Interesting NSX thread on Corvette Forum

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Generally, corvette enthusiasts are more mature than you would think. I was part of that family for some time and don't recall ever bashing other cars. Yes, Power is King is a general consensus.... it is still a muscle car. Especially for C5s the age demographic is older which may be a reason for the general lack of ignorant posts, aside from the occasional loser. Actually, it's pretty impressive considering how large a number of corvette enthusiasts there are. With larger numbers comes more diveristy so I find it impressive that out of such a large number, the majority have class. I will always feel welcome back on the vette forum.
 
Unfortunately there is still a lot of misinformation about the car even among obvious sports car enthusiasts. At least half of the statements about the car in that thread are wrong.

[This message has been edited by Lud (edited 20 July 2001).]
 
I noticed that as well...like the drivetrain comments and such...but it's nice to see them not all out bashing the car. A little misinformation should be expected about the NSX. Not enough people know very much about it, if anything.

There's another post on their boards somewhere "Just drove an NSX" where a few posted that they didn't like the fact the the engine looked too hard to work on.
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I feel uniquely qualified to discuss this :-)

I currently own a '96 T and a 2000 C5 frc. The C5 has been heavily modified so it has a lot more horsepower than the nsx but when it was stock it didn't feel quite as fast as the nsx.

Although when I was doing that comparison the nsx had already been modded (headers, exhaust, airbox, iem and short gears) so I guess it wasn't an entirely fair comparison :-)

Having said all of that I can't help but believe that the nsx would still be faster on every sort of track except a drag strip.

When I drive the c5 I think "wow this is really fast". When I drive the nsx I think, "wow this is really good"

Don't get me wrong the C5 is a good car but it's just not quite as good as the nsx.

I'm beginning to believe that people who say things like, "The nsx has no soul" are using "soul" and "pain in the rear" interchangably.

The only regret I have is that I wish I'd been patient enough to order a coupe instead of buying the "t" off of the dealer's lot.

I guess the bottom line for me is this: You can get cars that are faster in a straight line but you can't get a car that has a better combination of reliability, handling, comfort, drivability and performance for any price.
 
I think also that Vette driver might mistake the FEEL of massive Torque for the car being faster or in the NSX's case...feeling slower. It's all relative in the end...but as for seat of the pants...I agree the Vette FEELs like you getting to the point quicker...although it's really not.

Am I way off base here?

I see it as that the NSX is a more capable car...when comparing stock to stock. But...that's an opinion, and opinions vary.

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There's another post on their boards somewhere "Just drove an NSX" where a few posted that they didn't like the fact the the engine looked too hard to work on.
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Shows their mindset; they think this is something important because they're accustomed to the engine needing constant work to keep running.
 
I think also that Vette driver might mistake the FEEL of massive Torque for the car being faster or in the NSX's case...feeling slower. It's all relative in the end...but as for seat of the pants...I agree the Vette FEELs like you getting to the point quicker...although it's really not.

Am I way off base here?

No, you're not.

Keep in mind that acceleration is based on torque at the wheels, which is engine torque times gearing. The reason the NSX accelerates so well is that its torque curve stays flat as the revs increase; as a result, the NSX can rev higher without losing power. This means that the advantage of the NSX is not in engine torque, but in gearing. THAT'S why the NSX is as fast as a Corvette; because you can wait until much faster speeds before having to upshift. This means it won't FEEL as fast, but it is.
 
Hmm after reading the comments the other posters have made I think I may have been misleading in my original post...

When the c5 was stock the nsx (which wasn't stock) felt, by the only measure I had which was seat-of-the pants, faster.

Now that the c5 has had a lot of work done to it (550 rwhp) it feels a lot faster - at least in a straight line. I haven't stopped to think about why it feels this way but it does. The nsx however is much easier to drive fast and this is one of the reasons that I think the nsx is better :-)
 
I said it before. For a group of guys who may know very little about the NSX, AND drive an American muscle car, I think that thread is very positive, just stating opinions intelligently. If any of you guys from the vette forum read this... that thread shows you are a class act, all the way.
I am impressed and ask we treat other vehicles the same way here.
 
NUK3M and bill:

I have deleted your messages. They serve no purpose other than to start a flame-war, which is not welcome here.

If you would like to have an intelligent discussion about the merits of various cars, you are welcome to do so. If not, please fine another message forum to frequent.

[This message has been edited by Lud (edited 21 July 2001).]
 
I think this Corvette thread represents intelligent people critiqing a car based on what they know of it, unfortunantly they simply do not know much in regards to our favorite car. A few NSX owners posted politly to try and dispell misinformation, And I think that their posts were politly recieved.
With a car as rare as an NSX there is bound to be false speculation from outside the owners circle, but I find that most enthusiasts stand by what they have read, The NSX is one of the finest sportscars ever built, bar none.
Corvette owners have demonstrated here to be a cut above, but my advice to you folks is to stay away from F-body forums. Nothing good seems to come from discussing a Japanese car with those folks.

Phil

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Lud,

A SINCERE THANK YOU for the deletion. I fully agree with your comments. I honestly try to have a live-and-let-live attitude. I have an admitted weakness towards people who criticize and sometimes forget to look in the mirror. In the future I will not launch a counter-attack, but intend to notify you of the offensive post. Thank you for your impartial discretion and the maintenance of the NSXPRIME site and it's integrity. It has been a invaluable in the purchase and maintenance of my NSX. Please feel free to delete any, or all, of this message if so required.

Comment from my soapbox: Let us not forget that computers, PCs, the internet, Netscape, Microsoft, Apple Comp. are just some of the wonderful products of the United States (Some of them were even originally created for government purposes). I will also admit that the U.S. is not perfect, but right now I can't think of a place that I personally would rather live.
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bill - I appreciate your comments. I know the urge is always strong to rise to defend something you believe in, but as you said if you just let me know via e-mail about any such inflamatory messages I'll simply delete them and we can all save the time and energy.

Re: soapbox comments - serious discussion or debate about things like national policy, innovation, whatever is more than welcome in the Off Topic section at any time. In fact knowing some of the members who participate here I bet we could have some really interesting and educated discussions on a number of topics.

My only request (for ANY discussion on this site) is that it stay focused on the issues and not degenerate into personal attacks, "your country/car/whatever sucks" messages or similar.
 
Originally posted by nicholas421:

i remember seeing something on tv about an annual modified riding lawn mower race. anyone know anything about this? links?
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Check out 'The Competition" (I think it is called) on cable TV. Every week they cover some odd form of competition that is taken very, very seriously by the locals. Everything from mud buggy races in FL to down hill snow shovel races in the Rockies and even punkin' chunkin'. Sometimes it is pretty cool and it is always intertaining.

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Originally posted by nicholas421:

i remember seeing something on tv about an annual modified riding lawn mower race. anyone know anything about this? links?
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Nah man that was the tool man show who had Bob Vila as a guest.
 
I traded my 98' silver vette in on the 98' NSX. I think the vette was the biggest piece of crap I've ever paid to put my butt into. Not only do they take it in the a** on depreciation but the thing was in the shop so much getting things fixed I hardly even got a chance to drive it. I've always only driven imports and I'm back to holding up on that policy so long as america keeps trying to sell the public this crap. Someone has to hold them to a higher standard.
 
Hmmmm, I think I'll have to agree here about American cars. Maybe its because America is so consumed with capitalism and getting the biggest profet margin possible that they skimp on the quality of things manufactured?

I guess that my problem with capitalism in general is it kind of promotes social/econimic Darwinism.... but this is becoming quite tangential to the topic heading so I'll just be quiet now.
 

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