Michael Schumacher is so low

scorp965 said:
The "greatest driver of the past 10 years" is not a machine, and can miscalculate, especially in a car that is having control problems as seen by Massa's Ferrari earlier in the session - Shumi is a great competitor, but he has very little to proove, you think he would risk injury or death by stopping in the middle of a race track with cars going by at full speed? What would have happened if he had thrown it into reverse and backed straight into a full-speed Alonso turning the corner?
Greatest drive of the past 10 years cannot win without the right machine!!! Just look at MS last year.

My friend, it's greed!!!

He's got 7 titles, more PP than Senna, the last thing he need is beat Senna's 6 Monaco win. That is why he will not retire until all the records are bagged.

He's team cheated in 1994 season for having illegal traction control, he ran Damon Hill off the track to bag his 1995 title, he tried to ran Villenuve off the track in 1997, and pulled a spin during qualifying two years ago to have PP. More if you like.
 
Vancehu said:
Greatest drive of the past 10 years cannot win without the right machine!!! Just look at MS last year.

My friend, it's greed!!!

He's got 7 titles, more PP than Senna, the last thing he need is beat Senna's 6 Monaco win. That is why he will not retire until all the records are bagged.

He's team cheated in 1994 season for having illegal traction control, he ran Damon Hill off the track to bag his 1995 title, he tried to ran Villenuve off the track in 1997, and pulled a spin during qualifying two years ago to have PP. More if you like.

how come they gave the title of 94 when they knew he cheated?
 
Klayton said:
Sad enough Alonso now only have to become second in every race in this season to win the championship again. It's pretty much impossible to catch him with that perfect running car he got.

Good calculation! I really missed that. It's a good reason to go out driving on a sunny sunday instead of watching boring F1. :) Alonso will do it this year I think. Finally got his hair cut. :)
 
goldNSX said:
It's a good reason to go out driving on a sunny sunday instead of watching boring F1.

It does get boring on circuits where there are so few places to pass. I love watching JGTC/GT Live races, they are the most exciting with ALMS right up there too.
 
I saw the video and it was quite obvious to me that he screwed up that corner on purpose.:mad:

considering his history of cheating - I do not find this hard to believe. Specially considering that he is 2nd to FA and needs some help to win his 8th title.
 
cmhs75 said:
what did they cheat in 94? I've heard about this but I never could catch it, specially with no one balming them for what they did,

could you please elaborate on how they cheated on 94?

Thank you

In 1994, FIA outlawed all electronic aid, including ABS, traction control, launch control, etc.

During the first three races of the season, Ayrton Senna (Driving for Williams F1) suspected that the Benetton F1 cars had undetectable electronic aid, because it always has flawless launch, extraordinary cornering speed, and unusual high-speed acceleration when using Ford V8. Benetton (Ford V8) cars were much faster than the William’s Renault (V10), which had at lease 50 to 80hp deficiency over the Renault engine. At the end of the season, FIA discovered the “undetectable electronic aid,” and Benetton admit to fact that it was “legal” because it they way they did it was in the gray area of the rulebook. Since then, FIA changed the rules by allowing limited electronic aid, so at least they can detect it. FIA however, id not do anything to discard Benetton and MS’s championship, citing that it was too late because the season was long ended.

In a way, they are responsible for Senna’s death, because the Benetton car had the advantage, which pushed Senna’s over the edge, caused his car to “Bottoming” and crashed. Senna was holding the lead during the San Marino GP when he went off the track while the MS’s Benetton was behind him.
 
Vancehu said:
In 1994, FIA outlawed all electronic aid, including ABS, traction control, launch control, etc.

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excellent information,

thank you very much that clears a lot of things.I don't think I would found a summery as good as this one if I searched in the net
 
As I said before in another thread...

"I might think Michael is innocent of unsportsman conduct.....if Michael hadn't deliberately parked his ride on the track, at a corner slowing the other qualifyers to preserve pole back when he was driving in Formula 3;

AND did it again when he was in the German Touring Car series;

AND if, in 1994 at the Australian GP, he didn't deliberately run into Damon Hill to preserve his his World Championship ("With Hill applying heavy pressure late in the race, Schumacher made an error and ran wide off the track into a wall and damaged his car. Schumacher drove back onto the track and turned his ailing car into the side of Hill's as it passed breaking Hill's front suspension rods forcing him out of the race and handing the title to Schumacher in controversial circumstances.");

AND if he didn't do it again in 1997 European GP this time against Villeneuve. Look it up.

You can't completely discount the man's penchant for convenient incidents that are suspiciously advantageous for himself and his team."

No one is disputing the mans ability to drive his ass off. I would rank him near if not at the top of F1 greatest drivers and his race day performance at Monaco is a testament to that. The flipside, however, is the man will employ morally dubious tactics to win.

PS: This thread is about MS not AS. The reason most people will overlook AS's more aggressive driving tactics and vilify MS for same 1)AS is dead and some people still believe it bad form to speak ill of the dead. 2) MS is respected for his driving abilty. AS was also respected for his ability and additionally is viewed as one of the sports more charismatic figures. Personality counts for something. Just a thought...
 
That Damon Hill collision is, by virtue of it being Formula One, the most unsportsmanlike thing I have ever seen.

A man capable of that is capable of anything. What a desperate, weak man seeing his championship slip away...:rolleyes:

Obstructing in Monaco is small potatoes for Schumi. Why would a man with his talent and abilty resort to tactics like that?:confused:
 
cmhs75 said:
I give a lot of respect for Ferrari, they are absolutley breath taking, I think they're the real reason for Michael's winning streaks. Just look at barechello, he exited Ferrari and he couldn't acomplish anything outside thier stable. and for this last race Schumacher was really hammering it hard on the Ferrari and it never broke down at all

Exactly. If there's any doubt how important the car is look at where Kimi and Montoya are at, driving those Mercedes-McLaren buckets of bolts.

