How Much Is Too Much???

[blavenia]

Okay everyone...

After all the info about a V10 SuperCar from Honda, how much it costs will be a factory to many of the potential buyers.

For instance, if the new NSX (or whatever they call it) is directly competitive with Ferrari F430 (or even newer designs), Gallardo, etc...

Will you pay as much as a Ferrari or Lambo to get one?

I'm wondering how much Honda could charge for this car and still sell them? There's always the select few that will pay thousands over sticker for cars like the Elise when it first arrives, but after that dwindles down, what will the average 30-40something American pay to drive this car that still wears a Honda badge?

Not that I'm saying that's a negative, but people have their illusions about Ferrari and Lambo that don't acrrue to Honda/Acura.

Is there a price point that if Honda surpasses it, you wouldn't buy? Disregard any ADM/Dealer markups for now, and let's just go by MSRP.

For me, at this point in my life and driving on normal roads in America, if the car breaks $100K I'm probably out of it. What about you guys and gals?

Thanks for any input!

B

 

[Osiris_x11]

Depends what comes w/ the package...

First-off, alot has changed since '90 when the NSX first hit the shores of America en'route to Acura showrooms. Since then, name notoreity has been slightly curtailed thanks to the all-world excellence the NSX displayed. Honda/Acura certainly can toss a sportscar in pretty much any market segment now and be well received, thanks to the NSX, Integra, and S2000.

Another thing to keep in mind is that one of the major changes w/ the NSX over the years: coupe -> NSX-T from '95 onwards (coupe became special order) was not planned for originally and the R&D/re-engineering plumped up the MSRP significantly ($81k+). And of-course the bloodied Yen back-in-the-day compared to a robust Dollar didn't help, so to speak.

I believe that when Honda President/CEO Fukui said, "Ferrari killer"... he wasn't just referring to the 360 Modena and F430, and namely other exotics; but he was meaning for the 'HSC' to be on par w/ exotic supercars in terms of engineering, technology, craftsmanship, and performance. A Honda V10 in an ultra-lightweight mid-engine/rwd, carbon/composite chassis and frame that should easily outclass the current Gallardo, F430, DB9, AMG's, 996 911_GT3 & Turbo, C6 Z06, Ford GT, Viper, and others.

To be able to target and be somewhat competitive w/ the Murcielago, Carrera_GT, SLR, Zonda, Koenigsegg, and other exotic supercars... yet costing 1/4 - 1/3 the price (exotic supercars), that would be an achievement AND a goal.

If the next Honda/Acura supercar can do that, a price-tag of $125k'ish will be justifiable.

Exotics {$165k+}: Gallardo, F430, DB9, AMG's, 911 GT3 & Turbo, Ford GT, etc... *HSC ~$90k

Exotic Supercars {$350k+}: Murcielago, Carrera_GT, SLR, Zonda, Koenigsegg, Enzo, etc... *HSC ~$125k


If the goal is to simply outduel the Gallardo, F430, AMG's, DB9, 997 GT3 & Turbo, Ford GT, C6 Z06, and Viper... a price-tag near the outgoing model's ballpark ($89k) would be necessary. I'd be willing to pay $90k'ish for such an offering, provided that it EASILY out-performed the aforementioned lot of exotics!

Have to put things into perspective w/ a company like Honda... a 2005 model from a platform and production line from '90, w/ a MSRP of $89k, was 95% as competitive as other cars costing $165k+ (Gallardo, F430, etc). In over 15years, production and manufacturing technology has come a long ways. I am quite sure Honda could offer the '05 NSX for 1/2 the $89k if it was able to impliment from ground-up, today's techniques and advances in automotive assembly/construction/etc.

So this is something the new model will have to look fwd to! I think the price will be right around the outgoing model's MSRP, $90k...

FYI:

'91 NSX MSRP: $60k
'91 Legend MSRP: $27k-$35k
'91 Integra MSRP: $12k-16.5k
'91 LS400 MSRP: $36k
'92 SC400 MSRP: $39k

'05 NSX-T MSRP: $89k
'05 RL MSRP: $49k
'05 RSX: $20k-24k
'05 LS430 MSRP: $56k-76k
'05 SC430 MSRP: $65.5k-$75.5k

*A Lexus LWB Hybrid LS460 sedan is planned to break the $100k barrier

Just keep this in mind... the very car we've been admiring for past 15 or so years... well the background of the company producing it was mostly lawnmowers, motorbikes, and econo-boxes... :tongue: Yet they offered a car in '90 that still offers 90%+ of the performance of cars double it's price that are designed/engineered/manufactured now!

