!!! WOOOHOOO!! :biggrin:

 

[MJK]

Re: NSX Successor to be announced tonight, '05 is final year of current model

Edit: News is on TOV:


Current Generation NSX Production to Halt at Year End

TORRANCE, Calif. 07/11/2005 -- To further enhance the division's performance image, Acura is developing a new sports car to succeed the award-winning NSX supercar. Acura also announced that production of the current generation NSX will cease at the end of the year due to the extensive retooling necessary to meet stringent 2006 emissions and equipment regulations for the U.S., Europe and Asia.

"We are committed to having an ultra high-performance vehicle in the Acura lineup in the future," said John Mendel, senior vice president, automobile operations. "It's too early to comment on specifics, but the all-new model will be just as groundbreaking as the 1991 NSX."

As the first-ever supercar from Japan, the NSX was created as a hand-built, exotic, mid-engine sports car that would establish entirely new levels of performance, refinement and drivability. The NSX went on sale in the summer of 1990 and the following year posted record U.S. sales of 1,940 vehicles. Through June of 2005, NSX cumulative sales totaled 8,854 in the U.S. and more than 18,000 worldwide.

During its 15-year run, the NSX has been showered with accolades including, Automobile Magazine's "Automobile of the Year and Design of the Year" awards, Popular Science's "Best of What's New," Road &Track's "Ten Best Cars in the World" list. Motor Trend magazine also named the NSX to its "Top Ten Performance Cars" list and touted it as "the best sports car ever built."

Acura designed the NSX as a technological and performance showcase. Among other innovations, it was the first production car to feature an all-aluminum body, chassis, and suspension and to utilize titanium connecting rods. It featured a transversely mounted dual overhead cam V-6 engine equipped with Acura's breakthrough VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) system and a variable volume induction system.

Over time, the NSX received continuous updates to ensure its competitiveness and popularity with serious sports car enthusiasts. The NSX has also captured multiple championships in the highest levels of sports car and prototype racing.


SWEEET!

 

[drmanny3]

It's Official the NSX is DEAD as of 2005/2006

I received a copy of this press release from Honda.

http://world.honda.com/news/2005/4050712.html

I recall when I met the R&D group from Japan, they indicated that significant changes to the engine would drastically alter the car's design. So they must have decided that the changes sought required a new car. The fact it is not an NSX means that it can either be a super car (more costly than the current car) or a lesser car. I believe it will go the route of the latter. It will still be special and unqiue but more affordable than a true exotic.

Manny Fernandez, Jr.


World News > Press Release


AutomobileJuly 12, 2005

Honda to Discontinue Production of the NSX Sports Car
—Successor sports car now in development—

TOKYO, Japan, July 12, 2005 - Honda Motor Co., Ltd. has announced that it will discontinue production of the NSX, a vehicle that has enjoyed considerable popularity as pure sports car and won many fans worldwide. Honda is currently working on a successor, a new sports car for a new era, which is to incorporate Honda’s most advanced technology.





NSX



The NSX made its debut in 1990 as a genuine mid-engine sports car with an all-aluminum monocoque body—a world’s first for a production vehicle at the time. The NSX continued to evolve, with performance improvements including increased displacement, a 6-speed manual transmission, enhanced aerodynamic performance, and different tire sizes, along with the addition of the NSX Type-T open-top model and the NSX Type-R pure sports model with further enhanced driving performance. One of the first true sports cars to adopt clean emissions measures, the NSX succeeded in combining exhilarating driving performance with superior environmental performance. As a result, the NSX achieved total worldwide sales of more than 18,000* units during the 15 years it was in production.

Even after NSX production draws to a close, Honda will continue to foster an environment supportive of NSX owners and their enjoyment of their cars, through meticulous maintenance of NSX vehicles, a Refresh Plan to preserve vehicles in their optimum condition, and the continuing support of NSX Owners’ Meetings to assist owners who wish to enhance their driving skills.

