Michael Schumacher is so low

It wasn't so obvious to me. MS is still the best or at least in the top three or four drivers. He showed it today. He is getting old and has his share of brain fades but I don't think you can say it was a deliberate move to park the car at Rascasse.
 
What did he say about this? That it was a engine failure or something?

He did drive aggressive today in Monaco.
 
MS is currently running below his qualifiying times, no doubt due to traffic but Monaco is the wrong circuit to have to fight from back of the pack. So narrow, so few traditional passing opportunities. Also unless I missed my guess MS does a much better job of defending top positions verses gaining positions. He doesn't work from the back very well. I'm giving MS maybe 11th or 12th place, maybe 8th-10th place if Ferrari can successfully utilize the 1 stop fuel strategy. We'll see. Good drama though.
 
Tony Montoya said:
It wasn't so obvious to me. MS is still the best or at least in the top three or four drivers. He showed it today. He is getting old and has his share of brain fades but I don't think you can say it was a deliberate move to park the car at Rascasse.

You really don't think he did that on purpose, come on... He was famous for doing the same thing when he was younger. This is why I am loosing interest in F1, there is too much drama, getting just like Nascar.
 
MS messed up the corner worse than a rookie. That is believable, it has happened to others before most notably his brother Ralf at the same corner. When MS couldn't complete the turn, he was stopped with his spoiler in danger of hitting the wall, he decided to conveniently just turn the car off. He actually should have backed up and then gone forward. That was the dirty part and he deserved a 10 place penalty but not a back of the grid penalty for that.
 
There is no absolute proof the incident was intentional, that is why 8 hours of deliberation were necessary; I feel the decision was a bit harsh, given the circumstances, and a better resolution might have simply been to take away his three fastest times, as they did to Fisi for holding up Coulthard.

Regardless the race itself showed Michael is still an awesome competitor, and a force in F1, as he started from the pit lane and worked his way up to 4th on a track that is a PITA to overtake on, in cars that are not ideal for overtaking - the F-car and Shumi haters will jump on anything they can in an effort to attack this guy, when there is a very real possibility he simply made a driver error (those do still happen, even in F1) - also note Massa crashed out his Ferrari after visible traction problems, and Michael locked up going into the corner - if the car was a handful a driver error is even more possible, but instead he gets sent to the back of the grid.

Even if the event were intentional, which there is no absolute evidence of, there have been many drivers in formula 1 who were just as ruthless in their pursuit of victory, Senna being a notable world champion, famous for the same actions everyone attacks Shumi for.
 
twizt2 said:
[..] I'm giving MS maybe 11th or 12th place, maybe 8th-10th place if Ferrari can successfully utilize the 1 stop fuel strategy.[..]

Actually he went from 22th to 5th place. No one else than Michael himself does know what happend in that corner in the qualification and I believe him, not the judges or the press, he was there not any of the people who are now talking about the incident. If someone is successful there will always be envier who stop from nothing, not even assumptions.

Sad enough Alonso now only have to become second in every race in this season to win the championship again. It's pretty much impossible to catch him with that perfect running car he got.

Superfluous addition: Fastest round.. guess who?.. Micheal, yep.
 
scorp965 said:
There is no absolute proof the incident was intentional, that is why 8 hours of deliberation were necessary; I feel the decision was a bit harsh, given the circumstances, and a better resolution might have simply been to take away his three fastest times, as they did to Fisi for holding up Coulthard.

Regardless the race itself showed Michael is still an awesome competitor, and a force in F1, as he started from the pit lane and worked his way up to 4th on a track that is a PITA to overtake on, in cars that are not ideal for overtaking - the F-car and Shumi haters will jump on anything they can in an effort to attack this guy, when there is a very real possibility he simply made a driver error (those do still happen, even in F1) - also note Massa crashed out his Ferrari after visible traction problems, and Michael locked up going into the corner - if the car was a handful a driver error is even more possible, but instead he gets sent to the back of the grid.

Even if the event were intentional, which there is no absolute evidence of, there have been many drivers in formula 1 who were just as ruthless in their pursuit of victory, Senna being a notable world champion, famous for the same actions everyone attacks Shumi for.

I totally disagree with that, there is no way the "greatest" drive of the past ten years can make such a mistake. Dude, he missed the corner going some thing that looks like 20 MPH!!!
 
scorp965 said:
There is no absolute proof the incident was intentional, that is why 8 hours of deliberation were necessary; I feel the decision was a bit harsh, given the circumstances, and a better resolution might have simply been to take away his three fastest times, as they did to Fisi for holding up Coulthard.

