More expensive brakes...

[titaniumdave]

In my quest to spend more money on my car, I just finished the install of my Brembo Racing brake calipers, BBK set.

Mike Messina at Brembo Racing North America, looked up the parts they sent to Realtime for their last World Challenge car. He hooked me up with the same parts, calipers, and rotors. I made custom brackets for the calipers, the hats are the same ones I made for the F-50/Lotus sets I did last summer.

I will get some better pics when I pull the car out of the garage...

 

[Jeff@Carbon6]

sa-weeeet! :biggrin:

 

[Lonestranger]

Lookin Good!! If you keep it up, you'll be able to stop before you have started!! Have you completed the re-engineering of the IC yet?:smile: Enjoy!!

 

[nsxotic911]

So you build and sel a set of brakes, and then come out with "better" ones? Come on... :tongue:

How much are these and what makes them "better" Any lighter? That's one of the things I'd like, to go (significantly) lighter than stock... My understanding is that your setup weights roughly the same..

Not clowing (like that word, "clowning" ) or anything, just sharing what would be cool

 

[titaniumdave]

So you build and sel a set of brakes, and then come out with "better" ones? Come on... :tongue:

How much are these and what makes them "better" Any lighter? That's one of the things I'd like, to go (significantly) lighter than stock... My understanding is that your setup weights roughly the same..

Not clowing (like that word, "clowning" ) or anything, just sharing what would be cool

These are the current brake set that replace/update the Comptech Pro set. The CT set were designed in the early 90's from what was available then. These are 2000+ vintage with bigger pads, beefier calipers that are more rigid and a better design which is more stable under extreme conditions. These are differential sized pistons for better balance, wider rotors on the front to help with wear on the heavier loaded end of the car. Weight is a bit lower than the F-50 package, the front calipers are 4 mm narrower as well.

This is the set of brakes which one could go run the world challenge, or a 24 hour race and never need to worry, all for about $11K to make the whole package! $7K in calipers alone...

 

[stuntman]

These are the current brake set that replace/update the Comptech Pro set. The CT set were designed in the early 90's from what was available then. These are 2000+ vintage with bigger pads, beefier calipers that are more rigid and a better design which is more stable under extreme conditions. These are differential sized pistons for better balance, wider rotors on the front to help with wear on the heavier loaded end of the car. Weight is a bit lower than the F-50 package, the front calipers are 4 mm narrower as well.

This is the set of brakes which one could go run the world challenge, or a 24 hour race and never need to worry, all for about $11K to make the whole package! $7K in calipers alone...

The Brembo GT kit that you sell (F-50)s are used in 3-6 hour Grand Am GS races (3,000lb+ cars). and work adequately. Not saying that these arent better, but you gotta remember that GT kits are used in racing too.. :biggrin:

$7K for 2 calipers? I'd rather get PFC for less than that...

 

[evof575gtc]

these brakes are awesome.
2 very special things that really stand out on these calipers

- cnc billet / machine cut
you can actually see where they machined off excess weight.

- titanium ventilated piston hats.

 

[nsxnut]

These are the current brake set that replace/update the Comptech Pro set. The CT set were designed in the early 90's from what was available then. These are 2000+ vintage with bigger pads, beefier calipers that are more rigid and a better design which is more stable under extreme conditions. These are differential sized pistons for better balance, wider rotors on the front to help with wear on the heavier loaded end of the car. Weight is a bit lower than the F-50 package, the front calipers are 4 mm narrower as well.

This is the set of brakes which one could go run the world challenge, or a 24 hour race and never need to worry, all for about $11K to make the whole package! $7K in calipers alone...

Awesome!

Great breaks are costly but wonderfull on the track!
I didn't go with this kit. If I had to do all over again I would.

My break kit also uses TI piston, without all the vent holes though.
They use TI not for making them lighter but TI doesn't conduct heat well.

