NA2 NSX-R VS. World's Supercars.

[millionshopper]

http://www.runeb.org/www_docs/Jexoticasite/soundandvideo/Best_Motoring-SuperCar_Race.mpg
Awesome...awesome....awesome video. F50, GT2, Murcielago, Gemballa Porsche VS. our loved NSX-R. Now if only it had a Basch Supercharger it will give the F50 a run for its money.

 

[NSX 3.0]

I second that...awesome video thanks for posting it.

Steven 91 Blk/Ivory

 

[BITeR]

That's my humble little web site!
Glad I can please the community.

There are more NSX-R movies there...
http://www.jexoticar.com ---> media archive. Sign the guestbook while you're there.

[This message has been edited by BITeR (edited 06 January 2003).]

 

[BostonNSX]

hey thanks,,. can you post the full video??? I was like ??? when it ends..

 

[blurr]

Sweet, they are spreading...

BTW that is the entire race. I cut it after they showed the results..

 

[maomaonsx]

damn, I just spent $30 on the original tape!!!!

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George W
Porsche 996 for sale!

 

[blurr]

Originally posted by maomaonsx:
damn, I just spent $30 on the original tape!!!!

This isn't in english. You spent $30 for it? I couldn't find anyone that would sell the Japanese videos to me so I ended up getting it from Hong Kong on VCD for $6

[This message has been edited by blurr (edited 06 January 2003).]

 

[Zanardi 50]

Thank you, BiTer, for providing the visual clip on the following thread: http://www.nsxprime.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007207.html

Cheers!

 

[Timbo]

Oooooh, man is that awesome. Gave me goose bumps.

I've only seen the Lambo in pictures, it looks so much better in motion (and I would guess even better in real life), it is one of the most stunning cars ever made. Although, I thought it would perform better.

Very scrappy performance by the l'il Honda, hanging in there w/ those huge HP supercars.

Q: some of these cars were RHD, some were LHD. Wouldnt it make a difference in the lap times, depending on which way the track turns? You know how our LHD cars pull .02g or so better turning left than right, due to the driver's weight being closer to the middle? I couldnt tell which way the track was oriented, but seems this might come into play.

 

[Tom Larkins]

Not bad for a 11 year old base design and cars the cost more $'s. Quite evident the R is lacking a better braking/suspension system and of course HP. That track looked like a HP/torque monster. Makes me wonder if this type of result is the reason Acura in so slow to make design changes.

Someone should send a copy of the video to those fools that did the shootout for R & T

 

[NeoNSX]

hey, thanx gomaidy for posting that video clip... coz i was unable to leech it from Blurr's ftp site... thanx.

 

[maomaonsx]

Originally posted by blurr:
This isn't in english. You spent $30 for it? I couldn't find anyone that would sell the Japanese videos to me so I ended up getting it from Hong Kong on VCD for $6

[This message has been edited by blurr (edited 06 January 2003).]

I found a copy in San Francisco Japan-town. Actually my friend is sending me a HK version VCD too, but I just couldn't wait anymore and bought the tape. Also I noticed the HK version VCDs, despite being officially licensed, does not have any background music, some what annoying.

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George W
Porsche 996 for sale!

 

[maomaonsx]

Originally posted by Tom Larkins:
Quite evident the R is lacking a better braking/suspension system and of course HP.

You gotta be kidding, watch the video again and you'll see the R clearly out-braking and carrying more corner speed than the Lambo. This car needs nothing! It's such a balanced, complete package tuned to the max, that anything more would make it worse.Do you know that things as little as the side air-inlet on the front bumper is R specific to contribute to the total aerodynamic performance? And that the negative lift ratio has been tuned to match the weight distribution of the R? For the askign price of the car, it cannot be made any better. Honda only needs to bring a few over here...

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George W
Porsche 996 for sale!

 

[mlambert890]

Ill second that... One thing Ive learned from my Best Motoring archive is that we are in sore need of the Type R here in the states...

 

[dallandra]

ok this has probably been brought up many times before, so i appologise before hand - i'm new to this forum

i'm having a heated debate with a passionate R34 GT-R fan... he reckons that car will beat the new NSX-R around teh Nurburgring

anyone have details/times to clarify this matter?

i read on another thread on this forum that Gan San of Best Motoring did it in the new NSX-R in 7min 57sec...
but again, he (my friend) wont take hearsay, and wants proof hehe

i know the Skyline GT-R has broken the 8min barrier...so i think it will be close, but how close?

 

[blurr]

Best Motoring Special #55 : http://www.bestmotoring.jp/backnumber/vs/in_55.html

Is a video of him doing the 7:56 lap. I can't find it for sale anywhere though.

 

[NetViper]

How can you say the R doesnt need more HP? At 274 HP, it is less than what we have over here. It got CREAMED by the lambo on the straights more than once. With 75 more HP, the lambo would not have stood a chance. It was WAY WAY too easy for the lambo to blow past the NSX at the finish line. Almost brought a tear to my eyes... all that hard work to stay ahead, and then wham, toasted at the last second.

 

[gheba_nsx]

Nice video! Really nice video!