Production of vehicles destined for the North American market will be discontinued at the end of December, 2005. Production of vehicles destined for the European market will be discontinued at the end of September, 2005.
*As of the end of June 2005


< Highlights of the History of the NSX >

Feb. 1989 NS-X mid-engine sports car prototype introduced at the Chicago Auto Show
Oct. 1989 NS-X exhibited at the Tokyo Motor Show
Aug. 1990 Acura NSX went on sale in the US
Sept. 1990 NSX went on sale in Japan
1991 “Owners’ Meetings”, designed to enhance driving skills, inaugurated
Jan. 1992 Custom order interior and body color plan introduced; its range later expanded.
Nov. 1992 Pure sports model Type-R added to the line-up
Feb. 1993 Minor model change (addition of passenger-side SRS airbags, other enhanced equipment)
1993 “Refresh Plan” introduced as premium service for maturing vehicles
Feb. 1994 Minor model change (16/17” aluminum wheels, reinforced brake pads)
Mar. 1995 Minor model change (Drive-By-Wire electronic control, F-Matic manual-feel automatic transmission, open-top Type-T added to line-up)
Feb. 1997 Minor model change (3.2-liter manual transmission model, 6-speed manual transmission, introduction of Type-S)
Sept. 1999 Minor model change (reduced exhaust emissions, enhanced equipment)
Dec. 2001 Minor model change (exterior design changes, 17” tires front and back)
May 2002 New NSX Type-R model introduced
Oct. 2003 Minor model change (Immobilizer, new body colors)


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[Russ]

Re: hondanews.com

Acura Developing a Successor to NSX
Current Generation NSX Production to Halt at Year End

... "It's too early to comment on specifics, but the all-new model will be just as groundbreaking as the 1991 NSX."

Where have I heard that before? :biggrin:

 

[Bobolinski]

Re: It's Official the NSX is DEAD as of 2005/2006

So what does that do to the value of our cars? Should we gobble up any remaining 05 cars and put them in a sealed baggy somewhere?

 

[valenzul]

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050711/lam102.html?.v=13


if its on Yahoo.. its big news

 

[ChrisK]

So much mixed emotions. On one hand I truely look forward to what this new NSX successor will be like. On the other hand while we knew it was coming for a long time to actually see the current NSX really being put to rest brings up some mixed feelings. It was long over due, but the reality that it is finially over is kind of humbling. I'm just glad to have owned one of them during its run. :biggrin:

Now to look forward to the future :smile:

 

[timothyaw]

Re: announcement tonight 7/11/05?

... And it looks like it may come out next year too.

We all know that's not happening, with the mention of extensive retooling for emissioins etc it'll be awhile. A few years my guess. From the sounds of it though, it'll be worth the wait :biggrin:

 

[Ponyboy]

Got a question...is anybody else reading some ambigiouty? Is this successor going to be a halo-sports car with the "NSX" moniker or another sports car altogether?

 

[liftshard]

Well...I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but...

14 years have shown us that the market will not support a Honda-made automobile of even preeminent capability at a 911 price point.

Additionally, Honda hasn't recently made any entry, encroachment, or other advance on any premium market above their clearly-defined niche.

Look at the RL, TL, s2000, TSX, any of Honda's models. For the "family car" market, they are clearly at the top of the pricing spectrum with the Accord. They occupy the top totem pole space. In the "premium" market, they are at the lower end. Their cars must offer great value to get sales. They cannot price at even Lexus' point, nevermind BMW or MB. For higher-end sports cars, people don't buy Z8s at $125,000. It's absurd. Nobody will pay that for a BMW. That's Ferrari country. Forget about Honda. If they won't support a BMW up there, there is no way in hell they'll support a Honda.

If Honda releases another Porsche-fighter, it will be a sales disaster as the NSX was and it won't matter how good it is anymore than it mattered how good the NSX was. Think about it. In 1990, Honda was freaking dominant. Acura MADE the Japremium niche. The NSX was as good as a Ferrari that was 5 years away from production. And, still, that didn't matter.

