hating cops..stupid as staring into..a pitbull.

I've been around many pit bulls, ranging from sweet to scary. Someone that knows what they are, what they're capable of, and how to handle them will find them to be very good pets, unless they've been mistreated or come from poor stock. Personally, I think other breeds are better choices for most people.

You should never leave a pit bull alone, especially with children or stupid people(!), because even the nice ones can latch on to things and go into bulldog mode, where they put up with lots of abuse and don't let go. It's not the dog's fault; it's what they were bred for. They should be controlled or secured at all times. I don't mean to be harsh, but they have the strength to do terrible things in the wrong situation.

Unfortunately, lots of people think they're good dog owners, when they don't know enough about responsible dog ownership, and that's a problem with all dogs, regardless of the breed. :rolleyes:
 
I've been around many pit bulls, ranging from sweet to scary. Someone that knows what they are, what they're capable of, and how to handle them will find them to be very good pets, unless they've been mistreated or come from poor stock. Personally, I think other breeds are better choices for most people.

You should never leave a pit bull alone, especially with children or stupid people(!), because even the nice ones can latch on to things and go into bulldog mode, where they put up with lots of abuse and don't let go. It's not the dog's fault; it's what they were bred for. They should be controlled or secured at all times. I don't mean to be harsh, but they have the strength to do terrible things in the wrong situation.

Unfortunately, lots of people think they're good dog owners, when they don't know enough about responsible dog ownership, and that's a problem with all dogs, regardless of the breed. :rolleyes:

Eh this is where things become irresponsible. Certain breeds are by breeding and genetics dangerous and certain are not. A responsible owner knows this in advance. Some breeds were bred to guard and some to hunt. The bite force of a Pit and a Lab are worlds apart. Labs and most retrievers were bred to be soft mouth to that they don't tear apart what they've been sent to retrieve. Dogs that are bred to actually take down prey or to guard defend were bred to do just that. If you live in an area where you need that type of thing it's completely understandable to have pits , rotts , German sheps and the like. In America we buy what we want regardless of consequences and then play victim. People with kids or people who live an areas where kids are around shouldn't own guard or attack dogs. If you do accept consequences when nature does what nature does.
 
Eh this is where things become irresponsible. Certain breeds are by breeding and genetics dangerous and certain are not. A responsible owner knows this in advance. Some breeds were bred to guard and some to hunt. The bite force of a Pit and a Lab are worlds apart. Labs and most retrievers were bred to be soft mouth to that they don't tear apart what they've been sent to retrieve. Dogs that are bred to actually take down prey or to guard defend were bred to do just that. If you live in an area where you need that type of thing it's completely understandable to have pits , rotts , German sheps and the like. In America we buy what we want regardless of consequences and then play victim. People with kids or people who live an areas where kids are around shouldn't own guard or attack dogs. If you do accept consequences when nature does what nature does.

I agree - especially the last three sentences. :cool:
 
Plus, although this does not apply to you, I find that most pit owners are usually lower class, less educated and have aggressive personalities themselves.

most people here in TX sadly only use them for fighting , and they beat them so much.I care more about dogs then i do most humans. :rolleyes: There is no such thing as bad dogs but bad owners. :cool:
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You say you want figures? Check out the CDC link after myth 3.

Hey, you guys know all the myths :wink:






This is from dogsbite.org

You say you want to see some "Nice" pit myths ::
As a community, it's time to move beyond falsehoods and recognize the truth about this breed. Described below are the most popular myths used to defend pit bull ownership.


Myth #1
It's the owner not the breed
Fact: Poor ownership of a pit bull may exacerbate aggressive tendencies, but the pit bull is still an innately aggressive breed. Pit bulls were bred to fight. They were not bred to be household pets. Breed characteristics that are not in dispute include the following: robust strength, unpredictability, tenaciousness (the refusal to give up a fight) and high pain tolerance. When a pit bull attacks, it will not retreat even when considerable pain is inflicted upon it.


Myth #2
Mean pit bulls have been turned mean by their owners
Fact: This falsehood is an extension of myth #1. Carl Semencic, a pit bull owner and author of several guard dog book notes, "The American Pit Bull is indisputably the most effective fighting dog developed by man." One can't applaud the historical inbred aggression of a dog and simultaneously blame the owner for its aggression. Moreover, many good owners are victimized by their pits.


Myth #3
Statistics regarding pit bull attacks are false
Fact: Statistics regarding pit bull fatalities and severe injury are true. They are difficult for pit bull owners to swallow.

Breeds of Dogs Involved in Fatal Human Attacks in the United States Between 1979 and 1998
By Sacks, Sinclair, Gilchrist, Golab and Lockwood. Published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association (2000).