Nota Bena: The post above is just my personal insights, not a declaration or affirmative stance. So no need to argue or say I'm off the deep-end. . . :wink:

 

[Edgemts]

Personally, I hope its between 125-150K, and a great value at that.
and as stated above, running with the CGT and others.
If its much less, not exclusive enough.
Much more, over priced, IMO, probably buy a used F430 instead.

 

[Dan Ciezniewzki]

Id pay 125-150k with little thaught, over that it better be better than the Gallardo SE or F430 by aloooooooot.

Now would others buy it, not likely People that love the NSX would, but the posers who ONLY buy a Ferrari so they can say they drive a Ferrari would never spend that kinda money for a Honda no matter how much better it is. except for MAYBE the first year just cause its the latest and greatest. After that true car guys would, just not the posers.

 

[gheba_nsx]

Re: Depends what comes w/ the package...

Exotics {$165k+}: Gallardo, F430, DB9, AMG's, 911 GT3 & Turbo, Ford GT, etc... *HSC ~$90k

Exotic Supercars {$350k+}: Murcielago, Carrera_GT, SLR, Zonda, Koenigsegg, Enzo, etc... *HSC ~$125k

I agree with this fundamental division, but I would correct the prices 70k-75k for the first group. 9ok is a bit too much and you enter easily the used price territory of those "prestigle/soul/whatever" mentioned cars.

For the second group I would agree but I would imagine a VERY LOW production number, a bit like the FordGT. Let's say a maximum of 1000 units worldwide over 3 years. I do not think there is a mass market for a Honda at 125k if it is not a very limited production... they should never hit the used car lot among other normal cars.

 

[gheba_nsx]

Re: Depends what comes w/ the package...

I'd be willing to pay $90k'ish for such an offering, provided that it EASILY out-performed the aforementioned lot of exotics!

Id pay 125-150k with little thaught, over that it better be better than the Gallardo SE or F430 by aloooooooot

...

I think that is a bit a dreamer view of the issue... be A LOOOOOOOOOT better than those monstrous supercars is not something that easy to do. This is not 1989/1990 anymore and the big guys got a lot better. Faster. More reliable.

On a performance point of view I do not see how could the NSX outperform by "a lot" the 997TT, the FordGT ot the F430. These cars are scary fast as they are, being a lot faster would mean having 550-600hp and a low weight. Very low. And again you would be "faster", probably not by A LOT...

At the end everything comes down to look/status/exoticness/... parameters when buying a supercar. "status" cannot be easily built at Honda. On the rest they will have to work!

 

[BD]

Re: Depends what comes w/ the package...

...

I think that is a bit a dreamer view of the issue... be A LOOOOOOOOOT better than those monstrous supercars is not something that easy to do. This is not 1989/1990 anymore and the big guys got a lot better. Faster. More reliable.

On a performance point of view I do not see how could the NSX outperform by "a lot" the 997TT, the FordGT ot the F430. These cars are scary fast as they are, being a lot faster would mean having 550-600hp and a low weight. Very low. And again you would be "faster", probably not by A LOT...

At the end everything comes down to look/status/exoticness/... parameters when buying a supercar. "status" cannot be easily built at Honda. On the rest they will have to work!

GT, 360, 911TT, dude, took those cars 12 years to beat the NSX, and it will be simple for Honda to kick them out of water again.

For example:

To beat the 911 TT, you just need to built a car that can perform like it without TT. And give it a 40$$ oil change.

To beat the 360/430, Same performance with better reliablility, and $40 oil change.

To beat Ford GT, same performance without all the recalls, and add a trunk, and $40 oil change...

Jokes aside, you think Honda can't built an European exotic beater just because the bar is now higher, which was previously set by Honda? urrrr They dont' need to make a car that can be a lot better then the European exotics, all they have to do is to prove a point that they can do it. By the time the new NSX is ready, baby Ferraris will probably cost you $300k!!! And the new Honda will be a bargain!!!

