HSC=Next NSX?

Re: Re: V6

nsx1 said:


I am reading allot of posts complaining that the HSC only has a V6... that's a 300ps V6... about 402HP.

How do you get 402HP?

One horsepower is equal to 1.0139 PS. So 300ps is 304.17 HP. Which is NOT near enough.
 
NetViper said:

"....With a development of the NSX’s 3.2 liter V6 engine ‘designed for high efficiency and an output in excess of 300 horsepower’, a paddle shift transmission and a lightweight composite and aluminum construction, the car would better the current NSX’s performance to bring it in line with the Ferrari 360 Modena and Porsche 911 Carrera."

since when was the current nsx not "in line" with the 911?
 
nicholas421 said:
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since when was the current nsx not "in line" with the 911? [/B]

Well, the current car is behind the base 911 as it now has 320HP...

But certainly a 300HP V6 will not bring the next NSX inline with a 395HP V8 360 ... and remember that the replacement for the 360 cannot be too far away.
 
Just to recap...

The HP in all articles has been 300 ish... (way too low IMO)

And the sizes have been: 3.0, 3.2 and 3.5 ... so I guess nobody really knows..
 
For those who don't like the swoopym Enzo-like side window...

Take a second look at the rear window and how it curves to match the side windows.

There's no real good rear 3/4 view or side view that really shows this aspect of the design. You can see the inspiration in the design sketch.

It looks nothing like the Enzo when you take this part of the design into account. It's very nice, IMHO.

-Jim
 
NetViper said:
Just to recap...

The HP in all articles has been 300 ish... (way too low IMO)

And the sizes have been: 3.0, 3.2 and 3.5 ... so I guess nobody really knows..
wanna start a pool??
 
NetViper said:

Surprised no one's pointed it out specifically...

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"Apart from a handbrake built into the centre console and an –iDrive style system, the cabin is conventional, hinting that this concept car is closer to production than you might imagine"


E-brake in the center console... I wonder how the throw is... straight out? Hinged on the bottom? Hinged at the top? or maybe its laterally? who knows... Kind of reminds me of the Civic Si's new console shifter (ala Carrera GT)
 
Who cares about the engine displacement. I want to see pics of the brakes! Specifically 13" rotors and massive (insert fav caliper manufacturer here) calipers. So far, I can see cross drilled rotors and some kind of writing on the front calipers.

Actually, I do care about engine displacement but am wanting some brake info as well.
 
So far, I can see cross drilled rotors and some kind of writing on the front calipers.

Negate that. I was looking at a Photoshop'd pic. Now I'm seeing slotted rotors with hats.
 
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bb6 said:
it recreated honda, set a benchmark and defined a new automotive paradigm (not to mention that you could hear the collective automotive world utter a resounding "HOLY SHIT!! Where'd that thing come from???") And that's why we're all here, isn't it? Becuase the car was an instant, soughtafter, classic -- despit dwindling interest and sales.

I agree the NSX shocked the world. BUT notice that Honda didn't shock the world by outdoing the competition's hp/tq #'s, displacement, or cylinders. They outdid the competition's PERFORMANCE. I think that's all Honda's really interested in, and to be honest, I don't think it'd be a true Honda if it didn't outdo the competition with less.

It brings me a strange satisfaction actually. Allow me to digress, when I was learning how to snowboard, I'd get on the lift on a really cold and windy day, reluctant because of the weather, and more experienced skiiers/boarders riding up with me actually liked it more when it was cold, I asked em why, and they said "It keeps the lightweights off the slopes." Although I kept to myself that day, as I got better and better I kind of feel the same way now in a cocky sort of arrogant way... Now I'm saying "It keeps the rookies off the slopes" to others...

My point is that I'm glad the NSX can achieve the performance of its competitors with less hp. It keeps those who aren't true NSX enthusiasts from being owners. Supras on the other hand, they buy them just to brag. (okay not all).

I want them to define a new paradigm.

I agree, and with that said we'll simply have to wait for the performance numbers, as they will speak for themselves and they alone can do that. If indeed the next NSX does not perform up to our expectations then I concede that your compaints did not go unwarranted. Until then.


(PS: concerning the styling... beauty is in the eye of the beholder... :shrug: There are many loyal fans to the styling of the F355 over the 360 Modena.