 

[jdnsx]

See what happens to Dave when you "make" him drive your car with stock brakes at Mid-Ohio... he could not get back to his secret lab fast enough. :wink:

 

[titaniumdave]

$7K for 2 calipers? I'd rather get PFC for less than that...

No, that's for 4 of them...like I posted, more expensive brakes! Do I need these, hell no! Are the F-50/Lotus set good enough for my ability to drive, hell yes!

But these are cool as shit:biggrin: you have to agree...:wink:

 

[titaniumdave]

See what happens to Dave when you "make" him drive your car with stock brakes at Mid-Ohio... he could not get back to his secret lab fast enough. :wink:

Joe, Thanks for the seat time at Mid-Ohio!

We never "cooked" your brakes, nothing different pads would not have taken care of with some ducting!

 

[stuntman]

I have a new task for you:

http://www.brembo.com/NR/rdonlyres/...4D5EA890B/3042/Sixpistonsmonoblockcaliper.jpg


Front - Brembo's new Monoblock 6-piston caliper
Rear - Brembo F50


I just drove on the new Monoblock 6-piston caliper in a 500whp EVO yesterday for the Ultimate Tuner Challenge and I was extremely impressed. Slowing the car down lap after lap from 150mph using their dead-quiet street/track pads that made no noise. Absolute perfect for those who daily drive their cars and who track them. Heck it was fine under the abuse I gave it under competition conditions. I really want it!!!

 

[titaniumdave]

I have a new task for you:

http://www.brembo.com/NR/rdonlyres/...4D5EA890B/3042/Sixpistonsmonoblockcaliper.jpg


Front - Brembo's new Monoblock 6-piston caliper
Rear - Brembo F50


I just drove on the new Monoblock 6-piston caliper in a 500whp EVO yesterday for the Ultimate Tuner Challenge and I was extremely impressed. Slowing the car down lap after lap from 150mph using their dead-quiet street/track pads that made no noise. Absolute perfect for those who daily drive their cars and who track them. Heck it was fine under the abuse I gave it under competition conditions. I really want it!!!

You want them, I can make them for you! Pretty sure you will need a larger diameter master cylinder to move that much fluid but it is all possible. Pretty simple mod to get the F-50 to mount on the rears, they will work with 28-32 mm rotors so you could go with the same hats I have in stock now. Get me some calipers and I will start cutting front brackets, will these work with 328x 32 mm rotors?

 

[stuntman]

You want them, I can make them for you! Pretty sure you will need a larger diameter master cylinder to move that much fluid but it is all possible. Pretty simple mod to get the F-50 to mount on the rears, they will work with 28-32 mm rotors so you could go with the same hats I have in stock now. Get me some calipers and I will start cutting front brackets, will these work with 328x 32 mm rotors?

I don't believe so, I think they have to be 355 on a 18" wheel.

 

[Lonestranger]

"Here little boy, you want some more candy??":biggrin: It's an incideous disease we all have, don't ya know??:biggrin:

You want them, I can make them for you! Pretty sure you will need a larger diameter master cylinder to move that much fluid but it is all possible. Pretty simple mod to get the F-50 to mount on the rears, they will work with 28-32 mm rotors so you could go with the same hats I have in stock now. Get me some calipers and I will start cutting front brackets, will these work with 328x 32 mm rotors?

 

[stuntman]

Sooooo niice:

 

[john@johnhudakracing]

That's cool.

Try it if you need it, as I understand it downsides are that you might get a slightly mushy pedal with the hydraulics actuating 6 over-sized pistons on the stock 1" Honda bore. Also, more weight, I think that would edge up past stock, which for the NA2 was something like 108lbs total for everything.

I measured 27lbs per corner for the F-50 fronts. I still saved all around thou as I no longer have an e-Brake, and the Lotus rears and thinner rotor is much lighter there.

