My Interview With Shigeru Uehara some NSX R/S myths dispelled.

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Russ: About the NA1 C30 Type R. Was any extra time spent port and polishing and balancing the engine like the later model or is the Type R C30 exactly the same as every other NA1?

Shigeru: Certainly, we spent extra time on the NA1 C30 Type R engine.That was for balancing work on rotation mass such as piston and connecting rod. We make the scatter of rotation mass on each cylinder less one half than NA1 conventional engine.It could increase the engine response and decreasing the vibration.This is the only one different item on Type R engine.As you may know, this technique is come from racing engine tuning. As for the new NA2 Type R engine, we made balancing one step ahead.Under the condition of connecting crankshaft, clutch cover, and flywheel we realized perfect dynamic balancing same as F1 machine method adding NA1 Type R balancing.Finally we reached to 1/10 balancing accuracy than conventional NSX engine. And reducing engine friction. We got sharp engine response.

Russ: That is very interesting! In all my research I was never able to find a firm answer to that question. I do have a couple of other questions that are equally as mysterious to me and members of NSXPrime, since you invited me to ask. Thank you.

Russ: In the standard NSX an orange or yellow spare wheel was included it has been suggested that it was painted this color because it is a crash safety feature but this feature was deleted on the NA2 NSX R. Was it determined that the actual crash safety was minimal?

Shigeru: The reason of the NA2 Type R having no spare is weight reduction.At that time releasing NA2 Type R Japanese automotive law allowed to use air bombe for flat tire. So we could remove spare tire. Yellow spare tire has not any effect on any safety features.

Russ: Many of the hp/torque gains between the NA1 and NA2 NSX are the result of the different exhaust. Was this exhaust developed on the NA1 R and then later made a standard feature on the standard NA2 or is the NA1 R exhaust the same as a standard NA1 just different exhaust tip?

Shigeru: Type R NA1 exhaust was used just same as nominal 3.0L engine using cast iron.All NA2 engine has stainless exhaust manifold to get more torque and power for the purpose of increased displacement. So all NA1 engines have cast iron exhaust and all NA2 engines have stainless one. Basically we had just 2 types of NA1 and NA2 engines on NSX.

Russ: The NA1 models had a steel rear bumper beam and the NA2 models had an aluminum rear bumper beam. As well the Type R model and all aluminum beams in front and back and in the doors. Are the safety standards the same even though lighter aluminum material was used?

Shigeru: As you know we use aluminum for reducing weight. But we would not reduce the safety level.Type R was the first challenge for using aluminum bumper and door beams then we used them widely on standard model for reducing weight. Basically the aluminum material itself has the same characteristic on strength. So the safety standard would not change both aluminum and steel.We always made a big effort for weight reduction from beginning to ending on NSX project. NSX has finished the production just minas 10kg comparing to early model in spite of a lot of weight demanding at minor change such as wheel size up, brake size up, engine size up, trans mission from 5MT to 6MT and etc. Always for the NSX, the weigh reduction was the most important item.

Russ: Were there 3 versions of the Type S suspension? The original Type S, Zanardi, and NA2 Type S? I understand that the Type S Zero used the NA1R suspension but if there were minor differences between the Type S Zero and NA1R suspension then that would be a fourth version perhaps.

Shigeru: The suspension of the Zanardi version was the same as Type S version and also the same as NA2 Type S suspension. Type S Zero suspension was same as NA1 Type R suspension. So we have 2 types of Type S suspension. There is not the third or fourth suspension.


Russ: Thank you for answering my questions! This will clear up quite a few debates that we've had on NSXPrime! Thank you again for everything! I'll stay in touch and email you occasionally just to say hi.




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Thank you very much for posting the interview.

It does in fact answer some of the questions about the NSX/NSX-R.
Have to admit though, that I could/would have asked lots and lots of other question about the NSX given the chance.
 
Thank you very much for posting the interview.

It does in fact answer some of the questions about the NSX/NSX-R.
Have to admit though, that I could/would have asked lots and lots of other question about the NSX given the chance.

Make a list. I don't want to overwhelm him but I do have the ability to reach out to him occasionally.
 
Make a list. I don't want to overwhelm him but I do have the ability to reach out to him occasionally.

Ask about the NSX-R GT, if I remember correctly only 5 of them were made and sold to private collectors for $500k each before they we officially on sale. There is very little to no chance at all that we will ever know what the actual differences were betwen NSX-R and NSX-R GT.
 
Russ: About the NA1 C30 Type R. Was any extra time spent port and polishing and balancing the engine like the later model or is the Type R C30 exactly the same as every other NA1?

Shigeru: Certainly, we spent extra time on the NA1 C30 Type R engine.That was for balancing work on rotation mass such as piston and connecting rod. We make the scatter of rotation mass on each cylinder less one half than NA1 conventional engine.It could increase the engine response and decreasing the vibration.This is the only one different item on Type R engine.As you may know, this technique is come from racing engine tuning. As for the new NA2 Type R engine, we made balancing one step ahead.Under the condition of connecting crankshaft, clutch cover, and flywheel we realized perfect dynamic balancing same as F1 machine method adding NA1 Type R balancing.Finally we reached to 1/10 balancing accuracy than conventional NSX engine. And reducing engine friction. We got sharp engine response......

