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Everything is better with pics...
Not bad IMO
Not an NSX, but not bad.
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Not bad IMO
Not an NSX, but not bad.
P
Aww man I wanted to be the first to post on this one
Oh well here's the meat for all the haters that will invariably post.
Honda goes for the hat trick:biggrin:
Oh well here's the meat for all the haters that will invariably post.
Honda goes for the hat trick:biggrin:
Hey Lexus will be $200k. This car will be taking out GT-R Spec V , every Ferrari , Vette and Porsche. We won't hear anymore under powered Honda BS flat out!
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I wouldn't believe everything you read about the price tag of either the Lexus or the Acura.
If the whole rear is a wing, then does that mean that the rear glass wraps inside of the C-pillar, a la 599 GTB Fiorano??
The rear of that concept above is gorgeous...the front meh. The article notes that function trumps style but it'd be nice if the Acura designers put a little effort in this area (I'm sure they will).
Really looking forward to this car. Realllly...
Really looking forward to this car. Realllly...
I keep thinking this as well Silver just don't see it that high and I really get the feeling this car will be closer to the GT-R in price.
Doubt it. Most of these articles get at least somewhat close when they list estimated pricing.
If they say $160k then assume its at least between 120k-150k.
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What's going on with the headlights in that rendering? They are awfully distracting.
I love the rear and hopefully the final car looks very similar to that. The front end... meh.
I love the rear and hopefully the final car looks very similar to that. The front end... meh.
Everything is better with pics...
Not bad IMO
Not an NSX, but not bad.
P
i hope they dont use those wheels
looks like it came from a GT-R
I could take that anyday to my carage 
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Intresting...
.Intresting...
Well ...my wife has a 06 Civic SI that she just loves!
I'm not sure how I'd explain the $140,000 price difference for a car that looks like the Civic's big brother? Honda sure didn't take much risk with their design. Kind-of stayed close to home for this work of art LOL
I seem to remember a bigger design difference between the entry car and the Halo car back in 1991. So what happened to the gap? Entry Level cars got way better, or Halo cars got less exotic?
I'm not sure how I'd explain the $140,000 price difference for a car that looks like the Civic's big brother? Honda sure didn't take much risk with their design. Kind-of stayed close to home for this work of art LOL
I seem to remember a bigger design difference between the entry car and the Halo car back in 1991. So what happened to the gap? Entry Level cars got way better, or Halo cars got less exotic?
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Guys, it is a rendering photo!!!
But this should get every one excited if it is true.
The key to its performance is high-speed stability. The rear section of the car supposedly acts as a giant rear diffuser, designed to keep the 1,476kg (3,256lb) supercar glued to the road. The other factor in the performance equation is the car’s 5.5L V10 engine, which the insider revealed would output upwards of 600hp (450kW) and 433lb-ft (586Nm) of torque.
But this should get every one excited if it is true.
The key to its performance is high-speed stability. The rear section of the car supposedly acts as a giant rear diffuser, designed to keep the 1,476kg (3,256lb) supercar glued to the road. The other factor in the performance equation is the car’s 5.5L V10 engine, which the insider revealed would output upwards of 600hp (450kW) and 433lb-ft (586Nm) of torque.
I doubt the car will be as fast/powerful/light and at such a high price tag.
The rumors around the origional S2000 were that it would be a inline with 280+ hp in the 2700 lbs for like 40k. I wish it were b/c I would have paid for it.
I'll be impressed if they get 500 HP and 3400+ lbs. 32xxx lbs? Are you kidding me, the 02+ NSX-Ts came in at nearly 3200 lbs! And this is with alluminum chasis, V6 and all that fancy ligher parts stuff.
Bigger and wider car, bigger engine, bigger brakes, bigger wheels, bigger pen.. just means more weight, period.
The rumors around the origional S2000 were that it would be a inline with 280+ hp in the 2700 lbs for like 40k. I wish it were b/c I would have paid for it.
I'll be impressed if they get 500 HP and 3400+ lbs. 32xxx lbs? Are you kidding me, the 02+ NSX-Ts came in at nearly 3200 lbs! And this is with alluminum chasis, V6 and all that fancy ligher parts stuff.
Bigger and wider car, bigger engine, bigger brakes, bigger wheels, bigger pen.. just means more weight, period.
