My car is a piece of s**t and I hate it

I recommend selling the NSX and going ahead with a BRZ.
A new BRZ will probably run for years without a peep of trouble and most anything that might happen in the first few years of ownership will probably be covered under warranty.

Comments like this always make me scratch my head. It seems like he bought an NSX that either did not go through a PPI or had one done by someone with no experience with an NSX. I find it difficult to imagine that with his problems that many could not have been picked up by someone who knows what to look for, especially if a CTSC had been installed and removed.

If you actually do regular maintenance on an nsx, or even any car, it should run relatively trouble free. I bought my '96 in '99 with 22k miles on the ticker. 14 years, 100+ track days, 11,000+ track miles and 144,000+ miles overall, the car runs as well as the day I bought it. It gets serviced by Larry B each season and it is probably the most trouble free car that I have ever owned.

Thank you Honda and Larry!
 
as a point of reference,my 96 is a one owner car bought new now with about 100k miles . I have always had an open check book policy ,it is serviced by Larry B and sees little use....at its most recent visit........clutch master and slave,brake master,fuel injectors clogged,engine hatch struts,radio tuner jacked,front rotors replaced.....stuff wears out.
 
Cut your losses and sell it, the BRZ is an awesome car and you're not going to go wrong.
 
RYU...for some, the pleasure is not worth the pain. But your thought is exactly why I added the penultimate paragraph.

RSO...Sounds like your NSX requires a good bit of maintenance. You wisely have it performed on a scheduled basis by one of the best NSX shops on the planet. I think you are in a very different place than bngl3rt, and I'm not just talking geography.

bngl3rt...One other thing I meant to mention before. You talked about envying guys who could pour their money into modifications that improve the NSX. While aftermarket modifications may improve the looks or performance of the NSX, very few improve its reliability and many will eventually cause premature wear or other problems.
 
4. Brace yourself for #4 ---------- Buy a CTSC! Preparing for a CTSC allows you to go thru the entire fuel system.

Sorry RYU but that is the worst possible advice for an owner with an unreliable car.
You don't buy a $8K supercharger to be able to do basic maintenance on a fuel system.
If you have overheating, bad electrics etc.you don't need more variables to add to the complexity.

First and foremost you have to get the basic maintenance done to establish a sound baseline.
Once you've got the car reliable, then and only then can you think about which modifications make sense and what you can afford.

It sounds like perhaps the owner is not mechanically inclined, or liked the idea of NSX ownership but did not understand what comes with buying a 17 year old car.
Couple that with a modded engine, hassles with smog, registration, overheating etc. then clearly you aren't buying a pristine collectible car.
 
What has been your maintenance issues with them?
This essay describes the problems associated with stainless steel brake lines.

I've avoided them. I never, ever had a spongy feel in my stock NSX brake lines, which is the only reason to replace them. And if they need replacing, you're better off with stock lines. Unless you're just looking for the bling bling. :)
 
Sounds like most everything is related to the prior owner deferring maintenance, uninstalling a supercharger poorly and a crash.
Sucks, but not the cars fault. Personally, I would never buy a used car that had an aftermarket supercharger on it at some point. No thanks...
 
.lol ...don't tell that to the CTSC group buy folks:eek:
 
I've learned you old timers are quite set in your ways. Carry on gentlemen! My hats off to you :)
I hear you young whippersnappers enjoy "bench racing" and wasting your money on stuff you don't need so you can brag about it over beers! :tongue:
 
RSO...Sounds like your NSX requires a good bit of maintenance. You wisely have it performed on a scheduled basis by one of the best NSX shops on the planet. I think you are in a very different place than bngl3rt, and I'm not just talking geography.

Actually, I bet my maintenance is less than most people because I believe in being pro-active with maintenance rather than waiting for something to break and result in a catastrophic failure. Other than tires/pads/rotors because of the regular track usage of the car, my maintenance costs are quite low compared to what I read other people posting about. Having a tech like Larry B who can spot something most other mechanics can't certainly makes a difference because often times the cost will be less early on that after collateral damage kicks in from delayed maintenance.
 
Was this a salvage car? Consider posting the vehicle ID number?
 
Guys. Stop giving Larry so much credit. We need to keep him a secret. I have a lot of stuff I'm planning at the end of summer and I don't want you knuckleheads taking up his engine bay and for my car to be pushed back further!:biggrin:
 
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Why are people saying to sell the NSX and get a BRZ?

