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NothinbutSeX

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OK I'm tired of getting my doors blown off by Altimas, Lancers, and Whoop-Dee-Doo-Subarus. I refuse to own a car that only looks fast, so I'm making my move to SOPHOMORE LEVEL NSX. Now only one problem...I don't know Jack Sh*t.
All of you with real experience (not 'read the side panel on the box', or 'I know a dude who knew a dude who overheard a dude' expertise) please, I'm beggin' here, help me decide what to do before my wife finds out how much I spent.
NOS, TURBO, or SUPERCHARGER? Help me with what to expect or how your's went. Would you do it differently if done again? How much faster? How much more cash am I gonna win racing the streets on any given night here in the 'Bazooka-Piped-Honda' capital of the southwest?
I dig the fact that since joining NSX Prime, you all have kept me from going to the bookstore to buy a copy of NSX for Dummies

Thanks,
BOYD
 
honestly, you should probably get a boosted LS1 for your particular application,
even moderately modified, you'll still be blown away by moderately modified evos.... if your talking on a race track then its a different story....

it is pretty damn expensive > $8k to get an nsx anything 'much' higher than 270 rwhp reliably (unless you build your own turbo system etc)

so unless you got mad cheddar i'd say it would be more cost effective to use a different car for this

just in case you do have mad cheddar, FI is the cheapest way to go if you want big horsepower
Comptech has a supercharger its around $9k and is one of the more well known systems,
a few guys are coming out with turbo systems but they are not quite fleshed out yet.

as far as winning street races, i think that you will still have trouble with 400 rwhp turbo crx's :biggrin:
 
Spend some time at the track.
Learn to shift your car and use the power to your advantage before u go FI, u should have no problem blowing the doors of off any of these cars in stock trim, even my stock 92 beat my friends new BMW M3
Contrary to peoples belief the nsx is not a slow car.
 
A '91 just sold on eBay that claimed 512 rwhp with a single turbo system bolted onto an everything else stock motor. Is my butt inhaling smoke again?

The grandson of some Oil ($$$$$$$) Sheik with a self-claimed 1000 hp Supra here in town said some cowboy in an NSX stayed along side him from zero to 160. He added that Billy-Bob was unwrapping a toothpick and laughing at him the whole way before hammering the binders, painting a beautiful set of NASCAR INFIELD STYLE black stripes (Baker's Dozen or so), then disappearing the other direction.

Ow-Dih-Dee-Do-Dat?????
 
NothinbutSeX said:
OK I'm tired of getting my doors blown off by Altimas, Lancers, and Whoop-Dee-Doo-Subarus. I refuse to own a car that only looks fast, so I'm making my move to SOPHOMORE LEVEL NSX. Now only one problem...I don't know Jack Sh*t.
All of you with real experience (not 'read the side panel on the box', or 'I know a dude who knew a dude who overheard a dude' expertise) please, I'm beggin' here, help me decide what to do before my wife finds out how much I spent.
NOS, TURBO, or SUPERCHARGER? Help me with what to expect or how your's went. Would you do it differently if done again? How much faster? How much more cash am I gonna win racing the streets on any given night here in the 'Bazooka-Piped-Honda' capital of the southwest?
I dig the fact that since joining NSX Prime, you all have kept me from going to the bookstore to buy a copy of NSX for Dummies

Thanks,
BOYD
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Khappucino, Said it best when he said:

honestly, you should probably get a boosted LS1 for your particular application,
even moderately modified, you'll still be blown away by moderately modified evos.... if your talking on a race track then its a different story....


I had a 2002 camaro ss. 345 hp at the crank stock. And just headers opens up 30 hp. my 2002 camro with just intake and headers use to eat 2003-2004 mustang cobra's with 390 hp. If it's real street racing you are after, Get a non independent suspension car that you can can build a motor, and set it up to stick the power to the ground better than a x.

The only thing i do not like about the x is that it takes some real money to give it real power. No2 might be a option for you. Badcarma is the guy to talk to about that stuff.
 
