Next Acura NSX Has Ferrari F430 in Its Sights

[WingZ]

Re: HP and bragging rights DO matter.....

I love my NSX.
That does not mean I am blind and devoid of common sense.
WingZ, you ask what kind of person needs HP bragging rights? Still lying to yourself, Huh.:wink: Look at yourself in the mirror and you will have your answer. What do you think you bought your sports cars for?

Dang now I'm lying to myself Sorry you got the wrong guy I've never once bragged about my NSX or M3's hp.:smile:

Apparently your not satified though , I am.

Common sense nowadays is overrated. Good sense is what's needed. Good sense says you don't buy anything to brag about because no matter what someone somewhere always has something better. :biggrin:

It's because I don't brag about what I own that I can look myself in the mirror and like what I see

I bought my sports cars because they were the car I like. I could've bought a Viper or Z06 or Porsche ,they weren't what I wanted. I could trade either of my sportscars now and get something with more "HP" ,but I haven't.

Try not looking in a mirror darkly and one can see one's self more clearly

 

[BD]

Liftcontrol, since you like quality timepiece, do you own any old watches that are just so wonderful that, you will wear it even after owning for ten, or twenty years? Even though there are better models out there? NSX is like a fine watch; it is timeless. Of course, we are not talking about antiques, old relics. I have multiple watches, none of them are below 2 grand apiece, but I love my 15 years old Rolex GMT II and Hublot, because these are classic timeless watches. And I would have absolutely no problem buying an twenty years old watch if it is still desirable.

Honda’s philosophy in sports car concept, AKA NSX, has caused more renaissances within most other auto manufactures since 1990. Since you mentioned Honda is too late to the game, perhaps, they were 15 years ahead. Don’t forget when the NSX was being developed, Honda only had few models in the market place: Civic, Accord, Prelude, Legend, Integra and City. They were rather small as a manufacture. The NSX is truly one of the most remarkable modern marvels.

There is always the question of why didn’t the Supra/RX7/300ZX survived the crash of the sports car market, Toyota, Nissan, and Mazda pulled the plug because these are not perfect cars. Why didn’t Nissan export the Skyline GTR to the states is truly a myth.

Honda had very little choice but to create the NSX, after winning F1 constructor’s championship over and over; why not built a car to show case what Honda can do? Why not show the world how bad Ferrari and Porsche really were? If Honda’s approach is to pull the plug on any model that is market challenged, than they will be some serious trouble. If you follow Honda’s business model, the only time they pulled the plug on a production car is when the car is cause internal marketing conflict. Keep a car in production for 15 years is a remarkable concept, because it shows how much Honda is willing to back the owners with its product. You can’t say the same thing about Ferrari/Lambo, Austin Martin, Lotus, and even Porsche.

Regardless what the NSX replacement will be, it is within your right cross shopping between Nissan, Toyota, Porsche, etc, because obviously, you will buy a car that fits your budget. But if you’re the type of person that will settle for less because you “don’t” see the value by spend the extra bucks, perhaps the up coming GTR will suit you better. I have no double GTR and LF/A will be a masterpiece, but it will fall short of NSX II, judging by the history, Honda always had upper hand in practically every category when it comes to performance car.

So here is the question you have to ask your self, if you were happy with your marriage, why would you want to check out other chicks? Perhaps you don’t have a true happiness within your self.

 

[enesexdreamer]

So here is the question you have to ask your self, if you were happy with your marriage, why would you want to check out other chicks? Perhaps you don’t have a true happiness within your self.

good analogy,..but, just because your on a diet, doesn't mean you can't browse the menu:wink:

as far as honda coming out with they're NSX succesor, i have full confidence that they will come out with a car thats a contender, if not a born pinnacle in the exotic world, or whatever catagory honda pursues. why do i say this? i mean common, we all know our NSX facts and history right? im not even going to go over it cause you should already know.

Vance, could you elaborate on Honda's philosophy, to give the non-believers an idea of what Honda's vision is when it comes to producing cars, compared to the opposition.

 

[BD]

good analogy,..but, just because your on a diet, doesn't mean you can't browse the menu:wink:

Vance, could you elaborate on Honda's philosophy, to give the non-believers an idea of what Honda's vision is when it comes to producing cars, compared to the opposition.

http://www.world.honda.com/NSX/

NSX - Simple Concepts:
Drivability
Reliability
Livability/Usability
Safety
Exclusiveness
Built quality
Design excellence
Longevity/Durability
Advance technology
Affordability/ Low cost of ownership
Exciting but subtle design

 

[nsxtacey]

http://www.world.honda.com/NSX/

NSX - Simple Concepts:
Drivability
Reliability
Livability/Usability
Safety
Exclusiveness
Built quality
Design excellence
Longevity/Durability
Advance technology
Affordability/ Low cost of ownership
Exciting be subtle design

affordability and exclusiveness does not go together imo. what makes the car exclusive now is low production and its still rather expensive to buy (more recent models) and to maintain (ex. clutch & tires cost more than your average car).

a v10 car is going to be somewhere around 100k and v10 cars are high maintanence so affordability/low cost of ownership does not apply to the next nsx.

 

[BD]

affordability and exclusiveness does not go together imo. what makes the car exclusive now is low production and its still rather expensive to buy (more recent models) and to maintain (ex. clutch & tires cost more than your average car).

a v10 car is going to be somewhere around 100k and v10 cars are high maintanence so affordability/low cost of ownership does not apply to the next nsx.

You have to view it from a completely different angle; NA2 (97 and up) annual production world wide is around 300 per year, that to me, is exclusiveness.