Let me see, Honda is in F1, they have won championships many times, the have more R&D Money than Porsche, Ford, Ferrari, or all of them combine. And above all, Honda don't like to loose, specially to Ferrari and Porsche. It's a new era, Honda was responsible for raising the bar 15 years ago, and now is the time to do it again... and guess what, they have 3 years to figure it out....eh Porsche, Ferrari, and who ever else is in the game, better watch out.

 

[GeNSX]

Re: Depends what comes w/ the package...

Just to fan the flames

So this is something the new model will have to look fwd to! I think the price will be right around the outgoing model's MSRP, $90k...

What the next NSX a "fwd"? Please tell me it ain't so!

In reality, glad to see that you're still posting well thought out responses Osiris!

GeNSX

 

[Osiris_x11]

exotic vs. exotic supercar...

I agree with this fundamental division, but I would correct the prices 70k-75k for the first group. 9ok is a bit too much and you enter easily the used price territory of those "prestigle/soul/whatever" mentioned cars.

That's a REAL attractive price segment to target gheba_nsx/Guiseppe, however it's hardly a novel niche` nowadays in Honda's eyes, I'd assume... (It's the gray-area... premium price for status, yet anemic performance compared to others above this market-segment. Doubtful Honda would be satiated w/ accepting their place beneath others)

Sportscars/coupes ~$70-$75k:
- Lexus SC430
- Audi S4_Cabrio
- BMW E90 M4 (2007 M3)
- BMW 6-series
- Mercedes Benz SLK55_AMG
- Mercedes Benz CLK500/CLK55_AMG
- Porsche Cayman_S
- Porsche 911 Carrera (base)
- Jaguar XK8/XKR
- Cadillac XLR
- Chevrolet Corvette C6/C6_Z06

However, I really think for how far Honda has come in 15 or so years since the debut of the NSX w/ their R&D, testing, F1, manufacturing/assembly breakthroughs, technological advancements, etc... outdoing the $165k+ marquee` exotics while being sub-$100k is very much feasible.

urrrr...

Ok, damnit. Ok!?! I'm down w/ it... I want the new Honda exotic supercar to be $90k'ish, not $125k'ish!?! :biggrin:

B-e-w-a-r-e SLR, Carrera_GT, Koenigsegg, Murcielago, Zonda, and others... muawahahahaaa. . .

What the next NSX a "fwd"? Please tell me it ain't so!

In reality, glad to see that you're still posting well thought out responses Osiris!

GeNSX

"I look forward (fwd) to"... abbrev', sighhh :tongue:

GeNSX/Max, CTx NSX-crew misses you guys! Grrr... comeback!

 

[comquat1]

I'm not even in the position for a new nsx currently. I guess you could say I live lean (not by choice though). I'm trying to justify the new GT-R's price when that comes out and all I can keep thinking is by that time the 06 Z06 will have depreciated to around $40,000 and then my mind starts thinking bang for the buck. I could buy a used Z06 and a new Evo for what I'd drop on 1 GT-R. I like getting more for my money in both experience and volume. There's so many incredible cars out there and I've come to the conclusion that in order to experience as many as possible without maximum financial loss I have to go to the used market. Unless I win the lottery.... which won't happen b/c I never play.:frown:

 

[rickysals]

I hope you guys realize you're dreaming if you expect Garrera GT performance for Porsche Turbo prices.

 

[Osiris_x11]

don't think so...

I hope you guys realize you're dreaming if you expect Garrera GT performance for Porsche Turbo prices.

Excusee moi'?!? :wink: Au'contrair!


2005 Porsche 911 Turbo_S
MSRP: $140,000
457hp
415ft/lb
0-60: 3.7s
1/4: 11.8s
0-124: 13.6s
Top Speed: 190mph

2003 Carrera_GT
MSRP: $440,000
605hp
435ft/lb
0-60: 3.5s
1/4: 11.4s
0-100: 6.8s
0-124: 9.9s
Top Speed: 205mph

2005 Acura NSX-T
MSRP: $89,000
290hp
224ft/lb
0-60: 4.8s
1/4: 12.9s
0-100: 11.7s
0-124: 17.5s
Top Speed: 178mph

911 Turbo: ~1/3 the price, ~85% the performance of Carrera_GT / SLR / Enzo / Koenigsegg / Zonda

A 15+ year-old design, namely the NSX, costing $89k does 90% of what a cutting-edge design $175k F430 can do. (approx. 51% the cost of the F-car)

Throw some numbers around, you'll be surprised!

