Looks like Bin Laden my be giving up!

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I wouldn't be surprised if there is a Congressional debate about the pros and cons of the offer.:eek:
 
Yes, Bin Laden is a total POS, but depending on what the terms were, I don't think it is a really bad idea to have a truce.
 
NetViper said:
Yes, Bin Laden is a total POS, but depending on what the terms were, I don't think it is a really bad idea to have a truce.
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You can't have a truce with someone you don't trust, it only gives them more time to prepare for their attack. You need to look at why he is asking for a truce, do you really think it is because he wants less bloodshed?

Reading his speach I can't believe anyone follows him, it is quite obvious he is completely insane.
 
Carguy! said:
You can't have a truce with someone you don't trust, it only gives them more time to prepare for their attack. You need to look at why he is asking for a truce, do you really think it is because he wants less bloodshed?

Reading his speach I can't believe anyone follows him, it is quite obvious he is completely insane.
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Very well said....you cannot have a "truce" with someone that believes that his mission in life is to kill you....
 
Truce? Are you guys serious? Id pretend we're game until he comes out of hiding and execute him on LIVE TV!:biggrin:
 
Carguy! said:
You can't have a truce with someone you don't trust, it only gives them more time to prepare for their attack. You need to look at why he is asking for a truce, do you really think it is because he wants less bloodshed?

Reading his speach I can't believe anyone follows him, it is quite obvious he is completely insane.
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I don't know the answers to that. If the offer were genuine, I would rather take terrorism off the table for a while. Like I said, he is a total POS, but do you really think it would be all that hard to get 200 crazies here in the US blow themselves up in the middle of 200 malls across the US at one time.

I am just glad we haven't had suicide bombers here. Honestly, I am surprised we havent.

Of course, I would still love to see Osama's head blown off...
 
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Vizal said:
If it'll end the killings and send our troops back home. Truce to a fair degree would be worth seeking, don't you think? :cool:
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It's very Naive to think that this is even possible...If he were standing in front of you right now he would more likely pull out a dagger and slit your guts open and watch your innards flow onto the floor, before he would consider shaking your hand.

These people have committed their lives to killing "The infidels"..guess what?..we are the infidels..you and me...they want you dead...that will never change...no matter what pie in the sky hopes naive "peace plan" is attempted..
 
Re: timing...

Osiris_x11 said:
Our government has made deals w/ worse, in the past.
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Hummm...maybe there is something in our history that I am missing but I don't recall the US ever making a "deal" that didn't include unconditional surrender with persons/nations that have declared war on the USA.
 
"Let's Make A Deal"

The currency used in a deal doesn't have to be a treaty or surrender. It can encompass money, arms, policy, revolution, coup d'état, assasination, uprising, hostages, and did I mention money? :wink:

I'm not saying that the US government should broker a deal w/ Bin_Laden/Al'Quaida. Quite the opposite would be my own insight.

What I am saying is that in the past, the US government has done deals w/ more unsavory, despotic, genocidal individuals/groups than Osama & Company.

Quick history lesson since you missed somethings (your own words! :biggrin: )...

* Instigating seccession of Panama-territory from Colombia in 1903.
* Recruitment and protection of high-ranking NAZI officers who specialized in Soviet intelligence, following WWII in 1945.
* Coup d'etat of democratically elected PM in Iran in 1953.
* Invasion of Cuba at the Bay of Pigs in 1961.
* Backing of new dictatorship in Indonesia w/ reconnasiance, communications, information leading to mass executions in 1965.
* Support and assistance of junta in Chile toppling elected government in 1973
* Assasination of King Faisal of Saudi Arabia after he withdrew from world oil markets in 1975.
* Covert backing of mujahideen in Afghanistan against Soviet deployment in 1979.
* Arming of Contras waging 'insurgency' against Nicaraguan government in 1981.
* Positioning former CIA operative Manuel Noriega in Panama in 1983.


