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"The NSX gets top billing in the magazine with a two page spread. The magazine's editors seem to think that it will make a debut in some form in January 2007 at the upcoming North American International Auto Show in freezing Detroit, with the production car being introduced (in Japan, at least) in October of 2008. What's interesting is that unless I'm misreading the translation that was provided, it appears that the NSX won't offer SH-AWD, but it will provide seating for 4, a 500hp 5.0L V10 and available manual or automatic transmissions. The performance is said to rival BMW's M6. Oh, and the price is said to be set at around 15M Yen, which at current exchange rates (~118Y/$) would put it over $125000."

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=611370
 
Sounds like wonderful competition to the M6, but it can't be billed as the replacement for the NSX.
 
Acura's GT...

2006 BMW M6 Coupe...
MSRP: $96,100

Niche...
Porsche 911 Carrera, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, Jaguar XK-R, Maserati Coupe/Gran_Sport, Mercedes Benz SL_AMG, Cadillac XLR-V, Corvette C6 ZO6

Class...
front-engine, rwd, high-performance, premium luxury GT coupe/conv'.
 
Don't think that could possibly be the new NSX.... looks more like a new revised Acura CL two door coupe, which it wouldn't look bad as. However NSX? Not a chance.. .The engine looks sweet though from the small pic they have posted :D
 
Beautiful car, but no NSX. With the descriptors given, it would make a proper future RL sports coupe (minus the price tag and adding in SH-AWD). It seems only logical that the next NSX share its engine and possibly platform with the next gen RL, or RL successor. Remember, the RL name plate has not done well for Acura. I can see Acura cutting its ties with this little loved marque, and calling it something else to reestablish its flagship image. But don't expect to see "Legend" to reappear as Acura is committed to the alphabet nomenclature.
 
ibDursty said:
Don't think that could possibly be the new NSX.... looks more like a new revised Acura CL two door coupe, which it wouldn't look bad as.
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Yes... :frown: try to market a "revised Accord whatever" for 120k and you will see people queuing at the dealership... :rolleyes:
 
Re: Acura's GT...

Osiris_x11 said:
2006 BMW M6 Coupe...
MSRP: $96,100

Niche...
Porsche 911 Carrera, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, Jaguar XK-R, Maserati Coupe/Gran_Sport, Mercedes Benz SL_AMG, Cadillac XLR-V, Corvette C6 ZO6

Class...
front-engine, rwd, high-performance, premium luxury GT coupe/conv'.
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Exactly my point... I do not see how Honda could win such a difficult market.

With a car that is too expensive and a very brand-interested audience (and I am sorry but to the 100k+$ sport coupe driver Aston martin, MB, BMW, Maserati, Jaguar, Porsche sounds better than Honda) there is no way it will succeed.

Such a car should cost 80k$ loaded with gadgets to try to sell in the thousands for at least 2-3 years. The V10 will not be enough, IMO.
 
Could someone please translate what you guys are talking about...

CL, RL, IRL, ??? I have no idea what you are all talking about. In Australia we have:

Honda Jazz
Honda City
Honda Civic
Honda Civic Hybrid
Honda Accord
Honda Accord Euro
Honda Odyssey
Honda Legend
Honda Integra
Honda S2000
Honda CR-V
Honda MRV

If someone could put the equivalent Acura/Honda model alongside that would be great! Just something I can use for future reference.

Thanks in advance guys/girls etc... :smile:
 
AU_NSX said:
Could someone please translate what you guys are talking about...

CL, RL, IRL, ??? I have no idea what you are all talking about. In Australia we have:
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I think it is a bit like our Accord coupe... that is why I said "Honda Accord whatever" before :tongue:

2CO.jpg


Anyway nothing you want to be associated to hundredtwentythousand $$$ next NSX! :frown: :rolleyes:
 
Hopefully that is not the NSX replacement......I think they are just trying to bring out another CL type car again to jump into the mercedes, bmw, aston martin category.

If it is the NSX replacement which I doubt then that seals the deal of me getting a F- car.
 