The only car that defies logic is the C6 Z06, it's MSRP & performance absolutely make no sense... but it's an anomaly!

 

[redshift]

I'm with Osiris_x11 all the way on this one. BTW, it's my hope that it's released in the $115K - $135K range.

 

[BD]

lol, you guys are too much. Nah, the new one will be a monster, a sensitive monster...:biggrin: Why not, the original one was a thinking man's super car, the next one will be too. I want a F430, but screw it if the new NSX is going to wip it's ass...

Life goes on, if it's more than we can afford...lol, but hey, I'll wait for five years to buy a used one at a affordable price.. like I did with my old 95...

Vance

 

[gheba_nsx]

Re: don't think so...

2005 Acura NSX-T
MSRP: $89,000
290hp
224ft/lb
0-60: 4.8s
1/4: 12.9s
0-100: 11.7s
0-124: 17.5s
Top Speed: 178mph

A 15+ year-old design, namely the NSX, costing $89k does 90% of what a cutting-edge design $175k F430 can do. (approx. 51% the cost of the F-car)

Throw some numbers around, you'll be surprised!

Hmm... honestly the NSX 6-speed is maybe 90% of the 360. I do not see the 90% of the F430 in it. Throw the numbers please :tongue: .

But anyway, what does 90% mean? Isn't the S2000 90%... or worse a WRX 95% of the NSX? When you go "High end" 10% less is still an enormous value.

Just toughts...

 

[gheba_nsx]

Re: Depends what comes w/ the package...

GT, 360, 911TT, dude, took those cars 12 years to beat the NSX, and it will be simple for Honda to kick them out of water again.

Wow Dude, you bring some incredible demonstartion to your beliefs. They did it before, they can do it again... of course.

 

[Osiris_x11]

no one can ketchup w/ Honda... :-D

Hmm... honestly the NSX 6-speed is maybe 90% of the 360. I do not see the 90% of the F430 in it. Throw the numbers please :tongue: .

But anyway, what does 90% mean? Isn't the S2000 90%... or worse a WRX 95% of the NSX? When you go "High end" 10% less is still an enormous value.

Just toughts...

I just deleted my own post as I was previewing it...

So this will just be a quick comment, as I am too flustered to compose it again.

In Europe, is the NA2 3.2L NSX rated at 280bhp (vs. 290bhp for USA)...

In regards to the NSX-Ferrari comparisons, I should've stated it this way...

I've always generalized that the NA1 5spd. NSX w/ I/H/E and typical 100lbs. weight reduction (very simple) is on par w/ the 360 F1_Modena.

And the NA2 6spd. NSX w/ I/H/E and typical 100lbs. weight reduction (very simple, again) is on par w/ the F430.

I have felt that the NSX should have arrived from the factory w/ those components mentioned above (aftermarket-performance I/H/E) as the OEM parts were incredibly mediocre. It's not a kosher comparison, I know. It's just the way I subjectively feel, no NSX is complete till the I/H/E have been addressed.

I should point out, I haven't been fortunate enough to drive a F430 nor even get a joy-ride in one as of yet. So it is indeed presumptuous of myself to corelate it's performance potential w/ any car. However, I am quite familiar w/ the 355_F1 and 360_F1.

Sometime when I have even more idle time than I do now ( :tongue: ), I'll write-up a very general schematic of how I compare the overall performance of two very closely related cars and the parameters/ scales/ criteria/ etc' used to derive a simple ratio:

100% = Standard (Apex-Car for that class)

&

Standard - X = Over-achiever (contender or pretender... :wink: ) w/ X being the ∑ of the deficiencies from chosen parameters/comparisons/results.

 

[gheba_nsx]

Re: no one can ketchup w/ Honda... :-D

And the NA2 6spd. NSX w/ I/H/E and typical 100lbs. weight reduction (very simple, again) is on par w/ the F430.

I would really like to hear others opinion about this!!!

I had a ride in a F430: that thing is FAAAAST! Really FAST, not NSX fast... not NSX I/H/E fast. It is at least (but I would bet more) as fast as a NSX with CTSC and some more goodies.