Why not sell the NSX and get another NSX?

And OP, I'm sorry you've had so many problems with your car. I'd say it certainly is an outlier in the reliability charts, especially with such low miles. Shoddy work, and mods with incorrect supporting mods are likely the case.

The fact that your car rolled back while in gear is, I hate to say it, a problem. It means that your motor's compression is poor, and you should look into getting a compression test when you can.
 
A local silver NSX was sold recently due to many issues like CEL, smog, etc. and the ex-owner has another NSX left in his stable. Don't know how much he spent but plenty new parts installed & $$$ + frustration. One of the problems was the car was salvaged and the wrecking yard moved the car using the folk lift approaching from the side as that is how they roll and pushed up the fuel tank just a bit to cause a tiny leak from one of the smog-"canisters" on top. It was impossible to see and diagnose. I presume this new owner will start frequent Prime and look for ways to fix the problem so good luck to him. Lesson learn in progress.
 
It's a Honda, should be like most Hondas, reliable. The longest I've ever owned a car is 11 years, and that's my NSX. It now has over 63,000 miles, the original battery was replaced after 9 years. I don't track the car, still plenty of life left on the brakes. I did have to have Larry B replace the O2 sensors, as it threw a code. I think that the worst thing I can say, is that the bottom left push button on the radio has come off, and I glued it back on. Lemons do occur, but more probably a poorly maintained car is your problem. Take it to a qualified NSX specialist, and get it "sorted out". If you don't want to bother, list it for sale, be done and get what you want. Good luck, whatever you choose to do!
 
I feel for the guy though... I am still in paranoia mode about mine... his does sound like a lot of inflicted damage, and not the cars fault, or his fault for that matter. Some cars are just possessed, I had a truck once that I was only minutes away from setting fire too MPX
 
It's a Honda, should be like most Hondas, reliable. The longest I've ever owned a car is 11 years, and that's my NSX. It now has over 63,000 miles, the original battery was replaced after 9 years. I don't track the car, still plenty of life left on the brakes. I did have to have Larry B replace the O2 sensors, as it threw a code. I think that the worst thing I can say, is that the bottom left push button on the radio has come off, and I glued it back on. Lemons do occur, but more probably a poorly maintained car is your problem. Take it to a qualified NSX specialist, and get it "sorted out". If you don't want to bother, list it for sale, be done and get what you want. Good luck, whatever you choose to do!

+1 on taking it to an NSX specialist. I'm not sure where you are located but consider these guys:

Larry B - Warwick NY, near NYC
Daisy Auto - Woodbine MD, near DC/Baltimore metros
Source 1 - Ohio
First Class Auto - Orlando
SOS - Phoenix
Ramon - Orange County

I think there are a few others that I'm forgetting of course. These guys can do a "wellness" check of your NSX. Make sure everything is healthy or isn't. Then you can get everything fixed and have some piece of mind or if you don't like the report, sell it and move on another NSX or different car. NSX specialists know the car well and guys seem to really care about getting it right.
 
Sorry to hear about your overall experience, Ben. I've followed your trials online and have spoken to you about a couple of them at meets. I know you're just frustrated and needed to vent.

Guys, Ben has good local choices to go to for maintenance and repair - but one of them was very highly rated by some respected veterans here in the Bay Area but sadly, the quality at that place has apparently dropped significantly lately, contrary to those same veterans insisting that the problems weren't that mechanic's fault. That argument aside, it really has just been bad luck and I don't think Ben is blaming the car (NSXs in general or his NSX in particular), a mechanic/shop, or anything in particular for that matter. He's just saying that he's envious that others around him have been spending their dollars on things they wanted to do, while he has spent on deferred maintenance and repairs that he had to do.

Ben, I know you'll keep the car. You're in too deep now to give up on such a great car.

I'll see you at the next meet!

J
 
You're in too deep now to give up on such a great car.

J

There are two ways to look at this:

1. If this is trying to say "you've already replaced or repaired a significant number of items such that there aren't that many more things that can go wrong", then yes, maybe it is worth keeping it. If you estimate that there really isn't much more that will go wrong, then, yes, invest the remaining $$ and get it fixed and keep it.