In a special report, this study reviews a 20-year period from 1979 to 1998 to determine the types of breeds most responsible for US dog bite fatalities.

Study highlights
At least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human dog bite related fatalities during the past 20 years. Pit bulls and rottweilers were involved in 60% of all fatalities, from 1997-1998, 67%.
It is extremely unlikely that pit bulls and rottweilers accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities.
Of 227 reports with relevant data, 75% of deaths occurred on owner property (58% involved unrestrained dogs, 17% involved restrained dogs), 25% of deaths occurred off owner property (24% involved unrestrained dogs, 1% involved a restrained dog off its owner’s property).

CDC.gov


Myth #4
Pit bulls are not unpredictable
Fact: On the contrary, pit bulls frequently attack without provocation or warning. This unpredictable behavior is a breed characteristic that even some pit bull owners admit. As a fighting breed, they were designed to conceal warning signals before an attack. For instance, pit bulls rarely growl or bear their teeth before they strike. Their tails were customarily docked to hide warning signs as well.


Myth #5
Pit bulls do not have a locking jaw
Fact: One of the primary features of a pit bull is a powerful set of jaws. While mechanically, they may not "lock," the inherent fighting trait of a pit bull is to lock and shake. This latter fact is where the locking jaw notoriety stems. To a community, it hardly matters if the "lock" is a bone characteristic or fighting one -- both contain the same deadly result.


Myth #6
My pit bull is the sweetest dog in the world
Fact: Just as a border collie is drawn to herd a group of children or animals -- the herding instinct is in the bloodline -- a pit bull does not need much provocation to attack. The aggressive nature of a pit bull is much like the fable the scorpion and the frog. Sadly, it is the very person that deems his pit bull sweet that may suffer the most.


Myth #7
Pit bulls score well on the American Temperament Test (so they can't be mean)
Fact: Alfons Ertel* designed the American Temperament Test in 1977 in hopes of creating a uniform temperament evaluation for American dogs. Since then, about 27,000 dogs have been tested, an average of 930 dogs per year. Given that there are 74.8 million dogs in the US today,2 it's fair to say that this test is not widely practiced nor recognized as a critical evaluation tool. To our knowledge, none of the following organizations endorse this test: The American Kennel Club, The American Humane Society and The American Veterinary Medical Association.
 
You guys are bored. :biggrin:

Perhaps staring into the eyes of a great dane would have been better. Ask me how I know! It was simply an analogy, and maybe not the best one at that. Hopefully my message that blanketly hating cops is stupid got through!

Is this thread official or unofficial?

Rebel, your dog looks evil, but in a good evil kind of way! :tongue:

http://www.biggeekdaddy.com/humorpages/Misc/lawnmowerDUI.html
 
You guys are bored. :biggrin:

Perhaps staring into the eyes of a great dane would have been better. Ask me how I know! It was simply an analogy, and maybe not the best one at that. Hopefully my message that blanketly hating cops is stupid got through!

Is this thread official or unofficial?

Rebel, your dog looks evil, but in a good evil kind of way! :tongue:

http://www.biggeekdaddy.com/humorpages/Misc/lawnmowerDUI.html


Don't mase me, bro.
 
You say you want figures? Check out the CDC link after myth 3.

Hey, you guys know all the myths :wink:






This is from dogsbite.org

You say you want to see some "Nice" pit myths ::
As a community, it's time to move beyond falsehoods and recognize the truth about this breed. Described below are the most popular myths used to defend pit bull ownership.


Myth #1
It's the owner not the breed
Fact: Poor ownership of a pit bull may exacerbate aggressive tendencies, but the pit bull is still an innately aggressive breed. Pit bulls were bred to fight. They were not bred to be household pets. Breed characteristics that are not in dispute include the following: robust strength, unpredictability, tenaciousness (the refusal to give up a fight) and high pain tolerance. When a pit bull attacks, it will not retreat even when considerable pain is inflicted upon it.


Myth #2
Mean pit bulls have been turned mean by their owners
Fact: This falsehood is an extension of myth #1. Carl Semencic, a pit bull owner and author of several guard dog book notes, "The American Pit Bull is indisputably the most effective fighting dog developed by man." One can't applaud the historical inbred aggression of a dog and simultaneously blame the owner for its aggression. Moreover, many good owners are victimized by their pits.


Myth #3
Statistics regarding pit bull attacks are false
Fact: Statistics regarding pit bull fatalities and severe injury are true. They are difficult for pit bull owners to swallow.