I agree, it will have to weigh more than the projected 3250 lbs. The car is no doubt bigger and has more of everything. The interior will be more luxurious, and the engine with AWD is only going to weigh it down even more. I can see them offering a type R style version where all of the luxuries are discarded to drop some 200 lbs or so and then weighing in at 3200ish lbs. The Rx7 didn't have a fancy material treatment, it just has a smaller engine, decently smaller dimensions (shorter overall length and width) and a lesser interior and it still beat the NSX out by 300lb or so. Realistically speaking, this new GT will be a pig in terms of size and weight, very close to the GTR. Hell the styling is not that much better, and the price tag is already twice as much.
I think it will tip the scales at 3500 lbs at least. I can believe the engine will make some 550-600 hp though, that's not a stretch. I just hope the cylinder deactivation does not end up being a dud and complicates things along the terms of reliability down the road. The more complex these things get, the easier it is for things to go wrong. Also no simple 6 speed manual transmission? WTH?
I think I will have to look at Lotus for the future lightweight exotic. They're using the new Camry engine as a base in the new Evora, something like a 2+2 NSX. Toyota is just as reliable as Honda. It weighs as much as an NA1, aluminum chasis, has the same power, more torque, MT, true mid-engine, 2 extra seats that displaces the trunk cargo and looks pretty good. Sounds like an excellent DD to me. This is the closer spiritual sucessor to the NSX, not some damn pigged out Audi. It's only a matter of time before this is supercharged or turbo for even more power and soon the new Espirit drops (perhaps a purer succesor to the NSX legacy) and such.
Does no one remember than even in our own beloved NSX the engine line in combination with trunk lid already acts like a kind of rear wing.
It smoothes out the airflow over the car and reduces turbulence.
Haven't you ever noticed that the engine lid and trunk lid never seem to get really dirty even if you are driving in the rain? Now you know why.
Well ...my wife has a 06 Civic SI that she just loves!
I'm not sure how I'd explain the $140,000 price difference for a car that looks like the Civic's big brother? Honda sure didn't take much risk with their design. Kind-of stayed close to home for this work of art LOL
I seem to remember a bigger design difference between the entry car and the Halo car back in 1991. So what happened to the gap? Entry Level cars got way better, or Halo cars got less exotic?
I guess your memory is off as you couldn't even find pics of close to the same year. Of course it seems you do stuff like that deliberately.
How about same year same angle same color on the NSX and Civic CRX
The Family resemblance is there on one of their cheaper cars so apparently they always stayed close to home.
So the S2K came in at 240 hp and weighed a little under 2700 LBS for $31K and that was a deal killer
Hmm your comparing weight savings of a car designed in the 80's which was pretty light for it's day to one being designed 20 years later. If aftermarket people are now able to get us weight saving parts for our cars why couldn't Honda do this on their car since they have a competition goal to beat.
Well if GM can do it why can't Honda? The Vette is able to offer a big engine lighter weight sportscar at a certain price point. If GM new people would pay for it they could make the Vette lighter with newer materials that are available it would just cost a lot more for these more exotic materials. Honda really did this same kind of thought process back with the original NSX why do you guys think it's such a big deal now??
Also if they can't make a reliable car with a Celica engine you think it would be any better with a Camry engine. Plus $200k for a Camry engined car even if it is behind the seats is um ... let's just say in this case I doubt you get what you pay for.
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Are you saying that the new prototype is the same size as the Vette? I don't think so. The vette has a always been a small car and the NSX is smaller than the new vette. With this said, the new GT is much larger than both. The Corvette has a lightweight V8, no AWD, more fiberglass body panels and the interior is not exactly luxurious. GM pulled this off by offering a car that is minimal. This new GT is the exact opposite, it is bigger and more luxurious than the vette. It's size is closer to that of the Astons and GTR, which mean around 3800+ lbs. I'm sure Honda can shave off 200-300lbs compared to the competition that are the around the same size and so weighing in at around 3500 lbs, they could say it is lightweight, even though it is not essentially. I'm not saying it's impossible to to weigh 3200lbs, but judging from it's size, unless the prototype will undergo a substantial change in size and shape, the thing will be a pig.
What is wrong with a Toyota engine? We drive cars with Honda engines. Rumors say the Evora actually is going to be priced at £45,000, which is tapping at $90,000 USD currently. I have heard the Elise are quite reliable (better than the average car), the only stigma of course is paying so much for a 4 cylinder, not a Toyota engine. The new Esprit is supposed to have a BMW V8, so does that change anything? Doesn't for me, as long as the engine is proven to be reliable.
