Help on value on rebuilt car in PA

[rickysals]

Haha, insurance companies usually come in the low 20's for total's on early NSX's. DO a search and you'll read a few horror stories with cars valued at about $35K, getting $22K from insurance.


I'd say maybe go for the car if you like it... if it wasn't wrecked. I could justify paying $27K for the car if it's exactly what you want. Being wrecked however, just wouldn't comfort me any.

An NSX is as close to an investment as you get now-a-days (with exception of buying the Enzo new for $660K and selling for $1.3M) especially earlier ones. If you buy a clean 92 for $30K, mod it how you like (in a way you can easily reverse it to perfect condition) you could probably sell it for near that value in 3 years.

 

[nsxtasy]

Haha, insurance companies usually come in the low 20's for total's on early NSX's. DO a search and you'll read a few horror stories with cars valued at about $35K, getting $22K from insurance.

All the people I know who have totalled their NSX have gotten somewhere around fair market value from their insurance companies. In fact, several of them received more than they thought their cars were worth.

However, these were all cars with clean titles, never wrecked prior to the final incident.

 

[SFMarine0311]

AFAIK this phenomenon was occurring primarily in Fla. for a long time. I believe things have changed in the last few years, however. As long as the newly imported, registered car passed some basic goofy inspection the state would issue a totally "clean" title on it.

Kinda scary actually. Anyone who knows more might chime in here...

Yes you're right.. I remember the car having a passed sticker in the door jam..from the dot. So i'd imagine it's a sticker from the crazy extensive inspection it had to indergo. To assure it was safe to return to the road i'd imagine.

 

[johnny010]

Moral of the story: get the car up on a lift, do an inspection, and if you like it, buy it.

Good luck

 

[SexyNsx]

Well I have a story for ya of some good value on a damaged and repaired NSX.

I had a 94 NSX.. not many mods.. it had about 60 k miles on it..

My ex girlfriend found me in bed with her brother.(I'm not gay it was an accident/experimentation)

Anyway she was a bit upset, and did something that I would consider innapropriate but perhaps in that particular state of mind it was warranted? I dunno..

She took the keys to my NSX drove it to a quarry, LIT IT ON FIRE, and DROVE IT OFF THE CLIFF. It fell about 15-20 feet and burned for about 20 minutes tops before I got to it.. She also kicked me in the groin that I had to go to the hosipital for due to some semi serious urinary infection.

In any case I had my buddy work on the car.. I was able to get the insurance to do a total loss on it due to the fact that the car was pretty much destroyed.. I got the money for the car, REPURCAHSED it from the auction of the insurance company through a friend.. Had it completely rebuilt to new for 40k, then sold it for more than that.

This was awhile ago, and I can tell you this for certain.. the car was in beyond perfect condition for a car that fell 20 feet into a quarry and landed ON ITS ROOF after cartwheeling (According to my ex) down the quarry wall. I am trying to tell you that every portion of the car was dented and damaged and the fire pretty much made the nice tan interior look not so nice..

So there was a good amount of work to be done.. but the car in my estimation was far better than it was in it's inital shape before she wrecked it. AND I didn't lose money on the deal..

I don't know if this will help, I am just trying to make the point that any NSX can be restored to 200% of it's build quality and enjoyed.. I enjoyed this car for years and looking at it NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE can tell it was involved in a burning quarry fall....

I want to also mention that is IS harder to sell a car that was involved in a burning quarry fall, I went through about a dozen buyers that REALLY lost interest after I brought that topic up. Even after I took it to a specialist and the car came up aces, many buyers just didn't like the term "burning quarry fall"

Hope this helps..

 

[johnny010]

My ex girlfriend found me in bed with her brother.(I'm not gay it was an accident/experimentation)

Holy geez.......




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Moving on, I speculate if the NSX came stock with lambo doors, no one would care (likely there would even be a different market of owners?). I think you are right, it does fit the look of the car especially if you add the right mods to go with it.