Come on, we all love NSXs here but let's not start fanboying too much or we will be the living jokes around the interent car boards! :frown:



PS: describe the "typical" 100 lbs (!!!) weight reduction... I do not know so many that achieved "typical" 70 lbs without starting to take out AC, carpets, ... or swapping a lot of parts in CF.

 

[|Adeel]

I really don't hope that Honda will be marketing the new car as superbe value for the money (pay 10 dollah get performance worth 15 dollah!!) - That could hurt the image...

 

[Osiris_x11]

grandiose expectations...

I would really like to hear others opinion about this!!!

I had a ride in a F430: that thing is FAAAAST! Really FAST, not NSX fast... not NSX I/H/E fast. It is at least (but I would bet more) as fast as a NSX with CTSC and some more goodies.

Come on, we all love NSXs here but let's not start fanboying too much or we will be the living jokes around the interent car boards! :frown:

PS: describe the "typical" 100 lbs (!!!) weight reduction... I do not know so many that achieved "typical" 70 lbs without starting to take out AC, carpets, ... or swapping a lot of parts in CF.

I think I need more of my meds, or perhaps even less... :biggrin: (RE: F430)

Kidding aside, I based my assertions of the F430 from my experience w/ the 355_F1 & 360_F1, both of which are extremely fine exotic cars, but far from being uncomparable awe-inspiring performers (and I mean overall performance, not just accel.). I feel more taut and confident in my NSX when nearing the limit, actually. Though, I recall the 512TR was actually fun, like a walk on the wild-side! :tongue:

Well, 100lbs. reduction is VERY easy! 150lbs. requires upgrading some OEM stuff (suspension, cats', etc...), and 200lbs.+ requires

I.
Spare-tire/wheel = -29.5 lbs.
Bracket = -3 lbs.
Tools/air-comp/jack = -15 lbs.
Engine-cover = -15 lbs. (coupe) 25 lbs. (T')
Exhaust = -20 lbs. (avg. diff. w/ aftermarket)
Battery = -15 lbs. (avg. diff. w/ aftermarket)
Trunk-mat = -5.5 lbs.
_____________________
~ -100 lbs.

II.
Headers = -7.5 lbs. (avg. diff. w/ aftermarket)
Suspension = -25lbs. (avg. diff. w/ aftermarket)
Cats' = -17.5 lbs. (avg. diff. w/ testpipe replacement)
______________________
~ -50 lbs.

III.
Hatch = -17 lbs. (replace w/ Lexan)
Clutch/flywheel = -15lbs. (avg. diff. w/ aftermarket)
Wheels = -20 lbs. (avg. diff. w/ aftermarket, lightweight wheels: -5lbs/wheel)
_______________________
~ -50 lbs.

IV.
Diet/exercise/JennyCraig/Weight_Watchers/etc... :redface:

V.
Slim/petit XX passenger = priceless :smile:

Result: -200 lbs.

Of-course, there is further potential savings: brakes (going w/ BBK or lightweight rotors), racing-sport seats, airbags/steering-wheel, CF: spoiler, hood, side-intakes, etc...

But notice the NSX is still domesticated & genteel: *A/C, *stereo, *power-windows/locks, *carpets, etc... and you haven't mortaged your retirement portfolio to Procar NSX for ultra-lightweight (and very high-quality) CF-parts... :wink:

 

[gheba_nsx]

Re: grandiose expectations...



Ok, I see...

By typical I was referring to the usual spare tire, toolbox and maybe exhaust kind of reduction. Actually I know maybe 2 owners taht arrived to the 100+lbs reduction out of 20-30 owners. Not that typical for me but I cannot comment about the US (NSXPrime is not the real representation of the typical owner, we are a bit more fanatic I think ). Engine cover is not easily removable (rattling and additional engine noise for the average user) and I know very few people that changed the battery for a lighter one.

Ok, but you got your point (except for the Lexan hatch... come one , Doug Flamembile apart, who did that??? )

Anyway, going back to the real issue: the NSX+I+H+E / F430 equality, you really cannot assume having tested the 360 (or even worse the 355) that the F430 is just a bit more. It is really a complete different animal.

Between 355 and 360 there is the same gap as between 360 and 430. It accelerates like if it is in fast forward motion... . When I entered the NSX after the ride, I felt like in a Civic... no flames please.

 

[Osiris_x11]

long-live 348tb! (hehe)

Ok, I see...