CDC.gov


Myth #4
Pit bulls are not unpredictable
Fact: On the contrary, pit bulls frequently attack without provocation or warning. This unpredictable behavior is a breed characteristic that even some pit bull owners admit. As a fighting breed, they were designed to conceal warning signals before an attack. For instance, pit bulls rarely growl or bear their teeth before they strike. Their tails were customarily docked to hide warning signs as well.


Myth #5
Pit bulls do not have a locking jaw
Fact: One of the primary features of a pit bull is a powerful set of jaws. While mechanically, they may not "lock," the inherent fighting trait of a pit bull is to lock and shake. This latter fact is where the locking jaw notoriety stems. To a community, it hardly matters if the "lock" is a bone characteristic or fighting one -- both contain the same deadly result.


Myth #6
My pit bull is the sweetest dog in the world
Fact: Just as a border collie is drawn to herd a group of children or animals -- the herding instinct is in the bloodline -- a pit bull does not need much provocation to attack. The aggressive nature of a pit bull is much like the fable the scorpion and the frog. Sadly, it is the very person that deems his pit bull sweet that may suffer the most.


Myth #7
Pit bulls score well on the American Temperament Test (so they can't be mean)
Fact: Alfons Ertel* designed the American Temperament Test in 1977 in hopes of creating a uniform temperament evaluation for American dogs. Since then, about 27,000 dogs have been tested, an average of 930 dogs per year. Given that there are 74.8 million dogs in the US today,2 it's fair to say that this test is not widely practiced nor recognized as a critical evaluation tool. To our knowledge, none of the following organizations endorse this test: The American Kennel Club, The American Humane Society and The American Veterinary Medical Association.


You are absolutely right from now on I will only walk in my town with a gun and shoot every pittbull that I see in self defense what a horrible breed, so mean and nasty too think they eat poor dyeing boys horses.


I read it on the Internet so it must be true.
 
You are absolutely right from now on I will only walk in my town with a gun and shoot every pittbull that I see in self defense what a horrible breed, so mean and nasty too think they eat poor dyeing boys horses.


I read it on the Internet so it must be true.

Dude how can you make fun of that? That little boy was crushed! On top of dying the only thing he wanted got mauled to death and you think that's funny:confused: The stories I posted were not internet BS I saw both on CNN. Stories like these pop up in everyones newspaper. By no means should you just go around shooting any animal unless it's in self defense. Strange and cruel sense of humor.
 
yeah , this coming from a street racer that posts videos of his antics with his NSX. :rolleyes:


yes, i'm generalizing , and being sarcastic. Just like not all NSX owners are street racers, not all pitbulls are bad.

Not sure what you're referring to, I don't streetrace or even own a video camera. ah well. :confused:


It's a little off topic, but a cop friend of mine moved into his new home and had been dying to get a German shepherd (same issue as pit bulls, but far less dangerous/spontaneous overall IMO). He was also planning on starting a family soon and didn't want to spend $600-800 on a new perfect German puppy, instead preferring to cheap out (and be humane) getting one from the shelter. Fortunately, I convinced him NOT to risk his future family on a potentially dangerous dog with an unknown past, and he got a very sweet purebred German. :smile:

Which leads me to *why* should normal owners in normal neighborhoods take the risk of their pit going berserk one day on a neighbor? I just don't get it, and I do know how great they can be as loyal dogs. But from a risk standpoint... that neighbor will take everything you own if he gets bitten. :eek: :confused:
 
You say you want figures? Check out the CDC link after myth 3.

Hey, you guys know all the myths :wink:






This is from dogsbite.org

You say you want to see some "Nice" pit myths ::
As a community, it's time to move beyond falsehoods and recognize the truth about this breed. Described below are the most popular myths used to defend pit bull ownership.


Myth #1
It's the owner not the breed
Fact: Poor ownership of a pit bull may exacerbate aggressive tendencies, but the pit bull is still an innately aggressive breed. Pit bulls were bred to fight. They were not bred to be household pets. Breed characteristics that are not in dispute include the following: robust strength, unpredictability, tenaciousness (the refusal to give up a fight) and high pain tolerance. When a pit bull attacks, it will not retreat even when considerable pain is inflicted upon it.


Myth #2
Mean pit bulls have been turned mean by their owners
Fact: This falsehood is an extension of myth #1. Carl Semencic, a pit bull owner and author of several guard dog book notes, "The American Pit Bull is indisputably the most effective fighting dog developed by man." One can't applaud the historical inbred aggression of a dog and simultaneously blame the owner for its aggression. Moreover, many good owners are victimized by their pits.


