NSX Sales figures > 1st of March

fastaussie said:
there is no way this new NSX is comparable to the impact and legacy of the first NSX...
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I'm not talking about impact and revolution. I'm talking about the average joe knowing what the new NSX is versus the old one. There's never gonna be another car from anyone that is going to be pivotal like it was in the past. Times have changed.
 
vh_supra26 said:
Going off topic a bit, but I thought the original is and still is beautiful. This new one is just kinda meh to me. Don't get me wrong it isn't R35 ugly, but it just doesn't really look very NSXish IMO. Just me, but I wish they would have used styling cues from the HSC instead.

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Only the front of the HSc was beautiful. The rear and side profile was wacky.

I was also going to point out that the Corvette is actually a bread and butter car for GM. They sell extremely well.
 
fastaussie said:
yep, they are both pretty shit! :biggrin:
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Maybe they think that by having a superman grill that it will make it a super-car? Dum dum, clash.....
 
2slow2speed said:
And those shocks were used first on a Honda/Acura product back in 2007 on the top end MDX :D.
So maybe the MDX has been the real leading edge platform for Honda/Acura and technology trickles down from there :p

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vf2ss said:
Funny, there may be more truth to your jest when you think about it. A report from the Production Delivery thread says we can expect the MDX's Pentagon grill (the only car in their lineup with it) to find its way onto the fascia of an NSX refresh.

Whether intentional or not...sounds like some trickle down to me. May be that the real halo vehicle that supports all of this is an SUV :tongue:
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The RLX/Legend has really led with most of the new bells and whistles in recent history. SH-AWD, ACC, CMBS, FCW, LDW/LKAS, P-AWS, and a few other letters.

The MDX got the new corporate grille first because it was the first one in line for a mid cycle refresh when the new "corporate look" got signed off on. 2018 TLX shows it's mid cycle refresh with the new grille next week at the NY Auto Show. Perhaps the grille winds up on the 2018 RLX as well, but that car is not ready to be shown to the public yet.

The NSX should have the new look since it went on sale after the refreshed MDX did, but don't forget that the NSX's styling was more or less signed off on five years ago. On a car where the aero is just a wee bit more important than a SUV, it'd have been more of a big deal to redo the NSX front end.
 
N Spec said:
I was also going to point out that the Corvette is actually a bread and butter car for GM. They sell extremely well.
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It's...profitable. But just barely. 25-30k cars a year from a factory that doesn't make anything else to offset the costs, and they have some pretty healthy costs in R&D...not a good formula for raking it in. Look at Corvette's longtime archrival, the 911. The Porsche starts at $90k, the Corvette is $55k. While I'm sure some P-Car fans would disagree, there isn't $35k more of car there. R&D and production costs are actually pretty similar between the two. But since the Porsche sells for so much more, it's a very profitable (one of the highest in all of the car biz) model.

Every so often, a movement gets started to try and branch Corvette off of Chevy as a standalone brand (like what was done with the Dodge Ram) to move the car upmarket and sell it out of Cadillac stores. But Chevrolet needs its halo car, so GM leaves it where it is and keeps it attainable to the middle class with a middle class price and a lot less profit in it.
 
N Spec said:
Only the front of the HSc was beautiful. The rear and side profile was wacky.

I was also going to point out that the Corvette is actually a bread and butter car for GM. They sell extremely well.
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I would agreed that the rear needed work. But personally I still think it would have been a better starting point for the new model in terms of look.
 
vh_supra26 said:
I would agreed that the rear needed work. But personally I still think it would have been a better starting point for the new model in terms of look.
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It's certainly cleaner in the minimalist direction so it would have a more classic and timeless look for sure. The new NSX is busy so it's a risky move.

One can pick apart any car design element tho. You could say the 458 front end looks like a catfish mustache and the 488 front end looks like bucked teeth compared to the sleek rear end elements of those cars. In my eyes, these are subjectively true statements. Perhaps to others, just nonsense.

The size and weight of the new NSX is the biggest turn-off for me, but given contemporary weigh-ins and measurements, it's right there with the competition, before the hybrid weight of course. New supercars are at least ~3500 lbs with a full tank of gas and 48 inches tall now instead of 45-46 inches tall.
 
