This is a screenshot (i.e. proof) from the
Best Motoring video on RacingFlix
of the NSX-R doing a sub 8 minute lap on the Nurburgring.
NSX-R on Nurburgring, 7:56
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This is a screenshot (i.e. proof) from the
Best Motoring video on RacingFlix
of the NSX-R doing a sub 8 minute lap on the Nurburgring.
I can say this certainly seems plausible as I rode in a right hand drive stock 92 about 2 years ago and we were managing 9.5 minute laps. The ring taxis (M5's) do about 8.5 minutes or so with 4 people in the car!!
Was there some question on the validity of this?
Was there some question on the validity of this?
That lap time is definitely true. The entire uncut footage of the drive originated from the Best Motoring Video Special Vol. 55 featuring the new NA2 NSX-R. The Japanese driver is 63 year old Motoharu Kurosawa. I own this video and have watched it numerous times, each time with amazement of the driving and of the car.
osugrad97 said:
Yeah, some guy, bulldozer something, stated "where is the proof", yada, yada, yada on the now-closed "raced a z06..." thread. Since I could not quote him anymore on that thread, I started this one in.
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Anyone know what the Z06 runs at the Nurburgring?
Ponyboy said:
ARG... so close! .. acutally if the Z06 did it in 7.55 that is damn impressive.
Any idea what a "US" version of the NSX would do it in? I know there are a bunch of Japanese versions and I have no idea which is closest to the US NSX model.
My guess is the Zanardi would be close because it is nearly a type-R anyway.
I wonder how the NSX-R would do with a SC strapped on there. With the same HP as the Z06, I would bet it will be quite a bit faster. Of course, it would also be 2x the price..
Ponyboy said:
Where did you get that source? Just curious...
NetViper said:
The Zanardi is close to a Japanese Type S, the Type S-Zero is the one that's close to the Type R.
Nimbus said:
My bad... too many models in japan!!
NetViper: In 1997 german mag "sport auto" tested a 3.2 l, 6 speed NSX (should be close to the U.S. version). Nordschleife lap time was 8'38 with Yokohama A 022 (that's what they wrote).
The NSX-R was tested in 2002 with 8'09.
The differences in lap times are not only depending on the driver/circumstances but also on the measurement. Usualy you can't make a full lap on the Nordschleife, you always have to make a standing start at a certain point and stop before you complete the lap (unless you rented the complete track as a car manufacturer).
So the mag car testers always have a certain compensation factor in their lap times. German Nurburgring specialist and Prime member Detlef Welsch may have the details.
The NSX-R was tested in 2002 with 8'09.
The differences in lap times are not only depending on the driver/circumstances but also on the measurement. Usualy you can't make a full lap on the Nordschleife, you always have to make a standing start at a certain point and stop before you complete the lap (unless you rented the complete track as a car manufacturer).
So the mag car testers always have a certain compensation factor in their lap times. German Nurburgring specialist and Prime member Detlef Welsch may have the details.
NSX/MR2
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NetViper said:
All you have to do is lightening up the weight on the U.S.'s NSX and you will have a lighter car, (much better.)
NSX-Racer said:
In the Best Motoring "NSX 3.2l Debut" Vol. 38 video, the NSX S-Zero in 1997 had a lap time of 8'10. In the newer NSX-R Vol. 55 video, the NSX-R in 2002 lapped 7'56. Both complete lap video footages had the timer running on the screen with the timing starting just slightly after entering the gate to the entrance of the track. I'm sure Best Motoring or Honda had rented the complete track when they ran those times and shot the footages as there were no other motorists during the entire lap in the video.
Like you wrote, the lap time differences between the Best Motoring video and other magazine publications can be due to the differences in driver/car/weather conditions, etc. Most importantly, there are at least some well documented sources of proofs out there that the NSX is capable of running those times.
Hey PonyBoy and DONNYMO,
If you look at my last post here, you'll see that I owned up to it.
But again you geniuses missed my point, as I own STOCK US versions of both cars, I can tell you for sure which is the faster car in both a straight line and a on a road course, and that is a fact, like it or not. In my first post on the other thread, I didn't refer to highly modded NSXs or the unavailable-in-the-US NSX Type R.
And if you read the last paragraph of that original post closely, you'll see that I was trying to unite everyone, not divide. Instead, just like a lot of the immature highschool kids that lurk on the BMW forums, you guys just had to turn this into some pissing contest. I expected more maturity from owners of such a fine automobile.