 

[nsxtasy]

I speculate if the NSX came stock with lambo doors, no one would care

I've spoken to many, many potential buyers over the years, and I can assure you that most buyers would never consider buying such a car.

 

[NSXGMS]

I've spoken to many, many potential buyers over the years, and I can assure you that most buyers would never consider buying such a car.

I would not buy a car w/ them even though I put the kit on myself. I'd ask that the car be converted back to stock and/or demand all the OEM parts. That should tell you everything you need to know.

 

[NSXGMS]

Well I want to also mention that is IS harder to sell a car that was involved in a burning quarry fall, I went through about a dozen buyers that REALLY lost interest after I brought that topic up. Even after I took it to a specialist and the car came up aces, many buyers just didn't like the term "burning quarry fall"

You don't say...

BTW, post your body guy's info. If this is true he is the man.

 

[nsxtasy]

BTW, post your body guy's info. If this is true he is the man.

The man to go to bed with. Just for an "accident/experimentation", of course.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

 

[NSXGMS]

The man to go to bed with. Just for an "accident/experimentation", of course.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

When I said "info", I meant personal info...if you catch my drift...:biggrin:

 

[johnny010]

I've spoken to many, many potential buyers over the years, and I can assure you that most buyers would never consider buying such a car.

Reason I speculated that current NSX owners would potentially consist of a different pool of owners. Plenty of people have the old Lambos...they aren't just parked outside waiting for owners in the 100's.

 

[AU_NSX]

Keeping in mind it has the 6sp i'd definitely approve it for the 20k range..

Why are all you guys so hung-up on the 6 speed???

I have had both and have found the 5 speed superior in some ways to the 6 speed...

I also will disagree with people who say that putting in the short gears in the 5 speed "Makes a difference in seat of the pants accelleration" If you look at the acceleration times under the FAQ it is proved that that is a load of hogwash...

 

[NSXGMS]

Why are all you guys so hung-up on the 6 speed???

I have had both and have found the 5 speed superior in some ways to the 6 speed...

I also will disagree with people who say that putting in the short gears in the 5 speed "Makes a difference in seat of the pants accelleration" If you look at the acceleration times under the FAQ it is proved that that is a load of hogwash...

I agree with that.

The 6-speed, adjusted for +20 HP, only betters the OEM 5-speed by ~.125sec 0-60MPH.

However...the shorties w/ the 4.235 R & P actually betters the 5-speed by .~.250 sec. This equates to an approximate 5% decrease in 0-60 time. I argue that you could probably feel that decrease--barely. :biggrin:

I am thinking, however, that the 6-speed, is probably a newer assy and might have more life in it...speculation, of course.:tongue:

 

[BD]

Why are all you guys so hung-up on the 6 speed???

I have had both and have found the 5 speed superior in some ways to the 6 speed...

I also will disagree with people who say that putting in the short gears in the 5 speed "Makes a difference in seat of the pants accelleration" If you look at the acceleration times under the FAQ it is proved that that is a load of hogwash...

Quick question, since you are in Au. Did your 5 speed came with the JDM short gear set? If it did, yeah, it is just as fun as the regular six speed. When I had my old 95, I felt the car wasn't really faster than my AP1 S2k. The current 03 I own is much quicker than the old 95. I think it was a very bad decision for Honda to offered the tall gear set on US and European exports.

everyone keeps brining up the lambo doors again i usually hate them so i will probably ebay the kit for 1500 or so new its 2500 shipped for this car. somone will like it. but in actuality I would have to admit this car is a an exotic and just like other cosmetic mods that make it more exotic if there is one car in existence that would be legaly alowed to do the lambo doors i must admit this body fits the look and era. I think if there werent ricers out there putting this kit on civics and focuses the opinon could be diffrent at least my eyes it would. the parts i like is the wings west kit the navigation the 6-speed and the clutch.


