More expensive brakes...

[ken sampson]

Does anyone have any skid test data that I could try on my car? Below is a link to the MFG that made my brakes. I can put these through some test if needed once the weather gets warmer. The brakes are 6 piston front and 4 piston rear and seem to stop on a dime. I can order these with a minimum order of 3 sets for about 2500.00 each set. Plus freight. http://www.winnerpower.com.tw/English/WP_Products.html

 

[stuntman]

Not familiar with the company, but keep in mind calipers are a relatively simple device and with the right machining tools, can be made easily. But to work properly under the kinds of stress they undergo, it takes a lot more engineering and testing than simply machine out piston holes and bolting a 2 halfs of a caliper together.

Again, i'm not familiar with that company but I have driven on many "BBK"s from various companies and a good rule of thumb is to follow the companies that use their products in racing competitions (AP, Brembo, Stoptech, PFC, etc...)

If you want to go for "bling" factor and to be able to say you have a 24-piston caliper, and you dont drive anything faster than street 'legal' speeds, i'm sure anything will stop you okay. But why skimp $ on one of the most important safety devices on your car (other than tires)?

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[ken sampson]

Not familiar with the company, but keep in mind calipers are a relatively simple device and with the right machining tools, can be made easily. But to work properly under the kinds of stress they undergo, it takes a lot more engineering and testing than simply machine out piston holes and bolting a 2 halfs of a caliper together.

Again, i'm not familiar with that company but I have driven on many "BBK"s from various companies and a good rule of thumb is to follow the companies that use their products in racing competitions (AP, Brembo, Stoptech, PFC, etc...)

If you want to go for "bling" factor and to be able to say you have a 24-piston caliper, and you dont drive anything faster than street 'legal' speeds, i'm sure anything will stop you okay. But why skimp $ on one of the most important safety devices on your car (other than tires)?

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I agree that’s why I asked for some test standards. I do not think these are just nice looking they work very well. Just because something cost more doesn’t make it better.

 

[stuntman]

I agree that’s why I asked for some test standards. I do not think these are just nice looking they work very well. Just because something cost more doesn’t make it better.

I agree, but often their's a reason why they're expensive... (contradictory statement?)

Engineering, development, testing, using in racing, etc... costs money. :wink:

 

[f1racr]

What a lot of the cheaper costing companies do though is to take the RND and development work of someone like Brembo or an other and just copy the design, that way you get a cheaper set of brakes as they're not having to cover the costs of that development.

Hardly ethical, but a reality I think...............

Saying that, I'm not sure I'd want to trust a non brand name without some data or real world proof to back them up.......thinking about it, I mean even if they supply you with a data sheet.....what proof is that ?

I don't think I'd be in a shape to argue with them later on if something happened at 250kph on the back straight of my local curcuit !!

I think I'm with Dave and Stuntman on this............ is it really worth it if you intend to use them seriously ? For street stuff, maybe they'll be sweet ?....

 

[titaniumdave]

Does anyone have any skid test data that I could try on my car? Below is a link to the MFG that made my brakes. I can put these through some test if needed once the weather gets warmer. The brakes are 6 piston front and 4 piston rear and seem to stop on a dime. I can order these with a minimum order of 3 sets for about 2500.00 each set. Plus freight. http://www.winnerpower.com.tw/English/WP_Products.html

This brake set is less about how fast the car stops once(which it does very well!), it is all about pedal feel and constant stopping 12 hours after it heat soaked at 580 degrees F and you are only half way through your 24 hour race! That is the design concept behind this set, others have other applications in mind.

 

[ken sampson]

I understand your use now. I would like to get another opinion on my set up.
See the link below. look at the brake lines most manufactures in the U.S. use a round banjo type fitting on the caliber. The attached is how W-PRO does it.
They screw into the caliber. They also do not have a bolt down Fitting in the middle of the line like most others do. I do like the brakes but these lines have always made me wonder. Would a standard set of lines work better say from Brembo?


http://www.winnerpower.com.tw/English/Gallery/8potgal/pic.html

 

[nsxnut]

I agree, but often their's a reason why they're expensive... (contradictory statement?)

Engineering, development, testing, using in racing, etc... costs money. :wink:

Agreed.

Ease of manufacturing and cost of materials is also a factor.
A mono block caliper will be more expensive to machine and produce.
Will also be more rigid.

A multi peace caliper will be easier to manufacture "less costly" but not as rigid.

In a racing environment the difference can be key. For the street It doesn't matter.
On the street the stock breaks are fine. On the other hand they are not that great
on the track and will not hold up in a racing environment.

A hard pill to swallow is how costly a good set of breaks can be.
There are so many kit available at a lower cost. You can compare number pistons, rotor size etc... the differences are not apparent.

On track testing and racing the differences stand out.

With a good set you can run multiple sessions back to back with never a worry.
They will be consistent every stop. You will be able to break at the last moment with confidence.
You can do this with Race Rubber and a high Hp Motor.

Hope this helps.

Later,
Don

 

[titaniumdave]

I understand your use now. I would like to get another opinion on my set up.
See the link below. look at the brake lines most manufactures in the U.S. use a round banjo type fitting on the caliber. The attached is how W-PRO does it.
They screw into the caliber. They also do not have a bolt down Fitting in the middle of the line like most others do. I do like the brakes but these lines have always made me wonder. Would a standard set of lines work better say from Brembo?


http://www.winnerpower.com.tw/English/Gallery/8potgal/pic.html

I have been using 10mm inverted flare to AN-3 fittings(like these) on all my brake packages. Pretty standard in the racing world.

 

[stuntman]

I understand your use now. I would like to get another opinion on my set up.
See the link below. look at the brake lines most manufactures in the U.S. use a round banjo type fitting on the caliber. The attached is how W-PRO does it.
They screw into the caliber. They also do not have a bolt down Fitting in the middle of the line like most others do. I do like the brakes but these lines have always made me wonder. Would a standard set of lines work better say from Brembo?


http://www.winnerpower.com.tw/English/Gallery/8potgal/pic.html

Like Dave said, the AN fittings are standard in the racing world. I would highly question those round banjo fittings and I also question you stating that "most manufacturers in the U.S use them".

I've never heard of that brake manufacturer before and I am a little concerned that they are using phillips head screws for an (inner backing plate ) on the caliper itself...

I would probably shy away from them..

 

[ken sampson]

Like Dave said, the AN fittings are standard in the racing world. I would highly question those round banjo fittings and I also question you stating that "most manufacturers in the U.S use them".

I've never heard of that brake manufacturer before and I am a little concerned that they are using phillips head screws for an (inner backing plate ) on the caliper itself...

I would probably shy away from them..

I would highly question those round banjo fittings and I also question you stating that "most manufacturers in the U.S use them".

I think my stock brake lines had the round banjo fitting. I have seen them for sale on SOS and Dali But I now realize they were for the stock brake set up.
Thanks for the correction.

 

[stuntman]

I stand corrected. Yes round banjo fittings are used on the stock calipers and many aftermarket brake systems as well as their is no 'standard' for banjo vs. AN.

Sorry for the mixup, I was thinking about a different brake line fitting. Sorry