Myth #3
Statistics regarding pit bull attacks are false
Fact: Statistics regarding pit bull fatalities and severe injury are true. They are difficult for pit bull owners to swallow.



CDC.gov


Myth #4
Pit bulls are not unpredictable
Fact: On the contrary, pit bulls frequently attack without provocation or warning. This unpredictable behavior is a breed characteristic that even some pit bull owners admit. As a fighting breed, they were designed to conceal warning signals before an attack. For instance, pit bulls rarely growl or bear their teeth before they strike. Their tails were customarily docked to hide warning signs as well.


Myth #5
Pit bulls do not have a locking jaw
Fact: One of the primary features of a pit bull is a powerful set of jaws. While mechanically, they may not "lock," the inherent fighting trait of a pit bull is to lock and shake. This latter fact is where the locking jaw notoriety stems. To a community, it hardly matters if the "lock" is a bone characteristic or fighting one -- both contain the same deadly result.


Myth #6
My pit bull is the sweetest dog in the world
Fact: Just as a border collie is drawn to herd a group of children or animals -- the herding instinct is in the bloodline -- a pit bull does not need much provocation to attack. The aggressive nature of a pit bull is much like the fable the scorpion and the frog. Sadly, it is the very person that deems his pit bull sweet that may suffer the most.


Myth #7
Pit bulls score well on the American Temperament Test (so they can't be mean)
Fact: Alfons Ertel* designed the American Temperament Test in 1977 in hopes of creating a uniform temperament evaluation for American dogs. Since then, about 27,000 dogs have been tested, an average of 930 dogs per year. Given that there are 74.8 million dogs in the US today,2 it's fair to say that this test is not widely practiced nor recognized as a critical evaluation tool. To our knowledge, none of the following organizations endorse this test: The American Kennel Club, The American Humane Society and The American Veterinary Medical Association.

Thanks for doing the research--I think that study basically wraps it up pretty tightly. Overall, pits/rots are more dangerous than other dogs.

Hopefully, this will shed some light on why people think pits/rots are more dangerous than other dogs--because they are.

I think some people try too hard to defend what is blatantly obvious. Yes, pits can be safe if they have BOTH good genes and a good upbringing. But the numbers speak for themselves: in general, they are more likely to be dangerous.

I am not against your personal rights to own and love a pit, and I commend you for doing a good job, but just try to keep the safety of all those around you in mind--especially kids. Don't ever think you can let that dog out without a leash, and make sure he is always locked up properly.
 
http://www.atts.org/stats1.html

ATTS Breed Statistics
as of December 2006

Page 1: Afghan Hound - Belgian Malinois

Breed Name Tested Passed Failed Percent
AFGHAN HOUND 161 116 45 72.0%
AIREDALE TERRIER 98 75 23 76.5%
AKBASH DOG 14 12 2 85.7%
AKITA 447 329 118 73.6%
ALAPAHA BLUE BLOOD BULLDOG 6 4 2 66.7%
ALASKAN MALAMUTE 187 158 29 84.5%
AMERICAN BULLDOG 136 113 23 83.1%
AMERICAN ESKIMO 78 65 13 83.3%
AMERICAN FOXHOUND 2 2 0 100.0%
AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER 542 456 86 84.1%
AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER 521 437 84 83.9%
AMERICAN TUNNEL TERRIER 2 2 0 100.0%
AMERICAN WATER SPANIEL 6 5 1 83.3%
ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD DOG 26 21 5 80.8%
AUSTRALIAN CATTLE DOG 162 127 35 78.4%
AUSTRALIAN KELPIE 6 5 1 83.3%
AUSTRALIAN SHEPHERD 571 461 110 80.7%
AUSTRALIAN TERRIER 16 13 3 81.3%
AZAWAKH 1 1 0 100.0%
BASENJI 159 106 53 66.7%
BASSET HOUND 33 28 5 84.8%
BEAGLE 59 47 12 79.7%
BEARDED COLLIE 45 24 21 53.3%
BEAUCERON 11 8 3 72.7%
BEDLINGTON TERRIER 19 18 1 94.7%
BELGIAN LAEKENOIS 4 4 0 100.0%
BELGIAN MALINOIS 214 194 20 90.7%
 
http://www.realpitbull.com/myths.html


"Pit Bulls have locking jaws." The jaws of the Pit Bull are functionally the same as the jaws of any other breed, and this has been proven via expert examination.

The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of Pit Bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any [other] breed of dog. There is absolutely not evidence for the existence of any kind of ’locking mechanism’ unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier, says Dr. I. Lerh Brisbin of the University of Georgia (from the ADBA booklet, “Discover the American Pit Bull Terrier.)

