NA2 NSX-R VS. World's Supercars.

[sjs]

Alan and I are still on the same page, top to bottom. I agree that the Lambo should easily pull the NSX-R in a straight line and especially at higher speeds, but the way he blew by that last lap was ridiculous. He didn't seem to have done that every lap, so why not? Hence my suspicion. However, watching part of it again I did see a second similar pass if not quite as dramatic so perhaps the editors kept that down a bit so as not to spoil the finish. But with that kind of power he should have stomped the NSX.

As for those who don't think power is a huge issue on such a track, think again. Within a given class of car, cornering speeds in the hands of talented drivers are surprisingly close. But extra ponies in the straights are easy to use and hard to overcome. Yes it takes talent to use every last bit, but still a big advantage.

 

[Sketch]

Originally posted by sjs:
As for the pass at the end, I’ll need to go back and watch the whole thing again and focus on acceleration, but it was more than a little suspicious. Was there any other time when the Lambo reeled him it so easily? It was almost like he missed a shift.

The Lambo passed the NSX twice on the straight. After the first time, he almost spun the car in a corner shortly afterwards, where the NSX passed him again and stayed ahead until they got to the straight again.

I seem to recall they only came through the straight twice. I'd have to watch again to see how many laps they did, but I'm thinking it must have only been two...

 

[Tom Larkins]

And the opinion of the contributors of this thread are;

1)Pleased the R did well considering the others it ran with.

2)Some believe the NSX needs improvement although pleased w/what it currently is.

3)The Lambo was sand bagging and something was going on.

4)A car 1/3rd the cost was able to keep up with the high HP(Lambo) although the R handled like a sled when it crossed the rumble strips.

5)F50 driver was taken it easy.

6)NSX walked away from 5th & 6th place cars.

7)Some folks that bought the BM product got screwed b/c they paid to much.

8)The test & shootout articles in some American mags are POS.

9)The driver of the NSX was working his tail off.

10)A bunch of gold diggers are gonna be on TV swapping spit trying to bag a ditch digger!

 

[Andrie Hartanto]

I finally watched the video and here is my 2 cents.

The GT2 is awesome. Hopefully the GT3 will be as bit as good. I can't afford GT2, so I'm calling the dealer after I type this to put my name on the list for the GT3

The Murcielago got some serious power. No doubt it's a faster car than the NSX. Even around the track. It did got better lap time than the NSX-R.

As far as bias? I don't think every each one of the driver conspire to make the NSX-R looks better than it actually is. True Gan San drove hard. Uses all the berms, while other cars just touched the berms. But it might have to do with other cars suspension? It might not be too friendly with the bumps? I can only speculate, as I never driven other cars in the video. But I think each one of them drove as hard as they can comfortably do. Heck the Murcielago driver almost lost it in one of the corner.

One thing I know, the NSX-R is an awesome car. Is it the best? heck no. I myself lining up to get the new GT3, as I think it might be the ultimate NA street/track car available.




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[kenjiMR]

Andrie, shouldn't you wait till Honda announce new NSX plans?

 

[millionshopper]

Originally posted by Andrie Hartanto:
I myself lining up to get the new GT3, as I think it might be the ultimate NA street/track car available.

http://www2.us.porsche.com/english/usa/news/pressreleases/pag/021216.htm

The GT3 will be available in the United States from May 2003 at a price of 99,900 dollars.

"GT3 has a 3.6 litre powerplant. A hand assembled GT1 engine re-engineered for mass production. Inside the specially prepared block are 6 unique pistons with lightweight titanium connecting-rods and a finely balanced crankshaft in eight main bearings. The crankshaft, connecting rods and main bearing journals are all Plasma-Nitride hardened. All this adds up to an immensely strong engine which although limited to 7800rpm will apparently rev to 9000rpm quite safely."

Ceramic Composite Brakes, Weight reduction, Tuned suspension and a Powerful NA motor. Guys this seems like the Porsche version of our NSX-R.