On any automotive forum of which I am a member, I don't post often unless I have something relevant to say, so don't accuse me of going into hiding after that last thread. And PonyBoy, get your facts straight as I said the Z06 did it in a 7:56, not a 7:55, so I guess that make it and Type R even.
Have either of you even driven a Z06? Have either of you driven the Nordschleife? Or is all your info based on magazine bench racing? Get back to me when you speak from experience.
If you look at my last post here, you'll see that I owned up to it.
But again you geniuses missed my point, as I own STOCK US versions of both cars, I can tell you for sure which is the faster car in both a straight line and a on a road course, and that is a fact, like it or not. In my first post on the other thread, I didn't refer to highly modded NSXs or the unavailable-in-the-US NSX Type R.
And if you read the last paragraph of that original post closely, you'll see that I was trying to unite everyone, not divide. Instead, just like a lot of the immature highschool kids that lurk on the BMW forums, you guys just had to turn this into some pissing contest. I expected more maturity from owners of such a fine automobile.
On any automotive forum of which I am a member, I don't post often unless I have something relevant to say, so don't accuse me of going into hiding after that last thread. And PonyBoy, get your facts straight as I said the Z06 did it in a 7:56, not a 7:55, so I guess that make it and Type R even.
Have either of you even driven a Z06? Have either of you driven the Nordschleife? Or is all your info based on magazine bench racing? Get back to me when you speak from experience.
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I have not driven a Z06 but I have driven a 2002 Vette.
My thoughts vs my 93 NSX.
The vette FEELS ALOT faster.... why because of the torque. But it really runs out of steam just when the NSX starts to come alive (5500rpm). I know the vette is a little faster than my car, but I would NEVER trade my car for even a brand new vette.
I would not feel comfortable taking the vette into the twisties because it feels really large... the hood is ENORMOUS...
I am sure after learning the car better, it would be more comfortable with it, but from just a get in and go perspective, the NSX is the hands down winner.
As for the Z06.. we here all know it is a VERY fast car both in a straight line and in a road course. If you like your z06 better, great.. you are lucky enough to own both cars..
Those of us that can only have one I am pretty sure would chose the NSX.
Again, the NSX-R does the same lap time as the Z06 BUT with 115 LESS HP
Just imagine what it would do with a comptech SC.
Bulldozer... have you ever driven a supercharged NSX... I think you would love it... I know I always refer to Lud's car, but DAMN it was amazing... It feels like a big V8 back there... You seem to have lots of money, I think this would be a great investment for your NSX...
My thoughts vs my 93 NSX.
The vette FEELS ALOT faster.... why because of the torque. But it really runs out of steam just when the NSX starts to come alive (5500rpm). I know the vette is a little faster than my car, but I would NEVER trade my car for even a brand new vette.
I would not feel comfortable taking the vette into the twisties because it feels really large... the hood is ENORMOUS...
I am sure after learning the car better, it would be more comfortable with it, but from just a get in and go perspective, the NSX is the hands down winner.
As for the Z06.. we here all know it is a VERY fast car both in a straight line and in a road course. If you like your z06 better, great.. you are lucky enough to own both cars..
Those of us that can only have one I am pretty sure would chose the NSX.
Again, the NSX-R does the same lap time as the Z06 BUT with 115 LESS HP
Just imagine what it would do with a comptech SC.
Bulldozer... have you ever driven a supercharged NSX... I think you would love it... I know I always refer to Lud's car, but DAMN it was amazing... It feels like a big V8 back there... You seem to have lots of money, I think this would be a great investment for your NSX...
Bulldozer27 said:
My bad. The internet is a bad communicator and miscommunication is frequent. Apology offered.
Bulldozer27 said:
Thanks for the compliment. My membership in Mensa is confirmed.
I think it's great you own examples of both cars. Beyond that, I have no idea what you want. 
From what I read the discussion is complete.Bulldozer27 said:
Again, the internet is a bad communicator. But by the quotes below is there another way to interpret your attitude?
Bulldozer27 said:
Hehe...and you call yourself someone who unites? I write that as someone who couldn't care less about your expectations or wishes. Besides, immaturity crosses automobile lines w/o discretion and regard...just read what you write.
Bulldozer27 said:
Okay. You don't have to justify yourself to me. I think most here would agree with that.
Bulldozer27 said:
Correction received. That is what you said. But it's "Ponyboy," w/o the capital B.