NothinbutSeX said:
A '91 just sold on eBay that claimed 512 rwhp with a single turbo system bolted onto an everything else stock motor. Is my butt inhaling smoke again?
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Their is a company that is working on a single turbo kit that will produce similar #s HCI magazine had an article about it/it was also posted hear on prime. But its all about how much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ u got to throw around. Im leaning toward the Competch and AEM for reliability purposes. But it wont produce no 500Hp (I got a ZO6 for that):biggrin:
 
DRIFTER said:
Their is a company that is working on a single turbo kit that will produce similar #s HCI magazine had an article about it/it was also posted hear on prime. But its all about how much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ u got to throw around. Im leaning toward the Competch and AEM for reliability purposes. But it wont produce no 500Hp (I got a ZO6 for that):biggrin:
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Must be nice to have a Zo6 and an X !
 
EXACTLY!!! That's the car, It just sold today for $24999. It belonged to the owner of HCI. The guy said he also has an '04 Viper (which promptly appeared as a speck in the X's rear-view mirror). With racing fuel he got between 472-512 dyno hp. I fly a Lear-35 and wanna feel the G's to and from work too!
 
I feel you! I am contemplating changing cars since I dont see any simple way for the NSX to produce the #'s to play with the heavy hitters. I love my NSX and the way it drives/feels so I'm torn between buying a CTSC or changing to a 911 Turbo.

My thoughts:
NSX
hp for $ just isn't worth it for the NSX. With I/H/E/SC the nsx will have about 360ish rwhp for roughly $11k. The Car always puts a smile on my face when i'm on spirited drives in the mountain passes, but everytime my brother blows my doors off that grin is wiped off:frown: A lot of member here will tell you that the "nsx was never designed to go fast in a straight line...." blah blah blah
My brother said it the best: "the NSX should of had atleast 400 hp stock from the factory and it would be perfect"

911
My brother initially spent $2k on a stage II upgrade for his P and he was walking BPU Supras:eek:

He then decided he wanted more power and spent $7500 more on a stage 4 turbo upgrade and now he's putting down about 500 WHP
Also, the 911's are cheaper to insure:tongue: All in all, he spent $12k and now he has 500 rwhp and will eat/beat/match a C6 z06.

When I drive the turbo, the speed is absolutely amazing. Not only does it have the straight line speed, but it can also corner and handle as well. The only characteristic about the turbo I'm undecisive about is the lack of feed back when compared to the NSX

SO:
I would determine exactly how much $$ you have to play with and decide if it is worth modifying the NSX to the extent you will be happy with or if changing cars is your best bet.
Sorry for the long post
 
NsSeX said:
I feel you! I am contemplating changing cars since I dont see any simple way for the NSX to produce the #'s to play with the heavy hitters. I love my NSX and the way it drives/feels so I'm torn between buying a CTSC or changing to a 911 Turbo.

My thoughts:
NSX
hp for $ just isn't worth it for the NSX. With I/H/E/SC the nsx will have about 360ish rwhp for roughly $11k. The Car always puts a smile on my face when i'm on spirited drives in the mountain passes, but everytime my brother blows my doors off that grin is wiped off:frown: A lot of member here will tell you that the "nsx was never designed to go fast in a straight line...." blah blah blah
My brother said it the best: "the NSX should of had atleast 400 hp stock from the factory and it would be perfect"

911
My brother initially spent $2k on a stage II upgrade for his P and he was walking BPU Supras:eek:

He then decided he wanted more power and spent $7500 more on a stage 4 turbo upgrade and now he's putting down about 500 WHP
Also, the 911's are cheaper to insure:tongue: All in all, he spent $12k and now he has 500 rwhp and will eat/beat/match a C6 z06.

When I drive the turbo, the speed is absolutely amazing. Not only does it have the straight line speed, but it can also corner and handle as well. The only characteristic about the turbo I'm undecisive about is the lack of feed back when compared to the NSX

SO:
I would determine exactly how much $$ you have to play with and decide if it is worth modifying the NSX to the extent you will be happy with or if changing cars is your best bet.
Sorry for the long post
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Nicely said. Though you had me thinking there for a minute when you said,

"I am contemplating changing cars since I dont see any simple way for the NSX to produce the #'s to play with the heavy hitters"


B/c it's not that you can't make the NSX able to step up to the plate i the straight -line game with the other cars. It's about 95% of people not having the money to make it happen.( i am one of them ) With the right amount of money you can make the NSX fast enough, with N/A or FI. So, IMO it's not fair to say that the NSX is not capable of making the power other cars are. Considering i don't have the money at this moment to make my car into a monster. Now after having my NSX i would not trade this amazing road feeling / handling car, for another car thats got more horsepower. Thats just my opinion. and you know what hey say about those !