When people have $90,000 to spend, they want a Porsche or an AMG MB. You just don't SEE very many other cars in that dollar range out there whereas these SL55s, E55s, S55s, 997S, etc., are just about everygoddamnedwhere. Above $80,000, the number of cars out there narrows down to a couple of brands. I don't even see too many Jags or Maseratis or anything else out on the road that's priced comparably. It's rarified space occupied by Porsche and MB AMG.

Acura can sell a car AS GOOD as a 911 at $60,000. Just like they sell cars pretty much as good as BMW 3s at $5000 less or as good as BMW 5s at $10,000 less. If the Acura is as good as the badge-prestiged Eurocar at a significant pricing discount, it'll be a sales success, otherwise, forget it.

The problem is that, through the mid to late 90s, we were getting a car as good as a Ferrari at an ENORMOUS discount. Forget about the TL being $5k less than a CBenz or a 330. You could get a 355-beater for like $60,000 less than the 355. And, I kind of like driving a Ferrari-calibre car. While the notion of a $60,000 997S is sort of appealing, I just am not that motivated by Porsches anymore or their capability. Even at $60,000, there'll still be that stupid snob appeal crap w/ the M3, Cayman, and all the rest of the badge-prestiged marques. And you'll still have to hear about how the Z06 will smoke you, blablabla.

Problem is, I want another Ferrari car from Honda. Not a Porsche or a Lexus or a Jag, a Ferrari; an exotic, except reliable, driveable, liveable.

 

[Timbo]

Oh man, first Pink Floyd reunites , and now this. I don't know if I can handle this much emotion.

Edit: whups, bandwidth exceeded on that link. Anyway, they put on a super show, and the anticipation amongst their fans was very similar to what we're seeing here. :smile: Let's hope the new car rocks as hard as the Floyd!

 

[effer]

Re: It's Official the NSX is DEAD as of 2005/2006

So what does that do to the value of our cars?

Depreciation for sure. Easy to understand when you look what happened to the price of these cars:

Ferrari F355 and 360 Modena

Lamborghini Diablo

Porsche 993 and 996 Turbo

no matter how nice and appealing will be the new car design since it will be certainly a better performer...

Should we gobble up any remaining 05 cars and put them in a sealed baggy somewhere?

Maybe on the very long term side but let me tell you a nice anecdote, here in Montréal, the official Lamborghini dealer did the same thing with a Diablo SE 30, so you can buy one virtually brand new with 0 km at the odometer
( he is asking officially more than 350 000 $ can ( around 290 000 $ us ) )

but this car is still available since years...

The actual price for a low mileage SE 30 is around 150K to 170K $us !!!

 

[The Kid]

I have the official memo on my desk! I was running into my office to post it but it appears someone beat me to the punch. 2005 is the last year it will be in production in its current form. Im so excited! This is finally official :biggrin:

 

[NetViper]

The question is, will the next car be aimed at competing with the 911, or Ferrari F430/Gallardo?

 

[Arshad]

Here's the official memo that was sent to Canadian Acura dealers yesterday:

------------

July 11, 2005


PERSONAL & CONFIDENTIAL


To: All Acura Dealers

Attn: Dealer Principal / General Manager/Sales Manager

Re: NSX Press Release

The attached press release will be sent out at 10:30, Eastern Standard Time this evening to the North American Automotive Press, discussing the future of the Acura NSX. The current ordering procedure for the NSX remains in place and we will advise the final ordering date and further details as they become available. The NSX has established a significant legacy as the embodiment of what Acura stands for and we wait with great anticipation the next generation.

Sincerely,

ACURA, A DIVISION OF
HONDA CANADA INC.


Dave Gardner
Assistant Vice President
Acura Sales


For Immediate Release

Acura Developing a Successor to NSX ‘Supercar’
Current Generation NSX to Retire at Year End

TORONTO (July 11, 2005) – To further enhance the division’s performance image, Acura is developing a new sports car to succeed the award-winning NSX “supercar.” Acura also announced that production of the current generation NSX will be retired at the end of the year due to the extensive retooling necessary to meet stringent 2006 emissions and equipment regulations for North America, Europe and Asia.