Bulldozer27 said:
For the record, I have NOT driven a Z06. Not that I don't like them or respect their performance on the track, I just don't care either way. Neither have I driven the Nurburgring (I have no idea how this pertains to the discussion). And yes, ALL of my data is gleaned from "magazine bench racing." What better proxy source?
If you couldn't tell, that was a joke.Here seems to be the facts:
A stock US NSX has a slower time than a stock Z06 around the Nurburgring.
A stock NSX-R and a stock Z06 have similiar times around the Nurburgring.
Is this a big deal anymore?
My problem with the Z06 (which will beat a stock NSX), is that I cannot go more than 5 minutes on public roads w/o seeing one! I can go months and not see an NSX on the roads. My point Z06's are like a%#holes.......everyone has one. If I wanted a boring fast car, I would buy a Z06. Its NOT how you finish, its HOW you look while finishing. That is why I am purchasing a NSX and I will let my skills overcome the BHP shortfalls.
I think this could have been worded a little better. "Its NOT how you finish, its HOW you look while finishing." LOL...No offense, but you sound like a typical ricer.Bell turbo B18C1 said:
Image is nothing, thirst is everything
Who cares what other people own? Buy the car that you like best (that you can afford), and don't base it on the fact that you see them all the time.
If the NSX sold 100,000 a year, I would still buy it.
If you want to be really exclusive, why don't you go find an East German Trabant, and drive that 2-cycle piece of junk around.
Talk about exclusive, I haven't seen one yet in the US.
Who cares what other people own? Buy the car that you like best (that you can afford), and don't base it on the fact that you see them all the time.
If the NSX sold 100,000 a year, I would still buy it.
If you want to be really exclusive, why don't you go find an East German Trabant, and drive that 2-cycle piece of junk around.
Talk about exclusive, I haven't seen one yet in the US.
wow, isn't this post is just about how "fast" the NSX-R acheived at the "Ring"??
last few posts steer it to the love-hate story of the Vette again...
all i know is that it's Gan San's driving the X... I had seen one footage of him driving the S2000 prototype couple years ago around the "ring", without driving suit, helmet; bare hand and business shoes..etc. It's just unbelievable... (That's mean he could have gone even faster if proper equipped.)
PS. I didn't download the video, but looking at those ignorant/ innocent posts are interesting enough...
last few posts steer it to the love-hate story of the Vette again...
all i know is that it's Gan San's driving the X... I had seen one footage of him driving the S2000 prototype couple years ago around the "ring", without driving suit, helmet; bare hand and business shoes..etc. It's just unbelievable... (That's mean he could have gone even faster if proper equipped.)
PS. I didn't download the video, but looking at those ignorant/ innocent posts are interesting enough...
Z06 vs. Zanardi NSX: My 2 cents if you care...
Z06:
1). Incredible pulling power from 0- xxmph.....even with Active Handling (TCS-like device) on, the rear tires still spin!!!! WOW !!! UN-REAL! No way a stock Zanardi can compare! But it ran out of steam early in the rev range vs. NSX's Vtec....I personally prefer Vtec over all that torque way down low....
2). Engine note: From the cockpit, the Z06 was excessively loud and unpleasant for my taste. Sounds like a million angry people spitting simultaneously. The exhaust note was drowned out by all that engine noise. Too bad, because I love that sound of the muscular, rumbling push-rod V-8 pouring out of the tail pipe..
3). Cornering grip: Excellent!! May even grip better than the Z-NSX's. Obviously, much bigger tire dia. and contact patch in the Z06 can be the contributing factor.
4). Steering response and Agility: Although the Z06's feel is very similar to that of the S2000's OEM setup (which is very very good btw), the Z06 still falls short in this category vs. the Zanardi NSX. Having higher CG, higher polar moment of inertia, wider tracks, bigger mass, and that big ole v-8 sitting pretty high (vs. the NSX) over the front axle (FR layout) makes the Z06 significantly inferior than the NSX in this comparo..plus, body roll is very noticeable, unlike the Z-NSX which exhibit almost no roll at all.
5). Interior comfort: I'm 5' 7"..comfy although too much room in there for me....
6). Build quality: obviously......
7). Gearbox: I don't like the bobtail-truck feel of the Z06's shifter, since I'm used to the shorter, slicker, and more precise throw of the S2k's and NSX's...for me, I like to keep my right hand as involved in my driving as possible and the Z06 doesn't provide the joy of playing with the gearbox like the Hondas do by creating the opportunity to keep it in the proper power band at all time while driving at 9 to 10/10ths. In other words, the Z06 is almost always in its proper powerband which makes match-revving and heel and toe shifting a less-practiced technique when going into the corner....The Z06 is just not as much fun and rewarding to drive for me in this respect.
