Non-compliance stuff : how good is it ?

[asylum]

My NSX is a track only car. I have to do the timing belt before the new track season in spring. I hesitate to take advantage of the fact that the motor will be down and suspensions free of access to do this.

For those who have done the non-compliance toe links and beam bushing kit (+ front pivot clamps), do you think they really worth it ?

Concerning rear toe adjustment, with these mods I can reduce it from ~-3 to -1 mm or less each side ?

 

[MvM]

I can only comment on the rear non-compliance toe links as sold by ScienceofSpeed.

I consider them a worthwile investment. Before these toe links I could feel the rear of the NSX kind of 'take a set' in corners, especially in high speed corners with speeds above 100 mph. With the SoS toe links this feeling is totally gone.
Mind you though, it will probably also mean that there is less warning any more that you rear might be about to break away.
In any case, I have the feel that the rear of my car is definately more stable in high speed corners and that's what I was looking for.

 

[SFNSXguy]

Did them back in 1999 (Comptech version).... big thumbs up!

 

[docjohn]

all of these things would be essential for a track only car,I would go the extra step and get titanium daves monoballs too.

 

[2slow2speed]

Essential items for a track oriented vehicle.

 

[Scin]

The rear beam and toe links are one of the best possible things you can do for your NSX's handling on the track.

If you track your car you will never regret doing it, grab a set from Titanium Dave.

 

[CL65 Captain]

+1 HUGE difference in the way the back end feels and inspires more confidence.

 

[nsxinkl]

I just bought a bunch of these goodies from titanium dave. Any tips on installations and set up? TIA

 

[StmpoRaceProducts]

Non-compliance stuff : how good is it ?


extremely valuable for performance.... you loose a soft ride... good trade off

 

[roondogg]

I just bought a bunch of these goodies from titanium dave. Any tips on installations and set up? TIA

I did the install myself. For me the rear went like clockwork. The front was difficult. My bushings in the front need some compression with a specialized clamp and then quick install. I got this special tool from a buddy next door.

Dave said that I am the first one to do it all himself. He said that I must have gotten lucky. I think perserverance is better than luck. :smile: I find it very rewarding to do everything myself, even if it takes quite a long time.

RD

 

[ScienceofSpeed]

The non-compliance parts, especially the rear links and beam bushings, make a HUGE difference in high speed cornering. That vague feeling from the rear end is reduced, greatly increasing confidence in fast sweepers. There is absolutely no impact on ride quality - so they are a "benefit with out a minus".

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/produ...mance_products/NSX/suspension_accessories.asp

cheers,
-- Chris

 

[StmpoRaceProducts]

The non-compliance parts, especially the rear links and beam bushings, make a HUGE difference in high speed cornering. That vague feeling from the rear end is reduced, greatly increasing confidence in fast sweepers. There is absolutely no impact on ride quality - so they are a "benefit with out a minus".

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/produ...mance_products/NSX/suspension_accessories.asp

cheers,
-- Chris

Thanks for the link outside of the vendor section Chris...

If anyone wants the same product at a cheaper price...

Get ahold of Ti-Dave...


Cedar Ridge Fabrication
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Name Cedar Ridge Fabrication
Physical Address 15707 NW McNamee Road Portland, OR 97231
Mailing Address same as physical address
Phone 503-621-9670
Fax 503-621-9670
Website http://www.cedarridgefabrication.com
Business Hours Monday - Friday 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM (PST)
Owner/Contact David Levy
NSXPrime User Name(s) titaniumdave



here is the direct link to his threads... in the vendor section...Cedar Ridge makes every single non-compliant part mentioned... and others not found on common NSX Retailers websites

He also offers these parts in package deals...

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143647

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91214

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126548

 

[CL65 Captain]

Ross, you know I love ya.... but man it's like pissing in the wind. Posting this crap, the only one that comes out smelling like piss is you.

 

[RYU]

The non-compliance parts, especially the rear links and beam bushings, make a HUGE difference in high speed cornering. That vague feeling from the rear end is reduced, greatly increasing confidence in fast sweepers. There is absolutely no impact on ride quality - so they are a "benefit with out a minus".

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/produ...mance_products/NSX/suspension_accessories.asp

cheers,
-- Chris

Where's the tradeoff and are there any guesses to why Honda had them that way to begin with?

 

[StmpoRaceProducts]

Ross, you know I love ya.... but man it's like pissing in the wind. Posting this crap, the only that comes out smelling like piss is you.

saving a few bucks never smelt like piss to me....

same parts... cheaper price

 

[CL65 Captain]

saving a few bucks never smelt like piss to me....

same parts... cheaper price

Ya, but we all know where SOS get's their non-comp parts from it didn't need to be rubbed into Chris's face.

