JGTC NSX making Mines34 look like a toy

[Ponyboy]

Not that it mattered but the driver of the R34 is terrible, he spent way too much time braking when he could have done it in one shift......not three

You would get absolutely hammered on less gentlemenly sites with that ridiculous statement.

The interweb brings them all out, I guess.

 

[demigod]

So the mines is the fastest production/tuned car in japan.

Do you know if it's faster than the white Veilside R34? In my Option video it was doing 346kmh.

 

[peter]

I'd love to get the rest of that video....does anyone know if it was best motoring and if it was, which volume?

 

[NSXrebel]

Do you know if it's faster than the white Veilside R34? In my Option video it was doing 346kmh.

Top speed and lap times are two seperate things. We're talking lap times here. Try racing an NHRA funny car on tsukuba..:tongue:

 

[Tai]

You would get absolutely hammered on less gentlemanly sites with that ridiculous statement.

The interweb brings them all out, I guess.

True.

 

[Tai]

Do you know if it's faster than the white Veilside R34? In my Option video it was doing 346kmh.

The Mine's R34 is one of Japan's fastest "street" tuned cars. Ie. it has a full interior, cats and no rollcage. That said it is still immensely tuned and weighs quite a bit less than a standard GTR, and can lap Tsukuba in under 58 seconds, faster than many actual race cars.

There are many race tuned GTR's that can run Tsukuba in the 55 second range, but are completely stripped out race cars.

The best "street" tuned NSX's I've seen have lapped Tsukuba in just under one minute.

There is however nothing is quite like that JGTC NSX.

 

[demigod]

Top speed and lap times are two seperate things. We're talking lap times here. Try racing an NHRA funny car on tsukuba..:tongue:

Even though they were testing for Topspeed that day..the car was a street/track car..not a funny car. The video is pretty old. It was near some farms in Japan and it was rainy that day too.

 

[Impetus]

the JGTC cars are not really cars anymore. Nothing in common with street cars as stated in prev. post.

That mine's 34 though... i don't believe it's a full street car. That's just what they want us to believe. Clever marketing scheme. Consider it a full prepped track car. And you never know with these vids, drivers make a big difference. Hard to believe the porsche didnt even put up a fight. May be it was a GT300 class car.

apples for apples, the 34 JGTC has a much better record but I think the nsx is slightly underpowered, and does well being NA against nismo turbo power. But once again no real connection to our cars.

Very entertaining though!

You guys have seen the ITB NSX on you tube right? Battling it out with some skylines.

 

[demigod]

apples for apples, the 34 JGTC has a much better record but I think the nsx is slightly underpowered, and does well being NA against nismo turbo power. But once again no real connection to our cars.

The JGTC NSX's use turbo's now.

 

[Tai]

The JGTC NSX's use turbo's now.

The Super GT NSX's are actually NA. They went turbo I believe in '04 and '05 with no wins, so they turned the engine longitudinally with an all carbon chassis and have been winning often since.

http://supergt.net/en/

In fact all of the Super GT cars will be NA, with the introduction of the new 350Z's NA V8. Honda's keeping up with Nissan and Toyota with two less cylinders and no turbos.

 

[demigod]

The Super GT NSX's are actually NA. They went turbo I believe in '04 and '05 with no wins, so they turned the engine longitudinally with an all carbon chassis and have been winning often since.

http://supergt.net/en/

In fact all of the Super GT cars will be NA, with the introduction of the new 350Z's NA V8. Honda's keeping up with Nissan and Toyota with two less cylinders and no turbos.

When they changed the name JGTC into Super GT they started using turbos on the NSX in 04. I haven't been keeping up with it lately. Thanks for the update.

 

[Ponyboy]

Honda's keeping up with Nissan and Toyota with two less cylinders and no turbos.

Very true. A lot of that has to do with some of the best aero on any production car based race car.

I read a while ago (I think it was in Racecar Engineering) that if the Super GT NSXs were to compete with the ALMS GT1 cars, the NSXs would come out ahead b/c of better aero even minus 200hp. That was all speculative, of course, but the point came across.

 

[JohnJW]

Not that anyone should waste much time on this subject, but perhaps you could share with us what skills are you referring to as "unnecessary?"

I guess if I had to explain it to you, that in itself would mean I am wasting time.

Sure that R34 was really fast! But he made some unnecesary downshifts. Sure I see alot of people unnecesarly run down through the gears as they heal toe, but he can brake later and harder and not downshift to such a low gear and then have to shift back up....I see alot of drivers making this mistake when I instruct for PCA. They think that they will make up time by accelerating harder out of a corner, but the shift takes more time than if he had left it in the next higher gear.

ya Takuma Sato is good too!

edit;watched it again
Coasting=wasted time
Mis shift=time
rev-limit=time

normally I dont care, and the video wasn't posted here for me to judge. I thought I would comment on his driving. Dont want a flame war, -thanks

 

[Cambo]

Sure that R34 was really fast! But he made some unnecesary downshifts. Sure I see alot of people unnecesarly run down through the gears as they heal toe, but he can brake later and harder and not downshift to such a low gear and then have to shift back up....I see alot of drivers making this mistake when I instruct for PCA. They think that they will make up time by accelerating harder out of a corner, but the shift takes more time than if he had left it in the next higher gear.

I watched the clip and felt that his gear selection in the corners was appropriate. If he'd been in a taller gear the car may have been off boost mid corner and unresponsive.

Sure he wasn't perfect in that clip, but I think driving that kind of monster would make most drivers quiver in their boots.

 

[bboarder711]

he was doing good till the nsx showed up