Help! Front plate it's this legal?

Woohoo, no front-plate states rock! Guess I'll be planning my retirement to one of those 19 states. Thanks for the info, Bill!
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I don't know, last time I cruised the beach in Del Mar and checked out the scenery, I kinda came to the conclusion that even with a moron Governor negotiating the worst POSSIBLE energy rates, and the requirement for front plates so that the stop-light cameras can identify us, California DOES have it's advantages.
 
PHOEN$X said:
If you are forced to install a front plate, please use a Dali bracket or similar device. Do not drill holes into the front bumper under any circumstances! My car was originally from California, and I am extremely thankful that the original owner did not marr the front bumper. It was definitely a factor in my purchase process, and probably for others as well.

There is no reason for anyone to drill holes in the front bumper. The stock front license plate mounting bracket uses holes that already exist and are hidden in the underside of the front bumper; it attaches with screws that screw in vertically from below.

Any NSX with holes visible in the front bumper is a (fortunately) very unusual exception, and is the unfortunate result of someone who was too stupid to bother figuring out how the stock bracket attaches.
 
The REAL nsxtasy said:
Any NSX with holes visible in the front bumper is a (fortunately) very unusual exception, and is the unfortunate result of someone who was too stupid to bother figuring out how the stock bracket attaches.
Oh they're out there.
 
I keep the plate off of the car but have it stored in between the seats so I can wedge it up in the windshield should it ever become necessary to have a front plate. Its easy to store and easy to retrieve should I ever feel the need for a front plate!
 
nsx4fun said:
In CA, the law does not require the front license plate to be mounted on the front of the car, it just has to be visible from the front.


CA CVC 5200:

Display of License Plates


5200. When two license plates are issued by the department for a vehicle, they shall be attached to the vehicle for which they were issued, one in the front and the other in the rear. When one license plate is issued for use upon a vehicle, it shall be attached to the rear thereof.

I suppose that is open for interpretation, but it sure sounds to me like it has to be attached to the front of the car. The grammar and comma placement do make this section ambiguous.

So it is legal to display it in the front windshield

CA CVC 26708:

Material Obstructing or Reducing Driver's View


26708. (a) (1) No person shall drive any motor vehicle with any object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or rear windows.

(2) No person shall drive any motor vehicle with any object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied in or upon the vehicle which obstructs or reduces the driver's clear view through the windshield or side windows.

(3) This subdivision applies to a person driving a motor vehicle with the driver's clear vision through the windshield, or side or rear windows, obstructed by snow or ice.

(b) This section does not apply to any of the following:

(1) Rearview mirrors.

(2) Adjustable nontransparent sunvisors which are mounted forward of the side windows and are not attached to the glass.

(3) Signs, stickers, or other materials which are displayed in a 7-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest removed from the driver, signs, stickers, or other materials which are displayed in a 7-inch square in the lower corner of the rear window farthest removed from the driver, or signs, stickers, or other materials which are displayed in a 5-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield nearest the driver.

(4) Side windows which are to the rear of the driver.

(5) Direction, destination, or termini signs upon a passenger common carrier motor vehicle or a schoolbus, if those signs do not interfere with the driver's clear view of approaching traffic.

(6) Rear window wiper motor.

(7) Rear trunk lid handle or hinges.

(8) The rear window or windows, when the motor vehicle is equipped with outside mirrors on both the left- and right-hand sides of the vehicle that are so located as to reflect to the driver a view of the highway through each mirror for a distance of at least 200 feet to the rear of the vehicle.

(9) A clear, transparent lens affixed to the side window opposite the driver on a vehicle greater than 80 inches in width and which occupies an area not exceeding 50 square inches of the lowest corner toward the rear of that window and which provides the driver with a wide-angle view through the lens.

(10) Sun screening devices meeting the requirements of Section 26708.2 installed on the side windows on either side of the vehicle's front seat, if the driver or a passenger in the front seat has in his or her possession a letter or other document signed by a licensed physician and surgeon certifying that the person must be shaded from the sun due to a medical condition, or has in his or her possession a letter or other document signed by a licensed optometrist certifying that the person must be shaded from the sun due to a visual condition. The devices authorized by this paragraph shall not be used during darkness.