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johnny010
1) deduct 20 to 25 % since it is prior salvage (you did state that the title is clean though, so that is confusing me a bit).
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I know its weird but the title is clean title not rebuild or salvage but carfax shows salvage title issued in 2003. mabe previous owner applied for maryland revision and approval ive heard of this done on cars leagally. through certified body shops or something im not new to the car game and have heard of this. not sure how it works over here on the east coast.
and johnny do you use NADA private value or retail. for that calculation

Unfortunately, a salvage title vehicle looses 50% of it's whole sale value, at least that is how things work during whole sale auction. This may be a unique case, but if you end up with this car, you may have problem unload it in the future. Clean state title or not, I don't believe you can change what is stated in Carfax; therefore, if that is the case, no, it's not worth the asking price. Even with all the cosmetic mods.

 

[Vendetta]

Why are all you guys so hung-up on the 6 speed???

I have had both and have found the 5 speed superior in some ways to the 6 speed...

I also will disagree with people who say that putting in the short gears in the 5 speed "Makes a difference in seat of the pants accelleration" If you look at the acceleration times under the FAQ it is proved that that is a load of hogwash...

You're also not in north America so you probably already have shorter gears. Looking at it that way then yeah, probably not a whole lot of difference between the two trannies.

 

[nsxtasy]

The 6-speed, adjusted for +20 HP, only betters the OEM 5-speed by ~.125sec 0-60MPH.

However...the shorties w/ the 4.235 R & P actually betters the 5-speed by .~.250 sec.

Here are the numbers Bob Butler has calculated for 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for various configurations of an otherwise stock '91 NSX:

5.31 / 13.67 Stock '91 NSX
5.09 / 13.56 Stock '91 NSX with 6-speed
5.09 / 13.56 Stock '91 NSX with short gears (yes, it's the same, not a typo)
5.18 / 13.57 Stock '91 NSX with 4.235 R&P
4.96 / 13.48 Stock '91 NSX with short gears and 4.235 R&P

You can get a better perspective for how much benefit this is by comparing these numbers with those of adding 15 horsepower with no gearing changes:

5.00 / 13.35 Stock '91 NSX with +15 hp

 

[johnny010]

Unfortunately, a salvage title vehicle looses 50% of it's whole sale value, at least that is how things work during whole sale auction. This may be a unique case, but if you end up with this car, you may have problem unload it in the future. Clean state title or not, I don't believe you can change what is stated in Carfax; therefore, if that is the case, no, it's not worth the asking price. Even with all the cosmetic mods.

Yeah, but we are talking from a retail perspective. Unlikely he will wholesale his car after purchase.

 

[Patricio]

i used to be in the car buis. 5-6 yrs ago and agree that 50% is pretty high but 25% seams about correct.

I think I have chosen to look for another car unless he comes down to 25 just because the car is in great mechanical with new clutch and transmission. and the wings west kit. that to me is worth extra 3-4 k especially scince in my area there hard to come by. Is anywone on nsxprime local?

Hey i have been looking into mods already and out of curiosity scince NSXTSY posted 0-60 / 1/4s what is estimated RWHP and times on this set up?

91-94 5-spd w/
Cantrell air induction
TAITEC GT Lightweight Exhaust saves 33 lbs off rear end
TAITEC Headers
Denali ECU
TEIN Coilover suspension
17/18 wheels

is there a guestimate of RWHP and crank HP and 0/60 1/4 mile?

Just curious

then add comptech blower

 

[nsxtasy]

Hey i have been looking into mods already and out of curiosity scince NSXTSY posted 0-60 / 1/4s what is estimated RWHP and times on this set up?

91-94 5-spd w/
Cantrell air induction
TAITEC GT Lightweight Exhaust saves 33 lbs off rear end
TAITEC Headers
Denali ECU
TEIN Coilover suspension
17/18 wheels

is there a guestimate of RWHP and crank HP and 0/60 1/4 mile?

I would assume it's as posted above for '91 +15 hp. That's a typical horsepower bump for exhaust and headers, and the other mods don't make any difference in acceleration.