Nothinbutsex-

"OK I'm tired of getting my doors blown off by Altimas, Lancers, and Whoop-Dee-Doo-Subarus. I refuse to own a car that only looks fast, "



So Also IMO there are other cars that can be made fast for less money, And maybe only give up alittle of that road track i-con profoumance that the nsx has
 
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Do you have a quantifiable, measureable goal? Would you be OK losing to a Subie as long as you were making X HP? Or is you goal to be beat only 1/10 as often as you are now?
Flying a Lear-35 must be awesome. I think if I was a jet pilot I would get bored with cars.
 
NothinbutSeX said:
OK I'm tired of getting my doors blown off by Altimas, Lancers, and Whoop-Dee-Doo-Subarus. I refuse to own a car that only looks fast, so I'm making my move to SOPHOMORE LEVEL NSX. Now only one problem...I don't know Jack Sh*t.
All of you with real experience (not 'read the side panel on the box', or 'I know a dude who knew a dude who overheard a dude' expertise) please, I'm beggin' here, help me decide what to do before my wife finds out how much I spent.
NOS, TURBO, or SUPERCHARGER? Help me with what to expect or how your's went. Would you do it differently if done again? How much faster? How much more cash am I gonna win racing the streets on any given night here in the 'Bazooka-Piped-Honda' capital of the southwest?
I dig the fact that since joining NSX Prime, you all have kept me from going to the bookstore to buy a copy of NSX for Dummies

Thanks,
BOYD
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Do a search on FX400 or FX500..if that's not enough then I guess FX800 is the right one for you.....Make sure you have your check book and your flight suit ready.:biggrin:

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58950&highlight=factorx
 
Ineed a_NSX said:
Nicely said. Though you had me thinking there for a minute when you said,

"I am contemplating changing cars since I dont see any simple way for the NSX to produce the #'s to play with the heavy hitters"


B/c it's not that you can't make the NSX able to step up to the plate i the straight -line game with the other cars. It's about 95% of people not having the money to make it happen.( i am one of them ) With the right amount of money you can make the NSX fast enough, with N/A or FI. So, IMO it's not fair to say that the NSX is not capable of making the power other cars are. Considering i don't have the money at this moment to make my car into a monster. Now after having my NSX i would not trade this amazing road feeling / handling car, for another car thats got more horsepower. Thats just my opinion. and you know what hey say about those !
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Sorry I should have been clear. I was not saying that the NSX cannot be modified to put down high whp #'s, but that the NSX requires boatloads of money to get there and is not an easy process as say the 911 turbos. Especially since Factor X no longer sells turbo kits:frown:
 
In about 1 week will have results on a custom single turbo kit on a stock engine . we are expecting 500whp on higher octane gas and 400-450 on 91 octane. In my honest opinion the nsx is a slow car mine dyno t 270whp on a dynojet. I know most people on this page might not care about straight line acceleration and praise the nsx on a SCCA track, but me ive always been a drag race guy, and dont think that the nsx is or only should be praised on the cone track... first and only time ive taken my nsx to the strip it went a blistering 13.4@106 with a John Force 60' of 2.2 (hard tires, bad track).
I knew this thing needed more balls. Ive noticed alotta people on here have no hope for the nsx being a contender in a stright line drag ace against most rwd cars. and will always say "well it'll out handle most cars" i think thats okay and all but it still lacks raw power. with that being said I am very confident that our turbo kit will be the solution for guys out there like me tha just needs more power.. More details and results when the car hits the dyno.
Minh
 
you're in phx, right. you can have all sorts of bolt ons put on at basch's shop or science of speed. check out scienceofspeed.com they have a website full of ways to unload your wallet directly into the engine bay of your nsx! If you're looking to do some serious mods, i'd stick to someone local. just read a few threads deep around here, and most people with problems are dealing with non-local venders...

btw i think marc (blacko1 around here) is making up some turbo kit. he lives in phx. might want to PM him.
If you want a ride in mine (bbsc 8 lbs aftercooled) i'l be happy to oblige. I live in peoria.
 