"Pit Bulls can hold on with their front teeth while chewing with their back teeth." As stated above, the Pit Bull’s jaws are, functionally speaking, the same as all other breeds.

“Pit Bulls don’t feel pain.” Pit Bulls have the same nervous system of any other breed, and they can and do feel pain. Historically, those dogs that would tolerate or ignore discomfort and pain and finish the task they were required to perform were the dogs that were bred and the sort of dogs breeders strove to produce. This is the trait of “gameness” that so many breed fanciers speak of, which may be defined as, “The desire to continue on and/or complete a task despite pain and discomfort.”

“Pit Bulls have more bite pressure per square inch (PSI) than any other breed.” This is pure speculation at best, damaging myth at worse. There have been no exhaustive studies conducted to prove that Pit Bulls have the strongest jaws of any breed. There likely could not be any truly conclusive testing done to measure something like strongest breed PSI. A reason for this lies in the fact that dogs bite with varying pressure depending upon the situation, and what factors are driving the bite at that particular point in time. A dog cannot be instructed to bite down on a measuring device as hard as possible, so a tester could have no way of knowing whether or not a particular dog being tested is actually using its jaws to capacity in any given testing phase. There is also large size variation in any breed, and one must assume strength varies as well. A very large (but not typical or standard) Pit Bull may bite harder than a small Rottweiler, German Shepherd, or other breed, while a standard sized Pit Bull may not have as much jaw power as a larger, typical sized Rottweiler, etc. Also, if one breed is to claim “highest bite pressure”, all breeds would have to be compared. All 500+ of them.

Dr. I. Lerh Brisbin of the University of Georgia states, To the best of our knowledge, there are no published scientific studies that would allow any meaningful comparison to be made of the biting power of various breeds of dogs. There are, moreover, compelling technical reasons why such data describing biting power in terms of ‘pounds per square inch’ can never be collected in a meaningful way. All figures describing biting power in such terms can be traced to either unfounded rumor or, in some cases, to newspaper articles with no foundation in factual data. (From the ADBA booklet, “Discover the American Pit Bull Terrier.)

“Pit Bulls attack more people than any other breed.” Bite statistics are difficult to obtain accurately. Dogs that are referred to as “pit bulls” in statistical reports actually are a variety of breeds and mixes all lumped together under the “pit bull” heading. Also, many people have a difficult time properly identifying a true Pit Bull, so added to the statistics are those dogs that have been misidentified. Considering these factors, the actual number of attacks attributable to American Pit Bull Terriers is considerably lower than represented. Also important to understand is the extreme popularity of the Pit Bull and pit bull-type breeds. By some estimates, numbers-wise they are the most popular of all dog breeds. It is only logical to assume that the breed with the higher number of individual dogs would be represented with a higher number of bites. Viewing older statistical reports for the Center of Disease Control, one will see that trends in breed popularity reflect in the number of bites attributed to a specific breed during a specific period of time.

“The brains of Pit Bulls swell and cause them to go crazy”. Prior to the boom in Pit Bull popularity, the Doberman Pinscher was rumored to suffer from an affliction of the brain in which the skull became too small to accommodate a dog’s grey matter. This would, according to the rumor, cause the Doberman to go crazy, or “just snap” out of no where and attack their owner. This rumor could never be quantified, and indeed had no merit whatsoever. Now that the Doberman fad has run its course the Pit Bull has inherited the swelling brain myth. It is no truer now than it was during the Doberman’s fad days.

“Pit Bulls ‘turn’ on their owners.” Dogs, as a species, do not perform behaviors “just because”. There are always reasons for behavior, and when aggression becomes a problem the reasons can be such things as improper handling, lack of socialization or training, a misreading of dog behavior by the owner, or, rarely, disease. Aggression, when it presents in pet dogs, follows specific patterns. First occur warning signs, then more warning signs, and finally, when those signs are continually ignored or misinterpreted, the dog resorts to using its teeth. When an owner is startled by a sudden, aggressive outburst, it is because they have been unaware of problems that were brewing. This is true of all dogs, not just Pit Bulls. Pit Bulls, indeed no dogs, “turn” on their owners.

“The only thing Pit Bulls are good for is dog fighting.” Unfortunately, a large amount of attention has been brought to the fact that the Pit Bull was originally created for fighting other dogs in the pit. Since the breed was selectively bred for and excelled at this task, there is a common assumption that fighting must be all for which the breed is good. The truth of the matter is that the Pit Bull is one of the most versatile of canines, capable of excelling at just about any task his owner asks him to complete. This breed is routinely used for: obedience trialing, conformation showing, weight pull, Schutzhund (a German sport which requires dogs to perform in obedience, tracking and protection phases of a competition), agility, and have even been known to participate in herding trials, search and rescue work, and a variety of other tasks including police and armed services work. But fanciers will argue that the task this breed performs best of all is that of beloved companion.