MasterNSXTech said:
It's...profitable. But just barely. 25-30k cars a year from a factory that doesn't make anything else to offset the costs, and they have some pretty healthy costs in R&D...not a good formula for raking it in. Look at Corvette's longtime archrival, the 911. The Porsche starts at $90k, the Corvette is $55k. While I'm sure some P-Car fans would disagree, there isn't $35k more of car there. R&D and production costs are actually pretty similar between the two. But since the Porsche sells for so much more, it's a very profitable (one of the highest in all of the car biz) model.

Every so often, a movement gets started to try and branch Corvette off of Chevy as a standalone brand (like what was done with the Dodge Ram) to move the car upmarket and sell it out of Cadillac stores. But Chevrolet needs its halo car, so GM leaves it where it is and keeps it attainable to the middle class with a middle class price and a lot less profit in it.
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I'd really be curious to see the actual costs behind the 911 and Corvette factories. I don't think it's that much of a difference in profit, but you could be right.
 
N Spec said:
I'd really be curious to see the actual costs behind the 911 and Corvette factories. I don't think it's that much of a difference in profit, but you could be right.
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Read this...

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...che-biggest-profit-making-carmaker-world.html

They're operating at 17% profit margin. That's absolutely insane. BMW and M-B (also high line brands) doing only 10%, which is still pretty enviable. Most mass market brands, like Chevrolet or Porsche's parent VW only have an average of 5% if they're lucky.
 
They make really fast cars for sure so it just seems like they can't lose. I wonder how that makes some of the more frugal Porsche buyers feel considering that they are pay for such profits.
 
vf2ss said:
Did you ever see this rendering?...
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I have not, thanks for posting it.

N Spec said:
It's certainly cleaner in the minimalist direction so it would have a more classic and timeless look for sure. The new NSX is busy so it's a risky move.

The size and weight of the new NSX is the biggest turn-off for me, but given contemporary weigh-ins and measurements, it's right there with the competition, before the hybrid weight of course. New supercars are at least ~3500 lbs with a full tank of gas and 48 inches tall now instead of 45-46 inches tall.
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Agreed, its a little too busy for me as well.

X2, it does look larger for sure.
 
RSO 34 said:
The dealers thought their would recoup their investment very quickly by taking their allocations for themselves and marking them up as much as $50k over sticker when there was already $30k of profit in a highly optioned car. That leads to the next point - virtually all of the dealer spec'ed cars were fully loaded and came in at over $200k. Now you are asking the buying public to ignore a big selling point (personal configuration for all aspects of the car) and then take someone else's spec, a dealer, lose your individual cache and pay a premium to get it. Then dealers were stuck with initial allocations and couldn't resist ordering the second and the third despite the fact the first was never sold and a glut forms where any smart buyer (presumably most buyers in a $200k car market) would wait it out and when the bubble bursts snap up a dusty over-optioned one for $175k instead of $206k.
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A 5 month old post hits the nail on the head. I want a new blue one but am not about to pay for all the options. $6k for my color is bad enough (until you see it in person). I could give a rats butt about carbon fiber this and that. My car, built on Acura.com comes in at about $170k. When I can get it for 90% of that I'll probably pull the trigger.

I drove this one the other day, put about 30 miles on it, and had the best time of my life. The color will knock your socks off. I'm just not ready to shell out $170k+. Especially since I drove a $100k Lexus LC that was more than 80% as much fun.

When Honda can produce and sell this car in the $125k area, they will sadly collect dust. Smart buyers are smart.

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Although I agree with the main thrust of this argument, keep in mind that Acura *DID NOT ALLOW* anyone to order the car *WITHOUT* the carbon brakes until some time around the beginning of the year--- well after the speculative orders were placed.
 
It's now September...are updated numbers available somewhere?


blue_myriddn said:
Not bad! Here is a quick chart to show how it stacks up to similar cars. Note, the Porsche 911 was not included because it was WAY off the chart with sales above 500 units/month

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Thank you.
 
Just got a phone call from my local dealer that American Honda will be giving a dealer rebate on 2018 orders he wasn't exactly clear on pricing but he said there's a minimum of $7500 built-in as rebate, can anyone confirm?
 
I spoke with one of the NSX Specialists today and asked if there was trunk money, etc. out there and he hadn't been informed of that.

A 2018 won't be delivered until at least February or March.
 

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