Edit: Actually we're both wrong.

SOS sells my front clamps, Chris has another vendor make his beam bushings and his toe links. My parts are more expensive than the other options.

 

[CL65 Captain]

Where's the tradeoff and are there any guesses to why Honda had them that way to begin with?

Rear stuff. Cost.

Front non-comp brace, it actually defeats what Honda spent a lot of time, and money developing to make the ride smoother. The front is a small tradeoff to get more stability when threshold braking.

 

[StmpoRaceProducts]

Jim... all us 'multi-year owners know that"

multi-year primers also know the general forums are for opinions.. which can be expressed by vendors.. if kept to their opinion.

not for marketing their products via website links...


The OP wasent asking where to buy them.. but aski9ng if they work or not

 

[BATMANs]

I have both front and back, but not the Non-Compliance Rear Beam Bushings.

What am I missing here?

At high speeds, coupled with my massive and tall spoiler my NSX is VERY stable.

If there is anything I'm worried about isn't from the lost of grip, but rather the starvation of oil in high G-forces.

Therefore I will be installing this that I now have in my possession:

http://www.stmpo.com/product.php?productid=16155&cat=256&page=1

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1265453&postcount=54

 

[2slow2speed]

^^ you will notice the non compliance bushings on the rear beam even with the big wing if you actually drive the car on the track with sections that have high speed transitions.

My NSX had a Route KS wing that is probably similar in size to what you are running on your car, having the non compliance beam bushings and the non compliance toe links made the rear end feel more planted and allowed me to run 0 toe in the rear to reduce scrubbing of the rear tires. (good for those of us who actually drove their cars to the track events instead of putting the car on a trailer)

IMHO: It was welll worth the trip to AZ to have the set installed by Chris at SOS, I attended a track event at Big Willow in SoCal on my way to AZ prior to getting the set installed and after getting the set installed I did an event at Firebird, and I could feel the difference even at a short track like Firebird.

Then I did an event at Sears Point after bringing the car back to CA, and I could definitely tell the difference going through the 8-9-10 complex at Sears.

If you don't track your car then the beam bushing might be overkill, but as it currently stands having only the non-compliance toe links with the rubber bushings on the rear beam is a half assed setup.

Not sure where you expect to have oil starvation on your car during street driving , 99% of oil starvation cases on NSX's are on track cars that are used on tracks with long sweepers or banked NASCAR turns.

 

[BATMANs]

......Not sure where you expect to have oil starvation on your car during street driving , 99% of oil starvation cases on NSX's are on track cars that are used on tracks with long sweepers or banked NASCAR turns.

There is this long sweeping turn from 101 to 280/680 in San jose that I go to and from Vietnamese cafe.

 

[CL65 Captain]

There is this long sweeping turn from 101 to 280/680 in San jose that I go to and from Vietnamese cafe.

 

[baynsac]

Thats because if Ross did it he be suspended and his post would have been removed by the mods. But other Vendor in this case SOS KNOWS they are NOT suppose to but do anyway and get away with it.
If we are going to have rules, EVERYONE should Follow them. I am sure Chris Knows the prime rules on vendor postings...

Thanks for the link outside of the vendor section Chris...

If anyone wants the same product at a cheaper price...

Get ahold of Ti-Dave...


Cedar Ridge Fabrication
From NSX-Wiki
Jump to:navigation, search
NSX vendor listing:

Name Cedar Ridge Fabrication
Physical Address 15707 NW McNamee Road Portland, OR 97231
Mailing Address same as physical address
Phone 503-621-9670
Fax 503-621-9670
Website http://www.cedarridgefabrication.com
Business Hours Monday - Friday 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM (PST)
Owner/Contact David Levy
NSXPrime User Name(s) titaniumdave



here is the direct link to his threads... in the vendor section...Cedar Ridge makes every single non-compliant part mentioned... and others not found on common NSX Retailers websites

He also offers these parts in package deals...

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143647

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91214

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126548

Ross, you know I love ya.... but man it's like pissing in the wind. Posting this crap, the only one that comes out smelling like piss is you.

 

[BATMANs]

I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on this since my engine is out:

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/produ.../NSX/ScienceofSpeed/non-compliance/rear_beam/

Any updates?

 

[CL65 Captain]

if you track the car, the non comp stuff is noticeable. You can feel the difference.

sent from my crappy cell phone.