[This message has been edited by gomaidy (edited 10 January 2003).]

 

[gheba_nsx]

A friend had the GT3 '00 modell before buying a '02 GT2. I remember I bought the NSX a couple months before he bought the GT3, and after a test drive I came to the conclusion that it was crazy fast even with the sentiment that the NSX already was incredible in my mind!

Really, the tech data on paper do not give the car any justice (the same as what it happens with the NSX but in a "faster league"

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[RyRy210]

Originally posted by Edo:
Allan, and everyone else, Here's a quick recap of the video in question from someone who actually speaks Japanese.

#1 ALL of the drivers are international professional drivers. No one was sleeping at the wheel and no one was driving slow. The reason the Lambo driver didn't hit any of the curbing was because he was asked not to by the Lambo owners. The reason they do not launch hard on the drag strip is due to the viscous traction coupling. Apparently excessive power applied to the stock clutch burns it up. Either that or you have to dump the clutch, which the owners did not want them to do.

#2 The NSX-R was commented on by ALL casters to be faster through the corners than even the 911GT2.

#3 Kurosawa Motoharu who drove both the F-50 and Murcielago, did not like the Murcielago. He said it was leaps and bounds better than the Diablo, but still not a track oriented car.

#4 The F-50 was not stock. It had a Tubi exhaust. Thats it. Everything else was stock. They use that same F-50 in about 5 of their video's, and last year it barely managed to finish ahead of an F-40.

#5 The Murcielago is heavy. Very heavy compared to the other cars. That was the biggest complaint everyone had was weight. It also would exhibit some understeer when accelerating, which is why they couldn't get on the throttle earlier.

Kurosawa Takuya (driving the Murcielago) who has competed in CART, said that if the Murcielago came with stiffer suspension and increased suspension stroke in the rear, it might go faster around the track. All of the casters agree that the Lambo was street oriented.

Thanks Edo!

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[ALLAN]

From what i was told, the Lambo driver was very inexperienced behind the wheel of the Lambo. Not only did he want to take it easy on the first lap, but was also told to be easy on the car as it was recently purchased. The Murcielago is absolutely a heavy car and not intended for track use, but road use. Same would hold true for taking a 2002 Nsx vs the NSX-R. The Nsx-R will post much better times than the other.
The F40 is absolutley more modified than was stated, as it has engine mods and a host of other suspension mods, including the light weight wheels which i believe were equiped with slicks. Not sure on that, have to rewatch the video, but the wheels are clearly evident.Again good video, but not a true indication. Even looking at Nurburgring Lap times, where a very well prepared race driver in a Nsx-r clocked a 7.56 on the ring, an autosport magazine test driver with little knowledge of a Murcielago posted a 7.52.

 

[gheba_nsx]

The F50 - modified or not does not matter. It was not driven near the limit since it could have destroyed all other cars anyway. They are SERIOUS cars on teh track...

 

[Edo]

Allan, who on earth told you the driver was inexperienced behind the wheel of the Lambo?

Didn't I say earlier that the driver was Kurosawa Takuya? He has competed in CART, Formula Nippon and driven the Denso Sard Supra in the JGTC series. He's spent plenty of track time driving both the Diablo AND the Murcielago and in no way can be considered inexperienced.
As far as drivers go, he's about as good as they come.

 

[Tom Larkins]

Hey Edo, If your the same guy that looked at the Blk/Tan in Vancouver for me last spring you are owed dinner. I tried to email you and get info & # of the "Red Lion" and it kicked back? Please private me, I want to follow through on my word. Its the least I can do for your time.

 

[ALLAN]

i didnt mean he was an inexperienced driver, he was inexperienced behind the wheel of the Murcielago.

 

[8000RPM]

Originally posted by ALLAN:
i didnt mean he was an inexperienced driver, he was inexperienced behind the wheel of the Murcielago.

Ummm...

Try reading the 3rd sentence of the 2nd paragraph of Edo's post again.