2. There is something I learned from the Project Management Institute (a wee bit of self-promotion here: I am PMP certified): when determining whether to continue a project, "sunk cost" is not a determinant. In other words, the forward-looking view should only be considered. It doesn't matter if a project has $1m invested; if the remaining cost to finish does not justify the benefits, then kill the project. Hence the phrase "don't throw good money after bad."

So, on #2, if the anticipated remaining work that might need to be done (and I know it's not easy to quantify) ends up outweighing the tangible value (what the car would be worth all buttoned up) + your quantification of the intangible benefits (how much is joy of ownership worth to you), sell it and move on, regardless of how much $$ has already been spent.

Of course, this is all total BS if you really want to decide this emotionally. But if you want to view it objectively, do as others have said, get a SOLID evaluation of the car's condition, what it would cost to get it where you want it, then decide, FORGETTING ABOUT WHAT IT'S ALREADY COST YOU.

Hope this makes sense. We feel ya, I HATE when my cars have problems. (I usually get p*ssed at them and sell them, even when the costs to repair were nominal and I could have enjoyed them many more years. Once I get past that point of no return where I am mad at the car, it's all over and I move on. I think you have to think the opposite way, where you want to keep the car but should sell it if the numbers don't add up.)

Best of luck either way, and let us know what you decide.
 
Wow, quite a thread we've sparked here! Too many things to respond to all of it, but let me pick and choose a few things...

James is right - a lot of my pain has been caused by shoddy workmanship a "reputable" local shop. In particular a misplaced hose clamp during the hose job leaked coolant and blew the head gasket, and the repair on the head gasket created an oil leak that lasted over six months. (If you're wondering why I went back to the same place that blew the HG to get it fixed - I didn't know about the hose clamp until after, I found it myself. Could have easily blown again if I hadn't caught it) So now you can see how we are adding up to $10k... Anyway, the car is now serviced exclusively by Jim Russell and you can read my many praises of him elsewhere.

Warren - Thanks for the tip about the compression. Turns out the CEL that lit up on Sunday was for a misfire! So the top is coming off the engine anyway to check spark plugs and coil packs so I will ask to add a compression test.

A couple of you have mentioned a PPI - there were two, one by a presumably-clueless Acura dealer with no NSX experience and one by aforementioned "reputable" local shop with "decades" of NSX experience. I will never buy another NSX that does not have the personal blessing of Jim Russell or one of the trusted techs in his phone book.

As far as buying an ex-CTSC car, maybe not my brightest moment but I had to have purple and the car was local and the price was (at the time, seemingly) right.

Batman - hopefully in a few years my shares will buy me a brand new NSX which I will maintain impeccably to avoid issues like I'm having now. Who knows, maybe they'll even sell it to me in purple.

There is plenty of blame to go around -
myself for being impulsive and jumping on the first purple car I found because I had to have that rare color, overlooking potential issues;
owner or owners previous for taking shortcuts on maint and modding (you should see the state of my ECU wire harness post-CTSC);
and the "reputable" local shop that cost me a head gasket and put several grey hairs on my new most trusted shaman Jim Russell's head

But really I was just feeling down about the whole thing and wanted to reach out to the community for some support. So thanks guys :smile:

And payam - still a bit attached but if it continues testing my patience I'll let you know. Can't imagine what anyone would want with this car knowing what you know about it - maybe for parts?
 
Sorry to hear about all your troubles. I wonder if you look on some Ferrari site and see how much the maintenance on the F cars is you'd think your NSX is a bargain. I've never owned a Ferrari and, unless I happen to have a very lucky day with the PowerBall, I never will but I've heard the costs add up very quickly for basic items yearly. Good luck.
 
I'm starting to feel the same way about mine.

Bought the car
drove for a month
snap ring breaks (new clutch + rebuild, sitting in a shop for 5 weeks)
shaft boot tears
another 3 months sitting (winter) and the visors start to crack and separate
a month later, shifting from 1st to 2nd at redline grinds
Loud clunking noise from rear now, every time I go over a bump
Decide to treat myself with the prospeed rdx injectors. Car sits for a month with no ecu, now has idle issues. Don't want to waste another month sending my ecu back.
Another month and the abs pump starts running continuously, solenoids stuck.

When I'm driving it, and it works, it's great. When it's sitting and I can't drive it, I get pissed and wish I had never bought it. I've had barely any time since I bought the thing to actually enjoy it.
 
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