NothinbutSeX said:
OK I'm tired of getting my doors blown off by Altimas, Lancers, and Whoop-Dee-Doo-Subarus.
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NsSeX said:
I feel you! I am contemplating changing cars since I dont see any simple way for the NSX to produce the #'s to play with the heavy hitters.
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I want to make sure I understand this... we're childish enough (myself included) to care if someone elses car is faster, but adult enough to buy an NSX rather than a Subaru? Why not have them both I say! If you can't beat them for god sakes have enough sense to join them.
 
nsx2tall said:
I want to make sure I understand this... we're childish enough (myself included) to care if someone elses car is faster, but adult enough to buy an NSX rather than a Subaru? Why not have them both I say! If you can't beat them for god sakes have enough sense to join them.
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lol yes I'm childish enough to care that my NSX is slow in the straights compared to other cars:biggrin: As to having them both, I'm trying to figure out if I can get away with it! I went on a Porsche drive today and got to drive around a GT 2 for a little bit and all I can say is:eek: IMO that car is what the NSX should of been. Excellent cornering ability and the power to match:tongue:

And for purchasing a NSX (the 2nd time around) is because it was my dream car and for some silly reason I'm saddened by the fact that the NSX did not come with the HP it should have from the factory. Don't get me wrong, I still can resist but to smile when I take nice spirited drives in the twisties, but that smile is wiped clean off my face when my brothers turbo blows by me:frown: :tongue:
 
My thought process has been the with the exception of straight line speed, the NSX has the best of everything that is important to me right out of the box. Add some mods, like the basic boltons and a CTSC along with some suspension work and bigger wheels/rubber, and youve got something is probably as quick as a stock 996TT, handles at least as well, looks cooler, is more unique, possibly slightly cheaper (same year) and maybe even more reliable.

But if youre going to mod the 996TT, then that is another story.

I also say that if Porsche can put a turbo on their 911 and call it stock, we can put a SC on our car and the comparison stands. X50? Full on AEM EMS and high boost kit with injectors and a pump and everything. I see these as similar.
 
SPA_S2000 said:
My thought process has been the with the exception of straight line speed, the NSX has the best of everything that is important to me right out of the box. Add some mods, like the basic boltons and a CTSC along with some suspension work and bigger wheels/rubber, and youve got something is probably as quick as a stock 996TT, handles at least as well, looks cooler, is more unique, possibly slightly cheaper (same year) and maybe even more reliable.

But if youre going to mod the 996TT, then that is another story.

I also say that if Porsche can put a turbo on their 911 and call it stock, we can put a SC on our car and the comparison stands. X50? Full on AEM EMS and high boost kit with injectors and a pump and everything. I see these as similar.
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I've been under the impression that a "normal boost" kit for an NSX will run high 12's if that:frown: . Am I seriously mistaken? the X50 kit on the 996 turbo will run consistently at about 12.2 secs and the stock 996 runs about 12.6-8's. But their real power is let loose at higher speeds. When my brothers turbo was stock, I had trouble keeping up with him.
 
Ok, I had to get in on this one. First off the NSX is not a slouch in the 1/4 mile, period. I own a 2002 NSX that runs 11.4's with 100 shot nitrous in the 1/4 mile on street tires, off the nitrous it still runs 12'3s. Here is the most current thread on this:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66228

I am on my 5th NSX. the 2002 is the faster of the 5. It is the first 3.2 NSX I have owned. 2 of my other NSX had a bit of work done to them. Best runs on my NA1's where 12.2's on street tires. I have NEVER lost a 1/4 mile race, from a dead stop, in my NSX. Yes I have lost 2-3 races from a 80-90 roll to the dreaded Z06 and highly modified LT1's, but they loose to me in a 1/4 mile race every time. Funny thing is even the fast of the fast highway cars, still may loose to my NSX at the very top end due to gearing. I have seen 184 on my NSX, it still had a few MPH in it and I still did not use Nitrous.

So if someone asked me how do I go faster in my NSX this is what I would say.