"Dogs that are aggressive towards other dogs are aggressive towards people." Human aggression in dogs is entirely different than aggression directed at other animals. Inter-dog aggression is a normal trait of the breed (as it is in many terrier breeds, among others). Historically, humans were always in the pit, handling fighting dogs closely, while the animals were in full fight drive. A dog that was a danger to people and prone to biting was not feasible, and therefore carefully selected against.
 
from Wikipedia

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) published a study concerning deaths from canine attacks in 2000. Although often cited, the CDC report cautioned that the accuracy of the data "requires complete ascertainment of deaths and an accurate determination of the breed involved, and the denominator requires reliable breed-specific population data (i.e., number of deaths involving a given breed divided by number of dogs of that breed).
However, such denominator data are not available, and official registration or licensing data cannot be used because owners of certain breeds may be less likely than those owning other breeds to register or license their animals."[32]
The issue is further clouded by up to at least half a dozen different breeds being classified as "pit bulls" and comparing these figures to individual breeds, making statistical comparisons irrelevant.
Breed identifications were also obtained from media reports, a highly biased and dubious source on which to base policy decions. For all the reasons mentioned above CDC no longer quote breed identifications in dog-bite data.
These caveats notwithstanding, a CDC study detailing dog bite related fatalities in the US between 1979 and 1998 reveals that roughly one-third were caused by Pit Bull type dogs. The highest number of attacks (118) were by Pit Bull type dogs, the next highest being Rottweilers at 67. The full report can be accessed at: [13]
A followup to the study published in 2000 by Journal of American Veterinary Medical Association suggested that "generic non–breed-specific, dangerous dog laws can be enacted that place primary responsibility for a dog’s behavior on the owner, regardless of the dog’s breed. In particular, targeting chronically irresponsible dog owners may be effective."[33]
 
from Wikipedia

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) published a study concerning deaths from canine attacks in 2000. Although often cited, the CDC report cautioned that the accuracy of the data "requires complete ascertainment of deaths and an accurate determination of the breed involved, and the denominator requires reliable breed-specific population data (i.e., number of deaths involving a given breed divided by number of dogs of that breed).
However, such denominator data are not available, and official registration or licensing data cannot be used because owners of certain breeds may be less likely than those owning other breeds to register or license their animals."[32]
The issue is further clouded by up to at least half a dozen different breeds being classified as "pit bulls" and comparing these figures to individual breeds, making statistical comparisons irrelevant.
Breed identifications were also obtained from media reports, a highly biased and dubious source on which to base policy decions. For all the reasons mentioned above CDC no longer quote breed identifications in dog-bite data.
These caveats notwithstanding, a CDC study detailing dog bite related fatalities in the US between 1979 and 1998 reveals that roughly one-third were caused by Pit Bull type dogs. The highest number of attacks (118) were by Pit Bull type dogs, the next highest being Rottweilers at 67. The full report can be accessed at: [13]
A followup to the study published in 2000 by Journal of American Veterinary Medical Association suggested that "generic non–breed-specific, dangerous dog laws can be enacted that place primary responsibility for a dog’s behavior on the owner, regardless of the dog’s breed. In particular, targeting chronically irresponsible dog owners may be effective."[33]

All that is saying is that to be 100% sure, you need to make sure that pits weren't counted as being responsible for most of the attacks because either:

1) The breed was mis-identified (i.e. it looked like a pitbull, so they classified it as one even though it was actually a chihuahua).

2) Pit bulls aren't over-represented in the dog population (i.e. they were responsible for most of the deaths because they are the most common type of dog).

Do you have any numbers about how many pits there are out there compared to all other dogs?

I still think the CDC study is the best statistical reference we have. That blurb written on wikipedia was obviously by a pit-lover.

Besides, if we are going to cherry-pick wikipedia blurbs, another study was done in Canada with strikingly similar numbers:

"Another study of American and Canadian dog bite related fatalities from September 1982 to November 2006 produced similar results, reporting that Pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% fatal dog attacks[3]. This study also noted: "Of the breeds most often involved in incidents of sufficient severity to be listed, pit bull terriers are noteworthy for attacking adults almost as frequently as children." and "They are also notorious for attacking seemingly without warning, a tendency exacerbated by the custom of docking pit bulls' tails so that warning signals are not easily recognized."