Seems like a lot of brake for street/track if you have the weight off and ducts. Of course, I no longer own any vehicles with interiors anymore either. Hmmm... :biggrin:

The larger rotor looks pretty sweet over the 18" but Dave assures me the minimalist BBK design philosophy here is faster. :wink:

Anyways, I look forward to reading the "Most Expensive Brake Thread" which I'm sure is coming.

 

[stuntman]

...but Dave assures me the minimalist BBK design philosophy here is faster. :wink:

 

[titaniumdave]

Bigger rotors take more energy to accelerate or decelerate. They have a larger MOE, and there is no need for the increased mass to adsorb heat, or the increased leverage to apply more force on the tire. A 328 mm rotor is over-kill for a sub 2600 LB. NA NSX with the F-50/Lotus caliper combination.

John's car will be slower with bigger rotors.

 

[NSXLuvr]

Brakes - what a great money pit it is.:biggrin: How does your Brembo GT kit compare to the Porsche Big Reds? I realize the Big Reds are not a simple bolt on but I would like to read your impression of the two.

Thanks.

 

[titaniumdave]

Brakes - what a great money pit it is.:biggrin: How does your Brembo GT kit compare to the Porsche Big Reds? I realize the Big Reds are not a simple bolt on but I would like to read your impression of the two.

Thanks.

The term 'Big Red', does not mean much any more, most Porsche brakes are now red...and pretty big too.

When Porsche first put the big calipers on their cars, it was a very similar caliper to the F-50, they did use specific piston diameters to balance the braking requirements of the rear engine car which are less than ideal for the NSX. The caliper combination I have put together for the F-50/Lotus package is as close to what Honda designed balance as I can buy off the shelf for street calipers. That will be a better set up than a P-car retro fit, even thought the retro fit works fine.(I just sold my 997S set to finance this R&D)

These racing calipers are another step up in performance and durability. The calipers are lighter and more rigid at higher temperatures, the pads are larger and have titanium piston hats to isolate pad heat from the calipers. Pads are fast and easy to change with no tools. These are in a different league than street brakes!

 

[stuntman]

The term 'Big Red', does not mean much any more, most Porsche brakes are now red...and pretty big too.

When Porsche first put the big calipers on their cars, it was a very similar caliper to the F-50, they did use specific piston diameters to balance the braking requirements of the rear engine car which are less than ideal for the NSX. The caliper combination I have put together for the F-50/Lotus package is as close to what Honda designed balance as I can buy off the shelf for street calipers. That will be a better set up than a P-car retro fit, even thought the retro fit works fine.(I just sold my 997S set to finance this R&D)

These racing calipers are another step up in performance and durability. The calipers are lighter and more rigid at higher temperatures, the pads are larger and have titanium piston hats to isolate pad heat from the calipers. Pads are fast and easy to change with no tools. These are in a different league than street brakes!

I should be able to give u feedback on the balance/performance of the brakes this weekend :biggrin:

 

[titaniumdave]

I should be able to give u feedback on the balance/performance of the brakes this weekend :biggrin:

You mean the F-50/Lotus brakes on the Factor X car?? Can't wait to hear!!!:biggrin:

 

[f1racr]

Keen to hear also. I know from experience that brakes (for me anyhow) are the most important area to get right............

Without the confidence in your brake setup you may as well just leave it in the garage.

After some good suspension, I think this will be the next purchase for my new project.

Looking forward to seeing how it goes.

 

[titaniumdave]

RTR Brembo race brake set!

I think this is the best set of brakes offered for the NSX that still works with stock master cylinder and 17" wheels. Not road cars parts, these are real race cars parts designed to be used hard, never fade and keep taking abuse for endurance events.

I never really thought I would make more of these but I am getting enough interest to see about making a run of brackets and hats to fit these calipers.

If I can get 2 cars together, cost will drop below $10,000 per set. If I can get 5 cars, cost will drop below $9,000 per set.

PM if any of you are serious, and I will make this happen!

Dave