Those Ferraris and Renaults are SO darn reliable. There's a lot to be said for finishing every race, every time--and having a quick car.

I hope Alonso knows what he's getting into...
 
IMO it's not only MS to me who has an image problem, it's Ferrari too. He's maybe one of the best drivers (besides Alonso and don't forget Raikönen) this year but I would never have engaged MS if I were Ferrari. In the Benetton years it was not only MS who was cheating, the whole team around Flavio Briattore was cheating excessively.
(BAR/Honda was cheating last year too. :()

Concerning the somewhat doubtful decisions by the FIA the whole 'micro-cosmos of circus-monkeys' (o-ton NZZ :)) is only keen on business and a great show regardless whatever it costs. The more cheating, rumors, intriges and so on, the better for the business and the show. F1 actually likes MS to cheat because people are talking about F1! :)

I 'missed' the last races as I do not want to be part of and support this monkey-business as there are much better things to do on a sunny sunday. :)

Just remember how F1 transformed itself in the 90's. Before that time the F1 world was ok to me so far but with the appearance of the car manufacturers in F1 the whole micro-cosmos only knows one word: business. I wonder what they do if some of the car-manufacturer leaves F1. Will be a stand-alone-party then. :D
The statements of the drivers on pratice sessions are f***ing booring: Good/bad day, good/bad wheather, had/no problems, engine blew up/was perfect. Always the same. They allways point out the importantness of the engine. Sorry, but I'm not this stupid! What really counts in F1 today is aerodynamics and mechanical grip (incl. tires), nothing else. A little more powerful engine just gives you a little bit more room to play BUT you have to find the better setup. So the car with the strongest engine is not automaticly faster than the others. But why do they not stress this point? Because most of the watchers do not understand this. As far as they can make us believe that the engine is SO important they just draw a link to their street products. It's a about business, big business, and a mirco-cosmos for circus monkeys. :)

I don't gonna watch F1 live so often. :)
 
Jin1976 said:
Don't know if this is allowed but this is what people at the other forum are currently discussing.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107621

Wow, even I underestimated the loyalty of F people:

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLATOUTRACING
This was just released by the FIA on Autosport's website.

Joaquin Verdegay, who is vice-president of the Spanish motorsport federation and one of the three stewards on duty last weekend, has revealed that all the evidence pointed towards Schumacher having acted deliberately in stopping his car.



I just read this on Autosport also - very fitting that one of the stewards is the VP of the Spanish Motorsport Federation - of course he's going to say all evidence pointed to MS.

Carol


Apparently there is a conspiracy against Schumi. The whole world is out to get him. He would never be capable of doing such a thing. WOW.
 
When you totally disregard the sporting regs in such a flagrent manner, (and remember this man is/was a leader of the GPDA, a saftey advocate), on the world stange, you deserve to have the world after you.

I can admit the he's one of the great drivers, esp when it come to _in and out_ laps, or the need to pull the series of fast laps when needed, but as a man, he's always been a putz to me. He has seven world championships, yet he'll never be a champion. He'll resort to cheap shots when ever he feels threatened.

Michael Tyson Schummacher. Mr. get it done at any cost.
 
If MS did it by accident, for a driver of his caliber, that would have been THE most pathetic mistake a F1 champion can make, specially a 7 times champ. If you seen it on TV, there is no f..k way he would have miss that corner, strictly speaking. The speed was slow, the corner was wide, after he slowed down, there were still enough room for him to move forward. The car was not damaged, and he stalled the car. When was last time you saw MS stall his car? Even during his worse spin, he always kept his engine going. Today's F1 cars are so well designed that you have to try really hard to stall the engine, when you know what you're doing.

The TV commentator flat out said "That doesn't look right" the moment when that happened. He simply did it at the wrong place, wrong time, and wrong method, if he had damaged his car, all doubts would have been erased.

All I can think of is greed. MS have one more record he wants to match/beat. It is Senna’s 6 Monaco wins. His time is running out and he had to do something. Again, if he got away from that, what’s on the paper will live forever, not people’s comments. A generation later, which all they will read is… the stats, not how MS achieved it.

The problem in F1 today is, the competition level is too low. Even during Honda’s dominants in the 80’s, other teams were still capable of winning races. In term of his 1994 and 1996 incidents, it cannot be compared to what happen between Senna and Prost, Piquet and Mansell, etc. Race crash happens often, but it’s when the points matter to the championship, people will talk. I still remember Senna’s incident with Prost in 1989 and 1990, but both were racing for championship, both were fighting for the corner, who ever lose the corner looses the championship. Therefore, the qualifying incident was really a bad missed of judgment by MS. He was in the league of his own, and really no one else can challenge him other than Alonso. He wanted to bag the racing during qualify, not during the actual race, which made it very unsportsmanlike. Fight it out during the race, second place during qualifying can still salvage/win the race by good strategy. Considering the fact that MS’s car is very much on par with Alonso’s.

We all know what MS can do when the car is right, it’s that tight margin (car’s performance compare to Renault) caused him to commit that rule violation. In a way, if you can walk with a million dollar vs. nothing, which way would you choose? It’s really depend on how much you have to loose, and how far you are willing to go to get that million.
 
>>No one else than Michael himself does know what happend in that corner

Wrong! You forget about the car's telemetry. The team knows everything about the car's handling, engine etc. and said nothing to disprove the FIA's allegations - pretty damning in its own right.
 
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