Yes, but...
I have these on my car with Koni shocks.(comptech lowering springs) http://solar.innercite.com/comptech/110145.html
They were on the car when I bought it.
It looks cool but is a pain in the neck. My rear wheels can't be aligned properly(camber) because they are at the limit of adjustment and still can't meet spec. hence, decreased tire life.
As for performance, I can't say if the car is upgraded because I don't track the car. I am a poser, but if I wanted better performance on the track I would hone my driving skills and reach the limit of the stock setup before tinkering.
If the front of your car scrapes the deflector now when you enter/exit some driveways or on some road conditions it will happen even more after lowering.
Knowing what I know now I would not have it done if my car was stock. Looks really great but it can be a
valance scraping, tire eating mod especially here in the NE where the roads have more undulations then say Florida.
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what year is yours. Mine is a 92 with 53k on stock shocks and springs would you like to trade plus some a little cash? How long do your tires last in the rear? do you have any pics?
My recommendation is to change the shocks along with the springs. You will save labor and you will have to change the shocks out anyway sooner or later. The stock shocks, IMHO, is not suited for stiffer and shorter springs.
Will take about 1 1/2 hrs of labor each, 5-6 hrs total plus a wheel alignment.
I agree with Ry, you might as well change the shocks if they are getting up in age. The labor is inclusive.
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Originally posted by pbassjo: Will take about 1 1/2 hrs of labor each, 5-6 hrs total plus a wheel alignment.
I agree with Ry, you might as well change the shocks if they are getting up in age. The labor is inclusive.
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Acura of Brookfield charges around $75 per hour, so that figure ($496) is around six and a half hours at their hourly rate.
They do a lot of this kind of work (aftermarket suspension and alignment) so it's possible that they can do it in slightly fewer hours than some other places; regardless, 6.5 hours isn't far off your (pbassjo's) estimate.
Your best bet may be to get Bilstein shocks and use the lower spring perch to affect the change you want. That will lower the car ~3/4 inch which will still allow for reasonable alignment settings.
Shorter springs are typically also stiffer, in part because you don't want the coils to stack or shock to bottom out, and partly for handling improvements and to match stiffer shocks.
You can't just mix and match springs and shocks. They work together and must compliment each other. Stiffer springs on stock dampers will tend to "pogo" over bumps like an unloaded pickup with heavy duty suspension. So, the only springs I would use on stock dampers are those with a progressive rate that start softer than stock then get stiffer as they are compressed. I consider even those a poor match for anything but cruising.
Hence my recommendation for Bilsteins. They don't make a "sport" version for the NSX. The only one they offer is a high quality OEM equivalent replacement, slightly stiffer than stock but suitable for stock springs. Use those with the lower perch may increase risk of bottoming a shock under extreme conditions but the bump-stop should handle that.
Six and a half hours sounds like a heck of a lot of time for an experienced shop to install a set of Eibachs or Bilsteins and realign the car. Just my opinion, but I've done it.
WHOA!!! 500USD to install springs and shocks on a NSX??? I dunno bout the NSX, cause I haven't lowered mine yet. But my other car 98 Honda Prelude, I got charged something like 150bucks for installation plus alignment. They were Koni shocks + KG/mm springs. I wouldn't think there would be such a big difference in labor...
And... One thing I kept on hearing about since I started to modify cars was that you SHOULDN'T use lowering springs with stock shocks. It wears out the stock shocks. I would rather save up for a set of coilovers/or shock spring combo IMO, hey, it's a NSX afterall right
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Originally posted by Lud: Six and a half hours sounds like a heck of a lot of time for an experienced shop to install a set of Eibachs or Bilsteins and realign the car. Just my opinion, but I've done it.
When a shop that truly knows what they are doing gives an estimate that sounds like a lot, there is usually a very good reason for it. And you can usually find out why their estimate is what it is by discussing it with them.
Originally posted by Lud: Six and a half hours sounds like a heck of a lot of time for an experienced shop to install a set of Eibachs or Bilsteins and realign the car. Just my opinion, but I've done it.
I was using the Mitchell Guide labor time, the one on this site, as a reference.
The time studies indicated are not absolutes.Various conditions could impact the actual time taken. It is a "guide".
It has 2.4 for both rears and 2.4 for both fronts. Four wheel alignment, 1.6 that's 6.4 all together.
You can do it faster.
Still, it's a good, useful reference.
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I personally did the H&R Coils with the stock shocks for 2 1/2 years. I hated it. I did it because at NSXpo 98 the Comptech wide body car had lowering springs and the stock shocks and I believed it was a good setup.
Boy was I wrong. Steve was absolutely right - you will pogo over everything and it will not feel right to you or anyone else.
I eventually sold the H&R springs and got Eibach springs and Bilstein Monotube shocks
Fantastic at the track and around town. I kept the higher perch setting which is still a little lower then stock with the springs but not so low I sweat at the sight of a dead chipmonk in the road.
Please don't just do the lowering springs - you might as well just cut the stock ones down if you do.
The reason the book labor is so high for NSX shocks/springs is because the service manual has you disassembling part of the suspension. But that is totally unnecessary, and I don't know anyone with experience who does it that way unless they have some other reason to pull apart their suspension.
The real-world time for someone who knows what they are doing and has access to a lift, air tools and a bench spring compressor is maybe 3 hours at the outside for the actual suspension (we did mine in just over 2) plus 1 to 1.5 for the alignment.
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That still doesn't explain why Acura of Brookfield would take that long, but again, I'm sure John Vasos would be happy to answer that question if asked.
The real-world time for someone who knows what they are doing and has access to a lift, air tools and a bench spring compressor is maybe 3 hours at the outside for the actual suspension (we did mine in just over 2) plus 1 to 1.5 for the alignment.
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Just over two hours is really cooking. That's 30 minutes to get the shock/spring out and to install the new shock/spring per wheel.For one person that's very good.Handling the car, lift, parts, tools, incl. spring compressor etc., done! Ready to align! On a NSX that's not shabby at all. Kudos.
Lets' see.
Acura of Brookfield labor rate of $75.00 per hour and using Lud's time plus 1.6 for alignment.Rounding off the time to 4 hours comes to about $300.00.
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