Many NSX-haters criticized the NSX for not being a true exotic. Honda's gotten rid of the overhangs, dropped the center of gravity, dropped the overall height, dropped the ground clearance, and added swing up doors, before the Gallardo, only found on $250,000 cars and up. Is there any question now from the styling that the NSX is an exotic? I'd say Honda has done their job well on the styling. If people can get used to Bangled-up BMW's this will be a piece of cake.)
 
I, for one, will be disappointed if this isn't the next NSX. I haven't seen a more inspiring concept car yet. Sure I'd love to see a
F1 or IRL style V8 or V10 but I don't think I'd ever be able to afford (or drive) such a beast. This design seems plausable and attainable as well as very exotic. I also like the philosophy of doing more with less previously displayed by Honda, thats been part the appeal of these well-engineered vehicles ever since I
bought my first one.
 
Ponyboy said:
Who cares about the engine displacement. I want to see pics of the brakes! Specifically 13" rotors and massive (insert fav caliper manufacturer here) calipers. So far, I can see cross drilled rotors and some kind of writing on the front calipers.

Actually, I do care about engine displacement but am wanting some brake info as well.

I am told by a very reliable source that the new TL 6-speed will come with Brembos from the factory, indeed the same Brembos (Gran Turismo?) that are put on the NA 1 NSX, from the part #.

If that is the case, it seems very likely that the new NSX will have brakes at least that good. :D
 
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Rubber Chicken said:

(PS: concerning the styling... beauty is in the eye of the beholder... :shrug: There are many loyal fans to the styling of the F355 over the 360 Modena.

Yup, I'm in that camp. I think the 355 looks better than the 360. However, I still think the NSX looks better than either Ferrari and still looks better than the HSC as well.

-Chris
 
I share the same sentiments with Rubber Chicken. It does not matter how much HP or Displacement a car has as long as the car can hang with the higher ups. If it outperforms the more expensive cars then more kudos to us!

I am positive Honda will provide a great car as a lot of attention will be placed on it from current owners to future customers.
 
I think it would be embarassing for the new car to come out with only 10 more HP than the NSX. That is OLD technology. I was not impressed when the NEW SL500 came out using the same engine that has been around forever. However, with a SC slapped on it, it rocked!
 
After looking at the close-up of the interior, the dash and console are a bit too futuristic for my taste. But, if the performance is worthy, I could live with it. They also need to dump those stupid looking wheels. The only thing that could be worse (looks wise) if if they were spinners.
 
Argh...

NetViper said:
only 10 more HP than the NSX
NetViper, I've not found source that says the HSC is 300HP. All sources indicate at least 300HP. Heck, even if the 3.2-3.5L can only manage 305HP (unlikely), it's pointless to obsess over such a figure when it's only a concept and we don't even know the weight.
 
Re: Argh...

Ojas said:
NetViper, I've not found source that says the HSC is 300HP (10 more than the current model). All sources indicate at least 300HP. Heck, even if the 3.5L can only manage 305HP (unlikely), it's pointless to obsess over such a figure when it's only a concept and we don't even know the weight.

I guess it is pointless at this point, but I know I am not alone here. When I saw this car, my jaw dropped and my heart beat went WAY up! Then I saw 300 HP and everything just went downhill. I was upset that they would invest all this time in creating such a beautiful car and then wimp out in the engine compartment. I mean seriously... 300HP.. give me a break.. If a 35K mustang cobra can have 390HP stock, then dammit we should have over 400HP in a 90K exotic car.
 
Re: Argh...

Ojas said:
Heck, even if the 3.2-3.5L can only manage 305HP.

Given that the original article quoted 300ps, which is about 305hp, that would sort of lead one to think it might just be the 3.5L they're dropping in there and everything else they're doing is weight reduction (CF panels and such).

It's gone from "We're not going to make a new nsx" to "We're going to release a new NSX in a year or so" in a pretty short time; there may not be many non-stylistic innovations if this is a rush job.
 
Aiken Drum said:
It's gone from "We're not going to make a new nsx" to "We're going to release a new NSX in a year or so" in a pretty short time; there may not be many non-stylistic innovations if this is a rush job.

Concept cars can take several months to complete from start to finish. Those that are given more time are likely going to be finished products, ones with a drivetrain, fully decked out interior, a real car and not a shell.

I think Honda put in a little more thought to this, as evidence of the dimensions, weight savings beyond a stock NSX, provide the same creature comforts, a different style, and we're hoping more performance. Thats an awful lot to accomplish. Look at the effort to develop and refine the NSX in the first place!

Evolution, thats what this will be, not a ground up design in so short a time.

Sunny
 
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