(11) An electronic communication device affixed to the center uppermost portion of the interior of a windshield within an area that is not greater than 5 inches square, if the device provides either of the following:

(A) The capability for enforcement facilities of the Department of the California Highway Patrol to communicate with a vehicle equipped with the device.

(B) The capability for electronic toll and traffic management on public or private roads or facilities.

(c) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), transparent material may be installed, affixed, or applied to the topmost portion of the windshield if the following conditions apply:

(1) The bottom edge of the material is at least 29 inches above the undepressed driver's seat when measured from a point 5 inches in front of the bottom of the backrest with the driver's seat in its rearmost and lowermost position with the vehicle on a level surface.

(2) The material is not red or amber in color.

(3) There is no opaque lettering on the material and any other lettering does not affect primary colors or distort vision through the windshield.

(4) The material does not reflect sunlight or headlight glare into the eyes of occupants of oncoming or following vehicles to any greater extent than the windshield without the material.

(d) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), clear, colorless, and transparent material may be installed, affixed, or applied to the front side windows, located to the immediate left and right of the front seat if the following conditions are met:

(1) The material has a minimum visible light transmittance of 88 percent.

(2) The window glazing with the material applied meets all requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 205 (49 C.F.R. 571.205), including the specified minimum light transmittance of 70 percent and the abrasion resistance of AS-14 glazing, as specified in that federal standard.

(3) The material is designed and manufactured to enhance the ability of the existing window glass to block the sun's harmful ultraviolet A rays.

(4) The driver has in his or her possession, or within the vehicle, a certificate signed by the installing company certifying that the windows with the material installed meet the requirements of this subdivision and identifies the installing company and the material's manufacturer by full name and street address, or, if the material was installed by the vehicle owner, a certificate signed by the material's manufacturer certifying that the windows with the material installed according to manufacturer's instructions meets the requirements of this subdivision and identifies the material's manufacturer by full name and street address.

(5) If the material described in this subdivision tears or bubbles, or is otherwise worn to prohibit clear vision, it shall be removed or replaced.

So you cannot display it in the windshield.

This section may make the initial poster's plate illegal:

CA CVC 26708:

(e) No covering shall be used on license plates except as follows:

(1) The installation of a cover over a lawfully parked vehicle to protect it from the weather and the elements does not constitute a violation of this subdivision. Any peace officer or other regularly salaried employee of a public agency designated to enforce laws, including local ordinances, relating to the parking of vehicles may temporarily remove so much of the cover as is necessary to inspect any license plate, tab, or indicia of registration on a vehicle.

(2) The installation of a license plate security cover is not a violation of this subdivision if the device does not obstruct or impair the recognition of the license plate information, including, but not limited to, the issuing state, license plate number, and registration tabs, and the cover is limited to the area directly over the top of the registration tabs. No portion of a license plate security cover shall rest over the license plate number.

(f) No casing, shield, frame, border, or other device that obstructs or impairs the reading or recognition of a license plate by a remote emission sensing device, as specified in Sections 44081 and 44081.6 of the Health and Safety Code, shall be installed on, or affixed to, a vehicle.

It might take creative interpretation, but since the "cover" is actually part of your car -- and it is blocking the issuing state, someone might try to cite you. Who knows.

Dustin
 
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Kinan said:
I keep the plate off of the car but have it stored in between the seats so I can wedge it up in the windshield should it ever become necessary to have a front plate. Its easy to store and easy to retrieve should I ever feel the need for a front plate!

It won't save you from a ticket if the police wish to give you one. Just keep the plate behind the seat.

I used to think the Euro plate was better looking but from some pictures I see they have butchered the rear of the car for the plate. Still a slimmer plate is better in theory in my opinion.
 
Hey dustin, can you see your hood through the windshield? So not everything you see through the windshield constitutes an area that would be defined as an obstructed view.

You can have a license plate visible from the front of the car, inside the windshield, and still have it in a location that does NOT obstruct your view.
 
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