“Acura remains committed to offering customers ultra high-performance vehicles,” said Jim Miller, Executive Vice President, Honda Canada Inc. “It’s too early to comment on any specifics, but the all-new model promises to be just as groundbreaking as the original 1991 NSX.”

As the first-ever supercar from Japan, the NSX was created as a hand-built, exotic, mid-engine sports car that established new levels of performance, refinement and drivability. The NSX went on sale in the summer of 1990 and posted record Canadian sales of 253 units the following year. Through June 2005, NSX cumulative sales for North America totaled 9,551 vehicles.

NSX was designed by Acura as a technological and performance showcase. It was the first production car to utilize titanium connecting rods and feature an all-aluminum body, chassis and suspension. It featured a transversely mounted dual overhead cam V-6 engine equipped with Acura’s breakthrough VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) system, titanium connecting rods and a variable volume induction system.

Over time, the NSX received continuous updates to ensure its competitiveness and popularity with sports car enthusiasts. The NSX has also captured multiple championships in the highest levels of sports car and prototype racing.

Acura is the luxury vehicle division of Honda, and markets a wide range of luxury cars and sport utility vehicles, including the Canadian-exclusive Acura EL, and the RSX, TSX, TL, RL and MDX. Both the Acura EL and MDX are produced by Honda Canada at its vehicle assembly plant in Alliston, Ontario.

 

[CJB]

The question is, will the next car be aimed at competing with the 911, or Ferrari F430/Gallardo?

It should be those cars(maybe higher ???). It should equal/maybe surpassed the overall performance of those cars.

"NSX was designed by Acura as a technological and performance showcase"

If this remains true to the statement here and what the president of Honda has said previously with the statement their is no rivals exist, Acura/Honda should just develop the best they could develop for a production sportscar, to showcase their technology and performance once again. Their probably is so many Honda people that are involve that want to just put current and recent F1 technology into a car, you got to believe they want braggin rights. and money ofcourse.

F1 is afterall supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsports.


On a sidenote- I was just thinking with the no rivals exist statement. IS their a sportscar that is on that level that is fuel efficient ???

 

[nsxtasy]

Well, for years now, I've thought that they've kept the NSX alive because they wanted to keep their options open for a possible replacement (since there was no economic case to be made for continuing to sell the NSX on its own). Looks like they've finally made the decision to proceed.

it looks like it may come out next year too.

There's nothing to indicate that.

My guess - and it's just a guess - is that they just recently made the decision (and created the budget) to proceed with development and production, and that they're 12-24 months away from showing a prototype on the show circuit, and based on last time around, another 18 months from that point until sales begin.

Do you think Acura/Honda will offer anything for their current NSX owners?

I don't think so. But if they do, it will be for those who bought the NSX new. Buyers of new cars are their customers. Buyers of used cars are not.

But I hope supply doesn't dictate $10k over sticker. Because if I can get one at Msrp, I will work everyday to save up until the new car comes out.

Only $10K? That would be a good deal. When the NSX first came out, you had to pay $20-40K over sticker.

But let's face it. All the manufacturer can do is set the MSRP, which is a suggested price. Dealers can sell cars for whatever the market will pay. The introduction of most highly-desirable cars has found that if you want to be the first on your block, you pay a premium, but if you're willing to wait, you won't.

Got a question...is anybody else reading some ambigiouty? Is this successor going to be a halo-sports car with the "NSX" moniker or another sports car altogether?

You're asking about the name of the new car. The statement does not say whether or not it will also be called NSX.

Oh man, first Pink Floyd reunites , and now this.

Cream did, too!

 

[DutchBlackNsx]

Oh man, first Pink Floyd reunites , and now this. I don't know if I can handle this much emotion.

ROFL!