 

[mlambert890]

It's not that easy to just say more HP would have made the difference vs. the Lambo. The NSX-R placed 4th in front of two cars that beat it in the HP dept. If a Viper had been there, it would have been high in the HP pissing contest, but may not have toppled that NSX-R. It's about more than HP, it's about balance when you are talking about the track.

It may be true that the NSX platform is ready for an overhaul and a HP infusion, but I don't think that video is evidence of it, nor do I think that a cheap and dirty fix like bolting FI on a NA engine would be appropriate (for the brand). To be honest, watching that video, I think I can actually understand Honda's mindset.

They have a true prestige vehicle that is a hometown favorite. They can *still* hang with cars 2-3x the price and 1.5-2x the HP. They can ignore cars like the Vette and Viper because they aren't even really attempting to enter that market. In the meantime, they can continue to sell an NSX or two to enthusiasts while they plan the best way to move forward.

 

[Tom Larkins]

Originally posted by maomaonsx:
You gotta be kidding, watch the video again and you'll see the R clearly out-braking and carrying more corner speed than the Lambo. This car needs nothing! It's such a balanced, complete package tuned to the max, that anything more would make it worse.Do you know that things as little as the side air-inlet on the front bumper is R specific to contribute to the total aerodynamic performance? And that the negative lift ratio has been tuned to match the weight distribution of the R? For the askign price of the car, it cannot be made any better. Honda only needs to bring a few over here...

Don't get chapped about it, in short it faired well "not bad" as I stated for a 11 yr old design. Like yourself, I watched it several times and it is what it is !

Ray Charles can see the Lambo took a look one time b/f he actually took him the second time. The only reason he didn't go for it was b/c it wasn't his $280k car he was playing with. The second time when the Lambo took him it was with ease for the most part, although the Lambo lost it at the left hander of the s-curve w/wheel spin as the R shot back by him. If the R had more HP in combo w/brakes it wouldn't have been so close IMO for the Lambo to get where it did. As for the first two cars, they were gone and clearly superior in all aspects. Again, it did well considering the competition and considering the cost of the other cars I was laughing.

Side air inlets, aerodynamic package, great, but not good enough.

 

[mlambert890]

I think "not bad for an 11 year old design" is kind of extreme. Look:

1 - Ferrari F50 - MODDED
2 - Porsche 911TT GT2
3 - Lamborghini Murcielago
4 - NSX-R
5 - Porsche 911TT Gemballa - TUNER CAR
6 - Porsche 911 Carrera 4S

The NSX placed mid field in a battle against cars that are all new and all much more expensive. If the NSX-R had brought up the rear but held its own, I'd say it did "not bad for an 11 year old car". But to place mid field and only be beaten by $200K+ cars?

 

[gheba_nsx]

I watched it again a few minutes ago (and I am converting it in VCD format right now so I will see it again on my Home Cinema later!

).I also agree, the NSX-R did very well.
And I also think the BM-testers understood that leaving the NSX in front of the Murcielago... would have been too much!

It was easy for the Lambo pass the NSX and finish the race before it. The difference in speed that you see before the finish line is way too much to refeect what it was seen the rest of the race between the NSX and the Murcielago. Very good anyway!

 

[RyRy210]

Originally posted by blurr:
Best Motoring Special #55 : http://www.bestmotoring.jp/backnumber/vs/in_55.html

Is a video of him doing the 7:56 lap. I can't find it for sale anywhere though.

I bought mine in little tokyo in the curry house plaza.



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2001 NSX-T
- Bilstein Shocks
- '02 OEM Wheels

 

[maomaonsx]

Originally posted by NetViper:
How can you say the R doesnt need more HP? At 274 HP, it is less than what we have over here. It got CREAMED by the lambo on the straights more than once. With 75 more HP, the lambo would not have stood a chance. It was WAY WAY too easy for the lambo to blow past the NSX at the finish line. Almost brought a tear to my eyes... all that hard work to stay ahead, and then wham, toasted at the last second.

the NSX-R is "rated" at 274hp. In the realworld, I'm willing to bet you my NSX that it has more. Probably exceeds 300hp after the blueprinting, rotating mass reduction, and who knows that other secret stuff they did. The car runs 12.6~12.8 in the 1/4, does over 170mph, and weight 2800lbs. At SUGO, a very torque demanding track, the lambo with twice the number of cylinders would of course better it in straight line accelerations. But the point is, the NSX-R is still within 1 second of the Lambos lap time.The NSX-R is all about BALANCE. Changing a single variable of the equation will simply screw it up. You can't just say, "give me 50 more hp," without hurting its braking ability, cornering ability, and aerodynamic effciency. For me, I'm wouldn't sacrifice the latter three for the sake of more power. It is also not what the NSX or the NSX-R is designed for. If power is your number 1 priority, the NSX really isn't the car for it.

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George W
Porsche 996 for sale!

 

[Zanardi 50]

Originally posted by Tom Larkins:

Someone should send a copy of the video to those fools that did the shootout for R & T

If you're referring to R&T's 3 car shootout (911 Carrera, NSX-T, and Z06), then I definitely agree. I thought it was unfair to compare the lowest-performer of the NSX line-up against Corvette's best. Man it's just not fair I tell ya!