 

[AU_NSX]

Quick question, since you are in Au. Did your 5 speed came with the JDM short gear set? If it did, yeah, it is just as fun as the regular six speed. When I had my old 95, I felt the car wasn't really faster than my AP1 S2k. The current 03 I own is much quicker than the old 95. I think it was a very bad decision for Honda to offered the tall gear set on US and European exports.

You're also not in north America so you probably already have shorter gears. Looking at it that way then yeah, probably not a whole lot of difference between the two trannies.

Actually Australia got the European spec NSX (without the headlight wash). So we have the tall gear set as well. Only JDM 5speeds were the closer ratio.

Look at this table (found here)

Now do you really think you can "feel" 0.2 sec in a 0-60 mph time... ?

I think it is more likely that it is psychological feeling because the revs drop from 8000 rpm to 4400 rpm in the 1st - 2nd gear change in the 5 speed and the 6 speed it only drops to 5000 rpm. That is only a 600 rpm difference... You are still dropping out of VTEC with the 6 speed as well in the 5 speed. The "feeling" is that the car is "bogging down" more in the 5 speed... But in reality it is not as great a difference as you would think....

600 rpm and 0.2 sec 0-60 mph... That's the real difference!

Just so you know, my first NSX had the standard 5-speed, my twin turbo is a JDM NSX with the Japanese short gear ratios and I now have a '98 with the 6 speed... I personally prefer the feel of the dual plate clutch in the standard 5 speed as compared to the single in the 6 speed...

 

[nsxtasy]

When I had my old 95, I felt the car wasn't really faster than my AP1 S2k. The current 03 I own is much quicker than the old 95. I think it was a very bad decision for Honda to offered the tall gear set on US and European exports.

The gears on the '95-96 NSX were shorter than on the earlier ones. More specifically, second gear was about one third of the way between the '91-94 USIM version and the '91-94 JDM version.

Look at this table (found here)

That was Bob's original analysis. He revised his numbers and expanded the analysis in a subsequent article in NSX Driver, but the revised numbers don't appear in the FAQ.

 

[Vendetta]

That was Bob's original analysis. He revised his numbers and expanded the analysis in a subsequent article in NSX Driver, but the revised numbers don't appear in the FAQ.

Yes, as you told me before in another thread. That section in the FAQ isn't accurate / updated.

 

[AU_NSX]

That was Bob's original analysis. He revised his numbers and expanded the analysis in a subsequent article in NSX Driver, but the revised numbers don't appear in the FAQ.

Is it possible to update the FAQ with Bob Butler's revised and expanded analysis? From the few posts I have seen, the numbers didn't change that much and the demonstration of the point I was trying to convey is still valid.

Basically my point is that there is not a great advantage in swapping out a perfectly good 5 speed gearbox to put in a 6 speed. It could cost anywhere between $5,000 - $8,000 once you allow for labour to install, new clutch etc, and what is the real benefit??? A few tenths of a second in a 0-60 mile acceleration run that you loose again in the 70-130 mile bracket? What you gain down low you loose up high.

If you have that sort of money burning a hole in your pocket you would be better off putting a comptech supercharger on your car! But if you really MUST have the short gears in the 6 speed then I think you should look at trading in your 5 speed NSX for a newer one with a 6-speed! This would be a much wiser use of your $$$ than retrofitting a six-speed into an earlier car.

 

[nsxtasy]

Basically my point is that there is not a great advantage in swapping out a perfectly good 5 speed gearbox to put in a 6 speed. It could cost anywhere between $5,000 - $8,000 once you allow for labour to install, new clutch etc, and what is the real benefit??? A few tenths of a second in a 0-60 mile acceleration run that you loose again in the 70-130 mile bracket? What you gain down low you loose up high.

If you have that sort of money burning a hole in your pocket you would be better off putting a comptech supercharger on your car! But if you really MUST have the short gears in the 6 speed then I think you should look at trading in your 5 speed NSX for a newer one with a 6-speed! This would be a much wiser use of your $$$ than retrofitting a six-speed into an earlier car.

(on all points)