MSRP is $92,120, including $995 shipping and $1,300 gas guzzler tax.
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LOTUS TT VS BASCH SUPERCHARGED NSX
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MSRP is $92,120, including $995 shipping and $1,300 gas guzzler tax.
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Most threads that knock NSX's get pretty good traffic.
Touche
Deqle people compare 30k NSX to 150k Modena. I compare 6k Civic to 30k NSX. Would it be fair now?
(*)
Anyway that is not the point. The point is that you cannot compare stock vs modified (NSX SC vs Lotus) claiming that it is a fair comparison only becaue the Lotus costs more... and teh NSX is modified in order "to regain lost ground".
Again one is stock and the other not. Apples vs oranges.
(*) it is scaring looking at those numbers: we stay at the F360 as the Civic stays at us!
Anyway that is not the point. The point is that you cannot compare stock vs modified (NSX SC vs Lotus) claiming that it is a fair comparison only becaue the Lotus costs more... and teh NSX is modified in order "to regain lost ground".
Again one is stock and the other not. Apples vs oranges.
(*) it is scaring looking at those numbers: we stay at the F360 as the Civic stays at us!
Allan,
Could you give us a run down on the prices that lotus's are going for. You seem to know the most about them.
Could you give us a run down on the prices that lotus's are going for. You seem to know the most about them.
Look here:
http://www.cars.com/search/used/cc/standard/results/multipl e/fs_search_results.jhtml?aff=newsstar&_requestid=894691
IF that doesnt work, just go to cars.com and search for lotus. I can tell you that they don't hold their value like the NSX.
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Allan,
Have you ever thought about selling your NSX?
Have you ever thought about selling your NSX?
ALLAN
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Well, saying that Lotus's dont hold the their value like the nsx is also not completely true. An Nsx retails for almost 90,000, and some dealers will discount them almost 15k, while others wont. Here in scottsdale they wont, so buying a new one you potentially suffer a 25,000 loss immediately. Both cars sell by condition, i have seen 20,000 dollar Nsx with 150,000 miles, and i have seen 30,000 mile NSX's for 35,000, both 91 vehicles. early lotus's 88-89 can be had for less than 20,000. 90-93 for about 25,000. 94-95- 25-33,000. 97 tt from 35-42,000, 98-99 -45-50,000. i have heard that for the money, a 95 S4S is a great car. 300hp 4 cyl, with lots of available upgrades.
I think he wants to keep it so he can kick it from time to time.
Whoa whoa.
If he sold his NSX, he would no longer have the elite status of being the only troll on this board who actually owns the car. All other NSX bashers are merely ordinary trolls.
ALLAN
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Oh Edwardo,
I am not a troll, as a board troll is someone who completely and utterly bashes a certain vehicle. I do not completely bash the nsx, as i have pointed out many of its strengths as well as its weakness's. Even in my direct comparison of the Lotus i noted several key aspects in which the nsx bettered the lotus.
Maybe you Edwardo like to limit yourself , but i like to experience all that life has to offer, variety is the spice of life after all. But hell, you can die thinking the nsx is the best and do all that you can to brainwash yourself of that idea in the meantime.
ALLAN
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Not really, as for me its a great all round vehicle.
Allan chill!
I am just playing. I read your comparison of the Lotus and NSX. You had some very nice things to say about the NSX in that review.
Can I not poke and prod a bit?
I am just playing. I read your comparison of the Lotus and NSX. You had some very nice things to say about the NSX in that review.
Can I not poke and prod a bit?
That's a reasonable estimate:
- does "miscellaneous" include suspension ?? It could be more $$
- $10K for engine mods is probably conservative: $5K for intake/header/exhaust, $2K for gears/R&P, and probably $6-8K for a decent forced-induction system...
add to that engine reinforcements if you up the ante, tuning, uprated clutch, NOS, more tuning, more boost, etc...
It is OBVIOUS that Deqle has no idea between Turbo and SC. The SC can only deliver that so called 400HP at redline while the Turbo hits the max HP at a MUCH lower rpm range.
Also Deqle... do you have any idea of what Torque is??? If you did you would not have even placed your post because the Turbo on the Lotus creates a much larger torque curve than any SC'd NSX.
I always read of Deqle's ignorance and wish he would do more homework prior to posting!
Also Deqle... do you have any idea of what Torque is??? If you did you would not have even placed your post because the Turbo on the Lotus creates a much larger torque curve than any SC'd NSX.
I always read of Deqle's ignorance and wish he would do more homework prior to posting!
Allan ........
i think alot of people are too sensitive about the nsx .....geez it only a car .
its a great 12 years ago like you said
people on this forum gotta realize there are much better cars out there ,faster, cheaper .
open up your eyes
i think alot of people are too sensitive about the nsx .....geez it only a car .
its a great 12 years ago like you said
people on this forum gotta realize there are much better cars out there ,faster, cheaper .
open up your eyes
Not many are good daily drivers though. That is important to those of us with only one car.