8). As a track car: I'd go with the Z06, simply because it's ready to race out of the box and very few street cars out there can compete with it in stock form, not even the best U.S. ver. NSX (the Zanardi ver.). The advantage of the Z06 over the NSX is obviously the HP AND ESP. the torque, with its bigger OEM tires, which helps put more rubber and power to the ground post apex....(yes i know, the NSX, with its MR layout, can begin to accelerate earlier than FR BUT the torque deficiency vs. that of the Z06 is difficult to overcome).....AND it's easier for me to drive the Z06 than the X at the limit since I'm already spoiled to the more forgiving nature of the FR layout.
9)Pride of ownership: of course, the NSX!
These are my personal observations, and I am being as un-biased and objective as I can. But feel free to flame if you want.
Z06:
1). Incredible pulling power from 0- xxmph.....even with Active Handling (TCS-like device) on, the rear tires still spin!!!! WOW !!! UN-REAL! No way a stock Zanardi can compare! But it ran out of steam early in the rev range vs. NSX's Vtec....I personally prefer Vtec over all that torque way down low....
2). Engine note: From the cockpit, the Z06 was excessively loud and unpleasant for my taste. Sounds like a million angry people spitting simultaneously. The exhaust note was drowned out by all that engine noise. Too bad, because I love that sound of the muscular, rumbling push-rod V-8 pouring out of the tail pipe..
3). Cornering grip: Excellent!! May even grip better than the Z-NSX's. Obviously, much bigger tire dia. and contact patch in the Z06 can be the contributing factor.
4). Steering response and Agility: Although the Z06's feel is very similar to that of the S2000's OEM setup (which is very very good btw), the Z06 still falls short in this category vs. the Zanardi NSX. Having higher CG, higher polar moment of inertia, wider tracks, bigger mass, and that big ole v-8 sitting pretty high (vs. the NSX) over the front axle (FR layout) makes the Z06 significantly inferior than the NSX in this comparo..plus, body roll is very noticeable, unlike the Z-NSX which exhibit almost no roll at all.
5). Interior comfort: I'm 5' 7"..comfy although too much room in there for me....
6). Build quality: obviously......
7). Gearbox: I don't like the bobtail-truck feel of the Z06's shifter, since I'm used to the shorter, slicker, and more precise throw of the S2k's and NSX's...for me, I like to keep my right hand as involved in my driving as possible and the Z06 doesn't provide the joy of playing with the gearbox like the Hondas do by creating the opportunity to keep it in the proper power band at all time while driving at 9 to 10/10ths. In other words, the Z06 is almost always in its proper powerband which makes match-revving and heel and toe shifting a less-practiced technique when going into the corner....The Z06 is just not as much fun and rewarding to drive for me in this respect.
8). As a track car: I'd go with the Z06, simply because it's ready to race out of the box and very few street cars out there can compete with it in stock form, not even the best U.S. ver. NSX (the Zanardi ver.). The advantage of the Z06 over the NSX is obviously the HP AND ESP. the torque, with its bigger OEM tires, which helps put more rubber and power to the ground post apex....(yes i know, the NSX, with its MR layout, can begin to accelerate earlier than FR BUT the torque deficiency vs. that of the Z06 is difficult to overcome).....AND it's easier for me to drive the Z06 than the X at the limit since I'm already spoiled to the more forgiving nature of the FR layout.
9)Pride of ownership: of course, the NSX!
These are my personal observations, and I am being as un-biased and objective as I can. But feel free to flame if you want.
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Guys.... I just saw ur posting today and I DL the video to see how this amazing lap time is achevied, by the "Gan San" Kurosawa. As much as a Honda fans. I was so happy that the NSX finally cracked the 8 min. clock.
HOWEVER... if everyone watch the video again. The timer starts just before the first corner. And the timer also stop early at the exit of the last corner. I AM SORRY TO SAY THIS.... BUT ITS GOTTA BE AROUND 8min. mark. Sorry guys to break this to u......
HOWEVER... if everyone watch the video again. The timer starts just before the first corner. And the timer also stop early at the exit of the last corner. I AM SORRY TO SAY THIS.... BUT ITS GOTTA BE AROUND 8min. mark. Sorry guys to break this to u......
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