It's not easy being a super-power! :cool:
 
Being a extremist myself:biggrin: let me tell you how I would see this going down:

We negotiate truce (which he requires us to leave the 2 countries as a part of this agreement, since occupying forces will not sit well with him). He does whatever it takes to turn the 2 countries back into what Afghanistan was (Taliban or similar religious extremist run). Then after he has done that (and we can not make a case internationally to overthrow them for just that, so we are locked out of changing it), he starts training there and attacking us again because we support Israel and they should be wiped from the face of the earth in his divine opinion.
Yeah, let's have Muslim version of the Unabomber decide our course of action. REAL GENIUS!:mad:
 
* Even if Osama says "stop", there will be many who still hate the US and will argue it's a conspiracy.

* Osama is more effective dead; especially if he was killed at the hands of the US. Better to make it look like an accident. :p

* Never negotiate with Terrorists. Hollywood taught me that... so it must be upheld. :D
 
You never give in to a bully according to their terms, which is exastly what this terrorist will demand. Furthermore, there will never be peace in the middle east. The fighting has been going on for thousands of years, and making a deal with one a$$hole will never settle anything. A few years ago Yassar Arafat signed a treaty with Isreal for a peace agreement and it never lasted.

These terrorists are masters at manipulating the media, and this latest video is just another attempt to make him look like the victim. The day that the USofA gives into the demands of a terrorist like Osama is the day that I will stop paying taxes.
 
According to the statement he offered the "truce" because he saw the American people were/are tired of the war. Sure he's a snake and a fanatic we trained to fight the Russians and it turned around to bite us hard. Suicide bombers in the states .....really scary.

Well unfortunately this can really only get worst. Our government is making more enemies than allies. Should the goverment in Pakistan be turned anti american ( really scary ) we would then have a nuclear power with deep terrorists links. China I'm sure doesn't mind when we have problems so they would probably look the other way at anti american activities in their country.

The list of European countries that don't trust us is growing and Americans seem to becoming more cavalier in our attitude. Another more personal attack I'm sure is on it's way possibly from some maimed Iraqi kid who survived an "accidental" bombing that killed everyone else in his family.

Anyone with some good ideas please run for office... seriously! I'm an independant so I'm just looking for someone with a wise solution.
 
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Osiris_x11 said:
* Instigating seccession of Panama-territory from Colombia in 1903.
* Recruitment and protection of high-ranking NAZI officers who specialized in Soviet intelligence, following WWII in 1945.
* Coup d'etat of democratically elected PM in Iran in 1953.
* Invasion of Cuba at the Bay of Pigs in 1961.
* Backing of new dictatorship in Indonesia w/ reconnasiance, communications, information leading to mass executions in 1965.
* Support and assistance of junta in Chile toppling elected government in 1973
* Assasination of King Faisal of Saudi Arabia after he withdrew from world oil markets in 1975.
* Covert backing of mujahideen in Afghanistan against Soviet deployment in 1979.
* Arming of Contras waging 'insurgency' against Nicaraguan government in 1981.
* Positioning former CIA operative Manuel Noriega in Panama in 1983.


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I don't think I ever mentioned Money as part of any "deal"...Osama has plenty of Money..

and these Deals that are listed are not "peace agreements" made with groups or governments that are/were at war with us.

yes The US has had much influence in many places..some good...some bad..some ugly...but as you put it...."It's not easy being a superpower"
 
what's next?

Questions that are pervading between my ears...

i.) Is he/Bin_Laden really still even alive or active?

ii.) Is the insurgency/quagmire in Iraq really just sunni's vs. shiite's for political control and influence?

iii.) Who seems to be a notable individual to make a run for the White House in '08?
 
We don't make deals with terrorist. He is going to fry.

The white house PR says that Bush is committed to ending this "at the time and place of our choosing." Man, he better do something before his term is up.
 
Osama is just the current poster boy...this Jihad has been going on for centuries...signing some piece of paper now is not going to have any effect whatsoever..
 
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Osiris_x11 said:
iii.) Who seems to be a notable individual to make a run for the White House in '08?
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Maybe Barack Obama. Then it could be Obama vs. Osama.
 

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