By typical I was referring to the usual spare tire, toolbox and maybe exhaust kind of reduction. Actually I know maybe 2 owners taht arrived to the 100+lbs reduction out of 20-30 owners. Not that typical for me but I cannot comment about the US (NSXPrime is not the real representation of the typical owner, we are a bit more fanatic I think ). Engine cover is not easily removable (rattling and additional engine noise for the average user) and I know very few people that changed the battery for a lighter one.

Ok, but you got your point (except for the Lexan hatch... come one , Doug Flamembile apart, who did that??? )

Anyway, going back to the real issue: the NSX+I+H+E / F430 equality, you really cannot assume having tested the 360 (or even worse the 355) that the F430 is just a bit more. It is really a complete different animal.

Between 355 and 360 there is the same gap as between 360 and 430. It accelerates like if it is in fast forward motion... . When I entered the NSX after the ride, I felt like in a Civic... no flames please.

Weight reduction on the NSX can be done very subtly often w/o intent when done over time. Aside from the obvious (ie. spare-tire/bracket, tool-kit/air-comp/jack, engine-cover, mats/etc...):

* simple maint'/service and upgrading parts reduced weight
* time for a clutch change, people opt for lightweight-flywheel
* installing aftermarket exhaust and headers for sound/performance
* getting more appealing wheels (provided they are lightweight, sport wheels near OEM size)
* replacing battery w/ less heavy version
* discarding worn brake-discs instead of machining them & opting for lightweight 2-piece rotors
*having springs/shocks worn-out or simply want to drop for looks, therefore getting coilovers
* cats' removal or replacement
* NSX-R inspired desire to get replica composite spoiler, hood/bonnet, etc...

"kinda ironic, dontcha think...":
Over the course of ownership, the owner gets fatter & the NSX gets lighter... :tongue:

Well, as far as the F430 goes...

I enjoyed reading about your experience w/ the F430! Now that's something I have been striving towards (well eventually), and I assumed that I'd have to pursue a 360 Challenge_Stradale to get the total-package (I really like the looks of the 360 F1,; much more preferable compared to the 355 F1 and F430... just my own fancy!)

(wondering what LHD 360 F1's are going for in Europe nowadays... :biggrin: )

 

[SugrueNSX]

Re: Depends what comes w/ the package...

First-off, alot has changed since '90 when the NSX first hit the shores of America en'route to Acura showrooms. Since then, name notoreity has been slightly curtailed thanks to the all-world excellence the NSX displayed. Honda/Acura certainly can toss a sportscar in pretty much any market segment now and be well received, thanks to the NSX, Integra, and S2000.

Another thing to keep in mind is that one of the major changes w/ the NSX over the years: coupe -> NSX-T from '95 onwards (coupe became special order) was not planned for originally and the R&D/re-engineering plumped up the MSRP significantly ($81k+). And of-course the bloodied Yen back-in-the-day compared to a robust Dollar didn't help, so to speak.

I believe that when Honda President/CEO Fukui said, "Ferrari killer"... he wasn't just referring to the 360 Modena and F430, and namely other exotics; but he was meaning for the 'HSC' to be on par w/ exotic supercars in terms of engineering, technology, craftsmanship, and performance. A Honda V10 in an ultra-lightweight mid-engine/rwd, carbon/composite chassis and frame that should easily outclass the current Gallardo, F430, DB9, AMG's, 996 911_GT3 & Turbo, C6 Z06, Ford GT, Viper, and others.

To be able to target and be somewhat competitive w/ the Murcielago, Carrera_GT, SLR, Zonda, Koenigsegg, and other exotic supercars... yet costing 1/4 - 1/3 the price (exotic supercars), that would be an achievement AND a goal.

If the next Honda/Acura supercar can do that, a price-tag of $125k'ish will be justifiable.

Exotics {$165k+}: Gallardo, F430, DB9, AMG's, 911 GT3 & Turbo, Ford GT, etc... *HSC ~$90k

Exotic Supercars {$350k+}: Murcielago, Carrera_GT, SLR, Zonda, Koenigsegg, Enzo, etc... *HSC ~$125k


If the goal is to simply outduel the Gallardo, F430, AMG's, DB9, 997 GT3 & Turbo, Ford GT, C6 Z06, and Viper... a price-tag near the outgoing model's ballpark ($89k) would be necessary. I'd be willing to pay $90k'ish for such an offering, provided that it EASILY out-performed the aforementioned lot of exotics!