1. loose weight, as much as possible
2. IHE, there are many options some better than others, that is another thread in it's self.
3. 5 speed cars need gear set and 4.235 with an LSD, 6 speed cars need the 4.235 only
4. 75-100 wet shot NX nitrous kit

With all mods listed above a 91-94 NSX will see 11.9's-12.5's. With a 97-05 you will see 11.4's-12.2's.

How many cars in street trim (DOT tires) run mid 11's-mid 12's? Not many! If you come up against, for example, an X50 GT2 P-car, and you have your mods done to the NSX, you will have a chance. On the top end you will loose but hey thats not as common as a 1/4 mile race. Another example is a Supra that has 590 RWHP (dyno proven) that my partners shop owns. I have raced it from a 20 mph kick and beat it bad, and I have only 378 RWHP!!

I also own a 2004 Stradale Challenge Ferrari. I have done some mods to it and it Dynos 359 RWHP. My NSX will beat my Ferrari in the 1/4 mile but after 120 Nitrous or not the Ferrari will begin to overtake my NSX. So it is all a matter of what you really want. I also own a 2005 G35 Cpe that I drive daily. It has all the bolt on's you can do before turbo, nitrous, SC. My NSX W/O nitrous kills the G35. So in short, mod your NSX, win most races, enjoy that you car still looks better than most.

On another note....
Are you flying the L-35 as PIC? Is it a charter company or a private? Just curious. I am president/DO of a new air carrier here in TN. We are going to operate Be400A's, HS125-850's (new Hawker 800's) and Legacy's. I still fly about 30-40 hours a month to stay current, need more home time now to enjoy my cars.
 
NsSeX said:
I've been under the impression that a "normal boost" kit for an NSX will run high 12's if that:frown: . Am I seriously mistaken? the X50 kit on the 996 turbo will run consistently at about 12.2 secs and the stock 996 runs about 12.6-8's. But their real power is let loose at higher speeds. When my brothers turbo was stock, I had trouble keeping up with him.
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I dont know what the numbers will finally shake out at, but if a 6lb CTSC kit on a NA2 car puts out 350whp, that translates to about the same as a 996TT, no? The Pcar probably has an edge in the 1/4 because of its 4WD, but from a roll Im not sure who wins. If you figure a stock NA2 runs a low (avg of about 13.3 from what I can tell) 1320, if you take its whp up from 250ish to 350ish, Id expect at least a 0.5 sec improvement if driven properly. Wouldnt you? You just added 40% more power!

So Im guessing that most should run 12.7/8ish, which is not that much different then what you suggest is a reasonable 996TT stock time. Thus our expectations are consistent. I meant that the X50 and a high boost NSX would be similar (not the base kit). People are getting close to 400whp on higher boost CTSC set ups now, thats *about* 450HP.

Im sure Ill find out first track day. Those 996TTs used to walk me on the back straight to 140mph. I wonder if they still will. My bet is no.

Im just speculating with all of the above and many here will be able to speak with much more authority and certainty then I can as my experiences with a CTSC are limited to just a few days. Great few days though
 
SPA_S2000 said:
So Im guessing that most should run 12.7/8ish, which is not that much different then what you suggest is a reasonable 996TT stock time. Thus our expectations are consistent. I meant that the X50 and a high boost NSX would be similar (not the base kit). People are getting close to 400whp on higher boost CTSC set ups now, thats *about* 450HP.

Im sure Ill find out first track day. Those 996TTs used to walk me on the back straight to 140mph. I wonder if they still will. My bet is no.
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It would be great if you could post your results after your first track day. Maybe I've been grossly underestimating the CTSC power deliver in the high end.

As for Nitrous, well I don't really consider that a reliable source for added HP. More or less a temporary solution.
 
It's not even a question of "How fast the NSX can go but How much money are you willing to spend??".

Does anybody know how fast can a CRX go If I spend $30k to modify it?:confused:
 
jagtiger said:
It's not even a question of "How fast the NSX can go but How much money are you willing to spend??".

Does anybody know how fast can a CRX go If I spend $30k to modify it?:confused:
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119.2MPH then the rear bumper falls off, car looses 38lbs and you get 122 MPH. :biggrin: :biggrin:

Dave
 
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