The problem is too many ricers keep looking at the NSX and can't figure out why it's so expensive, and Ferrari crowds look at it and think it's a bargain that they will never buy. Exclusiveness? Well, if you own a NA2, or 02 spec, it's pertty darn rare. Maintenance wise, again, how many cars in that class offer you a $40 oil change, and 100k first major tune-up (NA2). You definitely can’t say that about Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, or even Evo/STI. Clutch wise, many have disclosed $2000 cost, which is really nothing considering most dealership will charge you at least a grand to replace the clutch on a Prelude/Accord. The only thing I can somewhat agree with you is the tire situation, than again, later model NSX’s tire life expectance is no different let’s say a, S2K, or Lotus Elise. All you have to do is get harder tires when you replace the OEM set, you can easily get over 20k out of the set.

Of course, if a person drives his/her car like he stole it, of course you will eat up the clutch, tires, brakes, etc., but that applies to any other cars.

NSX is in a market place where many will not dare to touch, and many will ignore. Many will make the argument of the price of $90K is not exactly a bargain, and a 911 is a better buy. However, when was last time you heard some one paid MSRP for the NSX, most buyers receive at least $10k discount, which when compare to a 911C4s, which about the same.

The truth is, NSX is still a myth to many people, and only insider who have researched or willing to take a gamble for owning it will come out a winner. I never like to use the word “believer,” but in a way, it is true that the car represent some thing so special that, after 15 years, people still willing to spend decent amount of money to buy a high mileage used one. That my friend, is remarkable story.

 

[nsxtacey]

You have to view it from a completely different angle; NA2 (97 and up) annual production world wide is around 300 per year, that to me, is exclusiveness.

The problem is too many ricers keep looking at the NSX and can't figure out why it's so expensive, and Ferrari crowds look at it and think it's a bargain that they will never buy. Exclusiveness? Well, if you own a NA2, or 02 spec, it's pertty darn rare. Maintenance wise, again, how many cars in that class offer you a $40 oil change, and 100k first major tune-up (NA2). You definitely can’t say that about Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, or even Evo/STI. Clutch wise, many have disclosed $2000 cost, which is really nothing considering most dealership will charge you at least a grand to replace the clutch on a Prelude/Accord. The only thing I can somewhat agree with you is the tire situation, than again, later model NSX’s tire life expectance is no different let’s say a, S2K, or Lotus Elise. All you have to do is get harder tires when you replace the OEM set, you can easily get over 20k out of the set.

Of course, if a person drives his/her car like he stole it, of course you will eat up the clutch, tires, brakes, etc., but that applies to any other cars.

NSX is in a market place where many will not dare to touch, and many will ignore. Many will make the argument of the price of $90K is not exactly a bargain, and a 911 is a better buy. However, when was last time you heard some one paid MSRP for the NSX, most buyers receive at least $10k discount, which when compare to a 911C4s, which about the same.

The truth is, NSX is still a myth to many people, and only insider who have researched or willing to take a gamble for owning it will come out a winner. I never like to use the word “believer,” but in a way, it is true that the car represent some thing so special that, after 15 years, people still willing to spend decent amount of money to buy a high mileage used one. That my friend, is remarkable story.

I have a na2 but don't think of it as being exclusive. type-r/s/zero and zanardi are exclusive. plenty of moded na1's out there that can walk my na2

http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/ownership/costofownership.htm
every car has its quirks...90k car quirks cost more than average cars was my point. im not sacrificing performance for tire mileage. and i drive it like its meant to be driven and built to do :biggrin:

i am a believer But I don't think you need to be a believer to own one though. most people get it becuz its just a cool looking car and then later become a believer

 

[BD]

I have a na2 but don't think of it as being exclusive. type-r/s/zero and zanardi are exclusive. plenty of moded na1's out there that can walk my na2

http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/ownership/costofownership.htm
every car has its quirks...90k car quirks cost more than average cars was my point. im not sacrificing performance for tire mileage. and i drive it like its meant to be driven and built to do :biggrin:

i am a believer But I don't think you need to be a believer to own one though. most people get it becuz its just a cool looking car and then later become a believer

The problem is first gen NA2 looks like same as NA1. For example, when you go to a NSX meet, you have late model NA2, and every one else show up with a old high mileage NA1, most people will not be able to tell the difference. Of course if you don't think it's exlusive, of course you have the right to believe in that. But anyway, I live in Huntington Beach California, I see on daily basis of 360 and Gallardo, I don't think they are exclusive cars, but in reality, they are.

As for tires, if you drive like you stole it, of course it's not going to last. That applies to every cars out there.

And finally, of course you don't need to be a believer to own a NSX. That is why so many young adults own the early models because they are within reach. Emotional and passionate buyers will get a used NSX, and logical buyer will shop for a S2k, because for the same price tier, you have a new car with similar performace and factore warrente

But anyway, it's fun chatting with you all, this section of the forum has always been interesting on poeple's take on the situation.

 

[Bob Kenney]

http://www.world.honda.com/NSX/

NSX - Simple Concepts:
Drivability
Reliability
Livability/Usability
Safety
Exclusiveness
Built quality
Design excellence
Longevity/Durability
Advance technology
Affordability/ Low cost of ownership
Exciting but subtle design

Vance,

Nice concise description of what an NSX is and has to offer its owners. I have found the car much less expensive to maintain and much more user friendly to work on than the Porsche I owned. If Honda is guided by the attributes on your list, while developing its next generation "NSX", it will truly be another great car.

Bob

 

[myguitar]

The old NSX is a hard act to follow, but Honda's engineers are undoubtedly up to the task.