Have to put things into perspective w/ a company like Honda... a 2005 model from a platform and production line from '90, w/ a MSRP of $89k, was 95% as competitive as other cars costing $165k+ (Gallardo, F430, etc). In over 15years, production and manufacturing technology has come a long ways. I am quite sure Honda could offer the '05 NSX for 1/2 the $89k if it was able to impliment from ground-up, today's techniques and advances in automotive assembly/construction/etc.

So this is something the new model will have to look fwd to! I think the price will be right around the outgoing model's MSRP, $90k...

FYI:

'91 NSX MSRP: $60k
'91 Legend MSRP: $27k-$35k
'91 Integra MSRP: $12k-16.5k
'91 LS400 MSRP: $36k
'92 SC400 MSRP: $39k

'05 NSX-T MSRP: $89k
'05 RL MSRP: $49k
'05 RSX: $20k-24k
'05 LS430 MSRP: $56k-76k
'05 SC430 MSRP: $65.5k-$75.5k

*A Lexus LWB Hybrid LS460 sedan is planned to break the $100k barrier

Just keep this in mind... the very car we've been admiring for past 15 or so years... well the background of the company producing it was mostly lawnmowers, motorbikes, and econo-boxes... :tongue: Yet they offered a car in '90 that still offers 90%+ of the performance of cars double it's price that are designed/engineered/manufactured now!

Nota Bena: The post above is just my personal insights, not a declaration or affirmative stance. So no need to argue or say I'm off the deep-end. . . :wink:

Warning! I have no idea what I’m talking about. This is all just speculation.
So in my mind there are two types of sports cars. Firstly the ones I can afford and secondly the ones I can’t.
There is a whole spectrum of cars in the second category. At the lower end of the spectrum there are cars that I might be able to buy one day if the used price drops enough. At the upper end there are cars that I am fairly certain I will never be able to afford to own. Let me explain why. These cars are expensive and because they are so expensive they are also rare because not many people can afford to buy them. Even though the used price will drop, it will never drop enough and at some point may even start to climb again as the car becomes collectable. Even if some of these cars start to look affordable there are running costs to consider. So I don’t think I will ever own an Enzo or a Carrera GT or a Koenigsegg etc etc.
I hope that the replacement for the NSX is priced at around $120k. That way it will be main stream enough to sell in reasonable quantity so that one day I might own one. If the performance is anywhere near the Gallardo then in my opinion Honda can be very proud. I am sure that Honda could make a car to compete with the $440K Carrera GT but I doubt they could do it for under 200k at which point, from my perspective it’s all just academic.
I would be very happy to be wrong about this. I hope Honda can make an affordable Carrera GT beater but come on! I hate to be a magazine racer but look at the specs: Carbon fiber and Kevlar construction, inboard suspension, ceramic brakes, magnesium wheels, dry sump, 6.5 inch diameter clutch, it all weighs less than the current NSX and has over 600 hp with a top speed of over 200 mph. We can all dream but do you really expect Honda to produce a car to compare to the Carrera GT for under $150k in the next few years?

Regards,

Patrick

 

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Re: Depends what comes w/ the package...

I would be very happy to be wrong about this. I hope Honda can make an affordable Carrera GT beater but come on! I hate to be a magazine racer but look at the specs: Carbon fiber and Kevlar construction, inboard suspension, ceramic brakes, magnesium wheels, dry sump, 6.5 inch diameter clutch, it all weighs less than the current NSX and has over 600 hp with a top speed of over 200 mph. We can all dream but do you really expect Honda to produce a car to compare to the Carrera GT for under $150k in the next few years?

Well, it kinda exist already, it's called "Ford GT." Faster than the Carrera GT for $150k

 

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Re: Depends what comes w/ the package...

Well, it kinda exist already, it's called "Ford GT." Faster than the Carrera GT for $150k

There is a guy in the building where I work who drives a GT40 to work everyday. It makes my heart beat faster every time I see it. Oh and what a sound it makes! I don’t think it’s quite in the same league as the Carrera GT but let’s not argue about that.

If you can sell me a new Ford GT for $150k, I will take two please.

Regards,

Patrick