Looks like we bought the classic--and our values will hold up better over time (IF that is indeed the NSX-replacement).
 
ediddynsx said:
Hopefully that is not the NSX replacement......I think they are just trying to bring out another CL type car again to jump into the mercedes, bmw, aston martin category.

If it is the NSX replacement which I doubt then that seals the deal of me getting a F- car.
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I agree with Eddie.

It’s just more Psycho Babble. Like I’ve stated in pervious threads, I believe Honda is not going to give up on the HSC or a very close version, maybe stretched out a little more to accommodate the V10. Just call it a feeling or hunch. :rolleyes: This is just one guy’s opinion who’s smoking crack. :eek:
 
"Japan's "HolidayAuto" magazine and as you'll see below it's chock full of those fun speculative sketches"

I find it odd that a japanese magazine would have the new "Acura" NSX in it.

It would have a "fun speculative sketch" of a Honda NSX.

It's not the new NSX.
(fingers crossed)

-j-
 
jimmycinla said:
I find it odd that a japanese magazine would have the new "Acura" NSX in it.

-j-
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There have been numerous mentions of the "Acura" brand being introduced in the JDM- and that the new Halo car will be designated an "Acura" there.

Please stop looking for a replacement for the NSX. It isn't going to be replaced in kind, and you are setting yourself up for a disappointment.

Whatever comes out will be a new "halo car". It will be something else.

Fortunately, we have what we have.

The NSX is the NSX- whatever this is will be what it will be. I like what we have.

Oh, and BTW- I like the concept drawings. :eek: Maybe I will have one someday...

Philip
 
Re: Acura's GT...

gheba_nsx said:
Exactly my point... I do not see how Honda could win such a difficult market.

With a car that is too expensive and a very brand-interested audience (and I am sorry but to the 100k+$ sport coupe driver Aston martin, MB, BMW, Maserati, Jaguar, Porsche sounds better than Honda) there is no way it will succeed.

Such a car should cost 80k$ loaded with gadgets to try to sell in the thousands for at least 2-3 years. The V10 will not be enough, IMO.
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Absolutely. This "RL mutant" as I like to call it will basically be the Lexus LF-A counterpart. I am betting very heavily that if Lexus sells that car at the rumored $150K price it will crash and burn. Acura selling this car at $120K is basically the same thing.

I'm sorry, but Lexus and Acura cannot compete with Aston, Mercedes and Porsche--at least not on a level playing field. Unless they are underpriced by at least 30% and apparently they're not going to be. :rolleyes: Just as Acura sold the original NSX at ~30% under the F348 price it must continue to do the same.

I will always argue that most people who buy the F cars, Astons, MBZs and Porsches really don't care how reliable the car is. They buy the name. Unless they're swayed big time by price along with promised package of looks (which must be better), reliablilty (which must be better) and comfort/ease of use (which must be better)--ALL of which the original NSX had in 1990.

Brand name discrimination might not be right or logical, like racism. But it exists, and for anyone or anything to triumph over it, they must unfortunately work harder and be better, whether or not they should have to. The minority must be better qualified than the majority to get the same job. Doesn't make it right or wrong--it just is.

JMHO. :biggrin:
 
Re: Acura's GT...

NSXGMS said:
I'm sorry, but Lexus and Acura cannot compete with Aston, Mercedes and Porsche--at least not on a level playing field. Unless they are underpriced by at least 30% and apparently they're not going to be. :rolleyes: Just as Acura sold the original NSX at ~30% under the F348 price it must continue to do the same.

I will always argue that most people who buy the F cars, Astons, MBZs and Porsches really don't care how reliable the car is. They buy the name. Unless they're swayed big time by price along with promised package of looks (which must be better), reliablilty (which must be better) and comfort/ease of use (which must be better)--ALL of which the original NSX had in 1990.
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I fully agree with you!

And I see a even worse problem: the original NSX was far better in reliability, performance and had a similar (very nice) look than the 328/348 and was better in all these aspects against the 1989-1996 Porsche 911.

The price was also right (+30% less).

What happened? It sold well for 2 years and then people went back to Ferrari+Porsche and started to ignore the NSX... the "new" factor wore off for the brand interested people you mention and only true enthusiasts "accpeted" the cheaper badge over the more recognized ones.