And the full article so everyone can come to their own conclusions:

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog Attacks 1982 to 2006 Clifton.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bulls

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I mean, I think pit-owners themselves choose pits for their aggressive looks, strength, etc. You can't tell me they choose them because they'll look cute in their purses. Why deny the fact that these dogs are dangerous? Hell, that's probably the reason why you chose them. If a guy bought a pit bull because he wanted a good guard dog, that would make sense. If he got one because he saw a cute one as a puppy and has grown so fond of it that he always thinks of it as that harmless little puppy, that makes sense too. But even Charles Manson was a cute little baby at one time, and I'm sure if you raised little Charlie Manson for many years and he was sweet to you, you'd try to defend him too by saying it was his environment that caused his aggressive behavior. But in the end, we all know some people/animals are just more predisposed to aggression.

And I really don't see what this has to do with disliking cops, although I guess by your own token, you can say that loving pitbulls is as stupid as loving cops.

It's funny that owners seem to think that they are gentle dogs but always keep them on the beefiest chain-leashes I've ever seen. :biggrin:
 
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All that is saying is that to be 100% sure, you need to make sure that pits weren't counted as being responsible for most of the attacks because either:

1) The breed was mis-identified (i.e. it looked like a pitbull, so they classified it as one even though it was actually a chihuahua).

2) Pit bulls aren't over-represented in the dog population (i.e. they were responsible for most of the deaths because they are the most common type of dog).

Do you have any numbers about how many pits there are out there compared to all other dogs?

I still think the CDC study is the best statistical reference we have. That blurb written on wikipedia was obviously by a pit-lover.

Besides, if we are going to cherry-pick wikipedia blurbs, another study was done in Canada with strikingly similar numbers:

"Another study of American and Canadian dog bite related fatalities from September 1982 to November 2006 produced similar results, reporting that Pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% fatal dog attacks[3]. This study also noted: "Of the breeds most often involved in incidents of sufficient severity to be listed, pit bull terriers are noteworthy for attacking adults almost as frequently as children." and "They are also notorious for attacking seemingly without warning, a tendency exacerbated by the custom of docking pit bulls' tails so that warning signals are not easily recognized."

And the full article so everyone can come to their own conclusions:

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog Attacks 1982 to 2006 Clifton.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bulls

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I mean, I think pit-owners themselves choose pits for their aggressive looks, strength, etc. You can't tell me they choose them because they'll look cute in their purses. Why deny the fact that these dogs are dangerous? Hell, that's probably the reason why you chose them. If a guy bought a pit bull because he wanted a good guard dog, that would make sense. If he got one because he saw a cute one as a puppy and has grown so fond of it that he always thinks of it as that harmless little puppy, that makes sense too. But even Charles Manson was a cute little baby at one time, and I'm sure if you raised little Charlie Manson for many years and he was sweet to you, you'd try to defend him too by saying it was his environment that caused his aggressive behavior. But in the end, we all know some people/animals are just more predisposed to aggression.

And I really don't see what this has to do with disliking cops, although I guess by your own token, you can say that loving pitbulls is as stupid as loving cops.

It's funny that owners seem to think that they are gentle dogs but always keep them on the beefiest chain-leashes I've ever seen. :biggrin:



The CDC themselves admitted that the study was flawed. http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/biteprevention.htm

"There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill."



And it has nothing to do with cops, I just brought it up because djdrock made a generalization that pitbulls are mean, and staring at one in the eyes is as stupid as hating cops.


http://www.forpitssake.org/home.html is a non-profit organization that does Search & Rescue, Animal-Assisted Therapy, and dog training, and they exclusively use the American Pit Bull.

http://www.lawdogsusa.org/whypitbulls1.html another organization that trains pitbulls only for law enforcement agencies.


http://www.cesarmillaninc.com/features/factspitbulls.php Cesar Millan has several pitbulls in his pack living together with several other dogs of different breeds. Some of those pitbulls were even "bad" examples of the breed, but they seem to be coexisting just fine with the other dogs.

from his webpage


"My kids are around pit bulls every day. In the '70s they blamed Dobermans, in the '80s they blamed German shepherds, in the '90s they blamed the Rottweiler. Now they blame the pit bull."

- Cesar Millan
Pit bulls get a bad rap because of irresponsible owners. Many people consider the look or popularity of a breed before thinking about whether the dog works for their lifestyle. Please evaluate your lifestyle before taking on the responsibility of a pit bull.