BTW, the CRX looks nothing like the NSX in shape or detail. You took two black cars said they look alike. You can take a black 240sx and a black Camaro and say they look alike, but in reality, look nothing alike. The Accord with similar tail lights would have been a better comparison. :smile:
No what I'm stating is that if GM can keep the Vette close to 3000 ( well closer than others ) we can at least give Honda the benefit of the doubt. I mean why shoot for that weight after you've got a prototype out? I'm sure they new what there were putting in it to start. Also perhaps that's the reason for the high price in as such it's using expensive exotic materials. Of course the NSX is a pig as well. Pretty much anything above 3000 lbs is though IMHO.
I don't think anything is wrong with a Toyota engine in a Toyota. Kinda makes it a kit car of sorts. A reliable new engine from BMW? That's kind've an oxy moron.
The detail is in the light bar the similarity is unmistakable. Didn't say they were twins but though. The NSX when it came out was called derivative in styling quite a bit. It's what the Japanese are known for in their cars. Also the Legend coupe is actually a better match than the Accord but hey Tomato Tomato:biggrin:
Well, we don't know what the final price is, but it can be assured that it will compete with Aston, the likes of that price range and weight class along with the obese styling cues. To say that the current NSX is a pig is not entirely accurate. Even the heaviest model is barely tapping on 3150 lbs. It's hard to find any car that is year 2000+ to weigh under 3400lbs, so the new pig category is 3500+lbs.
True, Lotus is something like a kit car, but kit cars don't offer factory warranty and support or mass produce the number of units as Lotus does. Their core competency is to build small, lightweight, efficient, while exotic, mid-engine and high performance vehicles. The new Evora is meant to be daily driven and can fit really tall adults all while still standing only 47 inches tall. I believe these are all of the traits that most people respond to when they see or own the NSX, not because it's a Honda engineered car. Honda has lost sight of that with the new GT and has moved on to pursue less inspiring dreams. Everyone can see this, even through the heavily camoed and obese zebra running the track. The shape and size just shouts I'm a big, heavy car, let alone the specs of a 5.5 liter v10 and AWD.
People buy Ferraris and Lambos because of the styling plus performance and now they have stepped up their reliability. The styling and mid-engines are what has always justified for most people the high price tag of these cars. The new GT offers neither of this while the current NSX does! Honda reliability in a very first complex V-10 that shuts off half of it's bank on the fly? Does not really sound reliable to me. I'm sure it will defeat the GTR and ZR1 by some couple of seconds on some track, but I honestly doubt the un-inspired styling will sell this 100K+ plus beast as well as Honda is banking on. They will have to rely on the cheaper RL sales.
ROFLMAO N-Spec you are the Man! I love it "New pig category" LOL that is too funny!
I call my NSX a pig because it feels so much heaver than my S2K. I've gotten about 150 lbs off of it but still feels heavy in comparison. I'm not a big car guy . The ASCC when I saw it in person didn't seem too big so if this new car is of similar dimensions shouldn't be too bad. Still big of course but not to bad.
I also think the pricing will kill this car as status is what status is. First year will be sticker plus but second year I hope to get one at invoice. That's one of the greatest things about Hondas to me as I've never paid sticker for one. I hear people complaining about their price tags but those seem to be people who just look online. Inside the dealership is a different story.
Here's hoping people continue to diss this car and keep demand low:biggrin:
I call my NSX a pig because it feels so much heaver than my S2K. I've gotten about 150 lbs off of it but still feels heavy in comparison. I'm not a big car guy . The ASCC when I saw it in person didn't seem too big so if this new car is of similar dimensions shouldn't be too bad. Still big of course but not to bad.
I also think the pricing will kill this car as status is what status is. First year will be sticker plus but second year I hope to get one at invoice. That's one of the greatest things about Hondas to me as I've never paid sticker for one. I hear people complaining about their price tags but those seem to be people who just look online. Inside the dealership is a different story.
Here's hoping people continue to diss this car and keep demand low:biggrin:
Don't want to rain on your parade... BUT:biggrin:
GTR is 3800 lbs. The new Spec V is rumor to be 350lbs lighter, which make it 3450lbs. That car has some of the heaviest parts you can use on a car
I replaced the exhaust system on my NSX, it shed about 30 lbs, Type R seats, 30 lbs each side. That's already about 100 lbs.
The new Honda will be again aluminum frame, plus more likely CF and other exotic parts. The newer Honda engines are 20 to 30% lighter than the old, so this V10 will probably weight similar to the NSX V6, if not, just slightly more.
On paper, the preliminary rumor... This car is "only" 250 lbs heavier than the regular NSX, and 500 or so lbs heavier than NSX-R.
You guys have absolutely no faith with a company that is KNOWN to built light weight cars.
Honda is NOT MB or BMW, they DON'T stick big engines into their cars because they over build the chassis, they put big engines into cars because they want to make it go fast.
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