What would happen today where the bar has raised incredibly also on the counterparts (Ferrari are 10x better the ones of the early '90s, Porsche maybe 3x...)? I cannot imagine Acura outdo again all of them by the same huge margin... or they would have to produce a RELIABLE and CHEAP (<100k) Enzo just to achieve what they did in 1989.

I would like to be surprsed but I wouldn't want to be in the next NSX product developer shoes now... :frown:
 
I can't beleive Honda wont be offering the new Civic TypeR with the 2.3L Turbo engine.

That 220hp K20 is a waste of time compare to the new Masdaspeed3 (263hp) and the new Dodge SRT4 (300hp).

Wake up Honda!
 
Re: Acura's GT...

NSXGMS said:
Absolutely. This "RL mutant" as I like to call it will basically be the Lexus LF-A counterpart. I am betting very heavily that if Lexus sells that car at the rumored $150K price it will crash and burn. Acura selling this car at $120K is basically the same thing.

I'm sorry, but Lexus and Acura cannot compete with Aston, Mercedes and Porsche--at least not on a level playing field. Unless they are underpriced by at least 30% and apparently they're not going to be. :rolleyes: Just as Acura sold the original NSX at ~30% under the F348 price it must continue to do the same.

I will always argue that most people who buy the F cars, Astons, MBZs and Porsches really don't care how reliable the car is. They buy the name. Unless they're swayed big time by price along with promised package of looks (which must be better), reliablilty (which must be better) and comfort/ease of use (which must be better)--ALL of which the original NSX had in 1990.

Brand name discrimination might not be right or logical, like racism. But it exists, and for anyone or anything to triumph over it, they must unfortunately work harder and be better, whether or not they should have to. The minority must be better qualified than the majority to get the same job. Doesn't make it right or wrong--it just is.

JMHO. :biggrin:
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I think the 2 companies are on different wavelengths. With the 60k+ GS (loaded)/LS/SC and LX, Lexus has proved people will buy their most expensive cars. The LS 460 and LS 600h L will take Lexus into pricing territory never seen before, starting at 62k to near 100k.

Lexus has continued to move upmarket year after year and people are moving up with the brand. Lexus management has proved it understands the luxury market.

In contrast, the most expensive Acura, the RL, is selling poorly at $50,000. Acura does well in the 27k-40k market with the TSX and TL. The MDX does well too. This is the lower end of the luxury market. Lexus also covers this with the IS/ES/RX which sells equally as well.

The time has come for a Japanese company to offer the $100,000 car. It has been what, 20 years since Acura's launch and 17 since Lexus/Infiniti.

I predict with the success of the new LS, Lexus will have a hit with their LF-A concept.
 
Re: Acura's GT...

gheba_nsx said:
I fully agree with you!

And I see a even worse problem: the original NSX was far better in reliability, performance and had a similar (very nice) look than the 328/348 and was better in all these aspects against the 1989-1996 Porsche 911.

The price was also right (+30% less).

What happened? It sold well for 2 years and then people went back to Ferrari+Porsche and started to ignore the NSX... the "new" factor wore off for the brand interested people you mention and only true enthusiasts "accpeted" the cheaper badge over the more recognized ones.

What would happen today where the bar has raised incredibly also on the counterparts (Ferrari are 10x better the ones of the early '90s, Porsche maybe 3x...)? I cannot imagine Acura outdo again all of them by the same huge margin... or they would have to produce a RELIABLE and CHEAP (<100k) Enzo just to achieve what they did in 1989.

I would like to be surprsed but I wouldn't want to be in the next NSX product developer shoes now... :frown:
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One thing I don't get is how its "Cool in a stubborn way" and "timeless" to have a 911 basically evolve for 20+ years before they went water cooled but the NSX did the SAME thing, IMO but it got dated and lost respect.

Hell the Lotus Espirit hasn't changed in 30 years.

I think Honda should have taken the 911 route and just continued to evolve the NSX. They took too long, IMO for a facelift though. The NSX-R should have been offered in America.

Also, how about some better marketing? However, Honda like Toyota seems to be concerend with SUVs and trucks....sigh....(they do make money though)
 

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