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Not true. Well actually, I'm not sure I can parse what a "larger" torque curve is, but if you take the integral of the torque or power curve over some comparable, wide RPM intervals of interest, the positive displacement SC NSXs (CTSC, GruppeM) do very well. Useful boost starting from around 2K RPM to redline - essentially they just displace the entire torque curve vertically. Relative to a centrifugal SC in an NSX application, you may have a point. For example, my CTSC NSX makes more RWHP than the crank Lotus TT spec and the torque curve is essentially just a horizontal line. I've driven the V8TT lotus and in stock trim it's not faster than a well sorted positive displaceent SC NSX nor even a properly sorted SC M3. But it might be better looking. And of course, there's no law that requires you to keep the lotus stock (well, maybe here in CA...).
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TypeFastNSX,
Who is it joker? Do you race your NSX or any other type of sport car that often. have you been in a supercharged NSX yet? I saw that you have 6 post to your credit, it would be wise for you to tone down your voice, and stop calling people out when you don't know them
Who is it joker? Do you race your NSX or any other type of sport car that often. have you been in a supercharged NSX yet? I saw that you have 6 post to your credit, it would be wise for you to tone down your voice, and stop calling people out when you don't know them
ALLAN
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I was being conservative, very conservative. if you really wanted to do things right youd go into the motor, and at that point, just there, your looking at another 10-14,000. Also, once you start playing with these cars in these ways, you start to hurt one thing that everyone here always brings up as one of the Nsx's biggest strong points...reliability.
even Smoore said he was racing a supercharged nsx and something blew up on it and it was blowing oil all over the rear window. Additional power wears things out faster, ie clutches, a pretty expensive maintenence item for the nsx. So in the end you could easily end up spending 75-80,000 on your nsx, but you could of had a nice ferrari 355 coupe, a nice porsche 993tt,a countach, a new viper, if you looked really hard almost a 91 diablo etc. the choice you make is up to you, and some of you might really rather still have an nsx at that point, but i for one, would not.
and again as far as a well sorted supercharged nsx being faster than a bone stock lotus, i dont think soo. this car was just recently gone through by Mark Basch with all the latest upgrades, and is fully sorted. to tell you the truth, the car is night and day from when it was first supercharged. it runs great, honestly i didnt think it would be as fast as it was.
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Allan, you are usually right, but don't generalize beyond your knowledge. Most CTSC run about 320 RWHP. Well sorted ones run about 360! Slight difference. Ask FactorX. And though it sounds lower than the BBSC you faced, CTSC have higher power than the BBSC everywhere until about 6.5K-7K RPM. Regardless, net result is that my NSX is easily faster than a stock Lotus V8TT - empirically determined, btw (actually, it's faster than a 360 Modena, at least the yellow one that a co-worker owns). Heck, my Dinan S3 M3 is enough to handle a stock lotus (again, empirically determined). Not that I endorse street racing...
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ALLAN
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maybe you shouldnt generalize beyond your knowledge, as a 2000 series esprit is faster than a 360 modena also, as a neighbor of mine has one and weve had a few 2 gear roll'ons to about 110. beating a 360 modena is not something to be all that proud of, as they are not very fast. im not saying that you havent beaten a lotus, but id factor driver skills and model years into the equation. but anyways, like someone else said, we're not comparing apples to apples. one upgrade on the lotus, the race ecu,and the lotus will walk away from any, non internally modified supercharged or turbo'd nsx.
A turbo on an NSX will still create approximately 60-100rear wheel torque at 4000RMP than any SC ever will.
The advantages of an SC'd NSX is a predicatable, easier tuning unit but, my SC'd NSX's have never been as fast as my single turbo unit.
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The advantages of an SC'd NSX is a predicatable, easier tuning unit but, my SC'd NSX's have never been as fast as my single turbo unit.
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Where do you get that idea? Motor Trend has tested a Modena 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds and 12.2 1/4 mile. That is faster than ANY esprit. Man, you sure are stuck on that lotus being the be all and end all of sports cars. Is there anything it can't beat?
Anyway, I thought you were going to post some pics?
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ALLAN
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that motor trend test must of been a fluke, because no other test has even been close. My uncle has a 360 modena, and ive driven it often, it is an incredible sounding vehicle, but it really is not that fast. car and driver puts a 360 spider at 13.20 in the 1/4, and road and track puts a 360 modena at 12.80@ 112, right in line with earlier Esprits. I definately do not believe the lotus is the end all of cars, its suprisingly quick to me though, but i know lots of cars will beat it, ie.. viper, diablo, 996tt, etc. Also seeing how the Basch Nsx performed, id bet that would beat a Modena also, and i believe someone here wrote of beating one already.