Thanks. Good to know that my engine should be balanced to that level too and the benefits to follow.
 
Interesting. Thank you!

I had always been told that the spare wheel was part of the front "crush zone" safety design.
 
Outstanding! This needs to be in the wiki.

If you think it's worthy I'd like to know why the trunk lid spoiler was incorporated and why didn't they go with a full underbelly cover treatment for the NSX-R.

i answered the trunk spoiler in another thread, the new front end is better aerodynamically, so the trunk lid spoiler was added along with the rear valence to balance out the aero. there were numbers also.
 
Thanks. Good to know that my engine should be balanced to that level too and the benefits to follow.

i knew the stock engine was poorly balanced the moment i drove my car with the Autowave ATI Harmonic Damper... it is insane how smooth that made it, its like a rotary now.
 
What does this note at the bottom of the original post mean?

Note: Zanardi is linear and Type S is progressive.

This is contradicted by Uehara's statement that the Zanardi suspension is the same as the Type S. (Which is what I have always read in all literature.)
 
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This thread is golden. Thank you for being a mythbuster- now I feel safer having deleted my spare.
 
What does this note at the bottom of the original post mean?



This is contradicted by Uehara's statement that the Zanardi suspension is the same as the Type S. (Which is what I have always read in all literature.)

This is something that I plan on getting more clarification on if possible however I don't believe he meant to mislead us but simply left that minor detail out.

Here's a visual comparison

Zanardi
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Type S
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I'm not a suspension expert so maybe someone who is can comment.
 
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am i not seeing the remote canisters? how can it be the same without that? :confused:

EDIT: that link says "Type-S_0" so it would make sense, Type S ZERO is the same as NA1 Type R.
 
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am i not seeing the remote canisters? how can it be the same without that? :confused:

EDIT: that link says "Type-S_0" so it would make sense, Type S ZERO is the same as NA1 Type R.

Oh shit. My bad. I have a photo of NA1R suspension in there where I meant to put S. Let me fix that.

EDIT: Help me find a pic of this. PS it's pretty cool when you're randomly searching for something using Google Image Search and you find your own car.
 
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i can't seem to find any pics.

but there might be some truth to that, as in the video where Tsuchiya reviewed the old vs new Type S (among others), the older one "had more movement" vs the new one. a progressive rate spring would alleviate that for sure. he also said something like "the stroke is long" which a progressive rate spring might convey. just speculation on my part though.

i think it would make sense for Zanardi/ Pre-02 type S to be the same, but it doesn't make sense that 02+ wouldn't be different. less weight on the front due to the redesign would warrant some retuning. perhaps SoS can help... :wink:
 
i can't seem to find any pics.

but there might be some truth to that, as in the video where Tsuchiya reviewed the old vs new Type S (among others), the older one "had more movement" vs the new one. a progressive rate spring would alleviate that for sure. he also said something like "the stroke is long" which a progressive rate spring might convey. just speculation on my part though.

i think it would make sense for Zanardi/ Pre-02 type S to be the same, but it doesn't make sense that 02+ wouldn't be different. less weight on the front due to the redesign would warrant some retuning. perhaps SoS can help... :wink:

The video doesn't support that. In that video, there are Japanese subtitles that correct Tsuchiya has he speaks. They say Honda denies any difference between the old and new Type S suspension and the differences he felt are due to the new 17" tires (10mm wider in back, different brand, etc.).
 
The video doesn't support that. In that video, there are Japanese subtitles that correct Tsuchiya has he speaks. They say Honda denies any difference between the old and new Type S suspension and the differences he felt are due to the new 17" tires (10mm wider in back, different brand, etc.).

well in that case, i see no reason to doubt them. i wonder how difficult it would be to get a set of Zanardi's at the dealership?
 
1. So according to Japanese publications as well as BMI, there were two types of NSX-S suspension. 97 and 02 spec.

2. Also the Unicorn (NSX-R GT) were never been photographed in public or ever private events. The only the knock off spoon versions have been known to exist.

3. Blue Print the engine is a practice on NA-1 R, but my question is, is it same on NA2's once the NA2 R was introduced, since most of the 02 Spec NA2's dyno'd quite a bit more than Honda advertised. As I have assumed from reading JDM magazines and pictures, since the production was down to 300 cars a year, all NA2 engines received the same treatment since they were all made in the same room?

4. Why was Honda failed to introduce the NSX-R to the U.S? That was the worse marketing decision they have ever made on that car.

5. The Zanardi edition did not receive the Recaro Buckets as part of the treatment, was it because Honda never had FIA certification of the seat as been discussed by DF?

6. Are the NSX-R ECU tuned more aggressively than the standard cars?
 
.....4. Why was Honda failed to introduce the NSX-R to the U.S? That was the worse marketing decision they have ever made on that car......

Why would the NSX-R be a good marketing decision?

It would be more $$$. The "bang-for-the-buck" performance value would be a hard sell with the Z06 and turbo'd Japanese cars (FD, MKIV, 3KGT, 300ZXTT)......
 
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