Regardless the race itself showed Michael is still an awesome competitor, and a force in F1, as he started from the pit lane and worked his way up to 4th on a track that is a PITA to overtake on, in cars that are not ideal for overtaking - the F-car and Shumi haters will jump on anything they can in an effort to attack this guy, when there is a very real possibility he simply made a driver error (those do still happen, even in F1) - also note Massa crashed out his Ferrari after visible traction problems, and Michael locked up going into the corner - if the car was a handful a driver error is even more possible, but instead he gets sent to the back of the grid.

Even if the event were intentional, which there is no absolute evidence of, there have been many drivers in formula 1 who were just as ruthless in their pursuit of victory, Senna being a notable world champion, famous for the same actions everyone attacks Shumi for.

I totally disagree with that, there is no way the "greatest" drive of the past ten years can make such a mistake. Dude, he missed the corner going some thing that looks like 20 MPH!!!
 
Vancehu said:
I totally disagree with that, there is no way the "greatest" drive of the past ten years can make such a mistake. Dude, he missed the corner going some thing that looks like 20 MPH!!!

The "greatest driver of the past 10 years" is not a machine, and can miscalculate, especially in a car that is having control problems as seen by Massa's Ferrari earlier in the session - Shumi is a great competitor, but he has very little to proove, you think he would risk injury or death by stopping in the middle of a race track with cars going by at full speed? What would have happened if he had thrown it into reverse and backed straight into a full-speed Alonso turning the corner?
 
Re: "Unsportsmanlike" is mild

The "greatest driver of the past 10 years" is not a machine, and can miscalculate,
Yeah, he miscalculated alright; miscalculated getting caught. The on-board video showed he blatantly screwed up the line on entry and then, when that wasn't bad enough, he made a "correction" and steered right into the wall. Varsha, Hobbs and Matchett were all skeptically clucking in unison. Varsha immediately said MS was "famous" for pulling shannanigans like that, starting with his F-3 and karting days. There was no question in anyone's mind. And that post Q interview was a joke; he couldn't even come up with a 1/2 way plausible explanation. I'm just a little pissed off it took so long for the stewards to make the call and send him to the back.

Don't get me wrong, I like Michael myself, I think he's incredible, but he really blew that one. And if I were Freddy, I'd be proud that I was the reason MS stooped so low.
 
That's why some people called him 'Schummel-Schumi' (cheating Schumacher) some years ago. Do you remember the foul against Hill 1994, against Villeneuve 1997 and the fuel filter cheating in the Renault team? It took him about more than 5 (!) years to get over this label and now ... he's back to it. :)
 
Schumacher have a vecation-place in Norway which he visits few times a year. I talked to some norwegians here and they played football ("soccer") with him, and said that in real life he was just another guy - nothing "I'm better than you" about him.

Maybe the media's just giving him bad coverage? Seems like a LOT of people hate him even before he starts to drive the car...
 
I give a lot of respect for Ferrari, they are absolutley breath taking, I think they're the real reason for Michael's winning streaks. Just look at barechello, he exited Ferrari and he couldn't acomplish anything outside thier stable. and for this last race Schumacher was really hammering it hard on the Ferrari and it never broke down at all

Ferrari are a top notch team that really deserve all the respect they can get, unfortunately not the same can be said about their current number one driver.
 
There was one time when Barrichello gave the first place to Schumi. Don't like Schumi and Ferrari coz thhe got away with so many cheats. First the flexing front wing, then the short braking in the tunnel which led to the rear driver the hit Schumi's car last season and I can't afford one. Always be a Honda supporter.
 
In the post qualifying interview - he played totally dumb. He said it was a mistake and he was not expecting to be sitting on pole.

Then he went and mouthed off to a bunch of microphones saying things like "I have been doing this for many years and people should know by now who I am, what I am about and what I am capable of".

What a dummy! THen they stuffed him to the back of the grid.
 
Vancehu said:
I can, he cheated year after year. If I have my way, I would strip him of his 1994, 95, and 2000 championship title.

Vance

You are right about 94 but it was the whole team that cheated. I'm not sure about 95 and 2000 but there were probably some issues with the cars in those years too. TC that couldn't be found or something.
 
Tony Montoya said:
You are right about 94 but it was the whole team that cheated. I'm not sure about 95 and 2000 but there were probably some issues with the cars in those years too. TC that couldn't be found or something.

what did they cheat in 94? I've heard about this but I never could catch it, specially with no one balming them for what they did,

could you please elaborate on how they cheated on 94?

Thank you
 
cmhs75 said:
what did they cheat in 94? I've heard about this but I never could catch it, specially with no one balming them for what they did,

could you please elaborate on how they cheated on 94?

Thank you

They removed a filter from the fuel dispenser contrary to FIA regulations.
 
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