Celebrities Who Own Pit Bulls

Jon Stewart of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart owns two pit bulls: Shamsky & Monkey.
Ken Howard, award-winning actor from Crossing Jordon, was saved by his pit bull Shadow during a medical crisis.
Movie star Alicia Silverstone owns a rescued pit bull named Samson.
Adam Brody gave girlfriend and O.C. co-star Rachel Bilson a pit bull named Penny Lane as a birthday gift.
Oscar winner Jamie Foxx, TV Personality Rachael Ray and Pittsburgh Steelers Linebacker Joey Porter all own two pit bulls!
Jessica Biel has a pit bull named Tina, and Jessica Alba owns a pit bull puppy.
President Theodore Roosevelt, President Woodrow Wilson, singer Kevin Federline, radio personality Ira Glass, actor Fred Astaire, General George Patton, actor Michael J. Fox, actor Jan Michael Vincent, actor Jack Dempsy, Thomas Edison, singer Madonna, movie star Brad Pitt, actress Bernadette Peters, comedian Sinbad, actress Linda Blair, actor Humphrey Bogart, musician Usher, comedian Mel Brooks, actress Ann Bancroft, actor Jan Michael Vincent, singer Pink, actress Eliza Dushku and actress Kelli Williams are just a few other celebrities who own or have owned a pit bull.

TV, Film & Print Appearances

Petey from The Little Rascals.
Grunt from the 1983 movie Flashdance.
Tige from Buster Brown shoe advertisements.
The dog in the film Snatch is a pit bull.
Jennifer Lopez used a pit bull in the music video "I'm Glad".
Veronica Mars from the UPN show of the same name owns a pit bull named Backup.
The pit bull was so respected in the early 1900's that the military chose an image of a dignified pit bull to represent the country on WWI propaganda posters.
The pit bull is the only breed to have graced the cover of Life Magazine three times.
Fun fact about the DPC’s famous pit bull, Daddy

Rapper Redman was Daddy's original owner. He gave the four-month old dog to Cesar to care for at the center, because he didn't feel he could take care of him properly in his environment.
Other Fun Facts

Helen Keller had a pit bull as a family pet.
Dakota is a pit bull search and rescue who searched for the remains of the astronauts who lost their lives in explosion of the space shuttle Columbia.
Popsicle, who received his name after police found him in a freezer during a drug raid, is famous for sniffing out drugs for the DEA.
A pit bull rescued in South Los Angeles by County Fire Station 14 during 1985 was the station's mascot for years."


You're gonna tell me Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson had vicious killers in the White House? I'm sure all those celebrities dont think their pets are vicious killers, and there are lost of ordinary law abiding folk that own pitbulls besides celebrities and presidents.
 
The CDC themselves admitted that the study was flawed. http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/biteprevention.htm

"There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill."



And it has nothing to do with cops, I just brought it up because djdrock made a generalization that pitbulls are mean, and staring at one in the eyes is as stupid as hating cops, which was another generalization.


http://www.forpitssake.org/home.html is a non-profit organization that does Search & Rescue, Animal-Assisted Therapy, and dog training, and they exclusively use the American Pit Bull.

http://www.lawdogsusa.org/whypitbulls1.html another organization that trains pitbulls only for law enforcement agencies.


http://www.cesarmillaninc.com/features/factspitbulls.php Cesar Millan has several pitbulls in his pack living together with several other dogs of different breeds. Some of those pitbulls were even "bad" examples of the breed, but they seem to be coexisting just fine with the other dogs.

from his webpage


"My kids are around pit bulls every day. In the '70s they blamed Dobermans, in the '80s they blamed German shepherds, in the '90s they blamed the Rottweiler. Now they blame the pit bull."

- Cesar Millan
Pit bulls get a bad rap because of irresponsible owners. Many people consider the look or popularity of a breed before thinking about whether the dog works for their lifestyle. Please evaluate your lifestyle before taking on the responsibility of a pit bull.


Celebrities Who Own Pit Bulls

Jon Stewart of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart owns two pit bulls: Shamsky & Monkey.
Ken Howard, award-winning actor from Crossing Jordon, was saved by his pit bull Shadow during a medical crisis.
Movie star Alicia Silverstone owns a rescued pit bull named Samson.
Adam Brody gave girlfriend and O.C. co-star Rachel Bilson a pit bull named Penny Lane as a birthday gift.
Oscar winner Jamie Foxx, TV Personality Rachael Ray and Pittsburgh Steelers Linebacker Joey Porter all own two pit bulls!
Jessica Biel has a pit bull named Tina, and Jessica Alba owns a pit bull puppy.
President Theodore Roosevelt, President Woodrow Wilson, singer Kevin Federline, radio personality Ira Glass, actor Fred Astaire, General George Patton, actor Michael J. Fox, actor Jan Michael Vincent, actor Jack Dempsy, Thomas Edison, singer Madonna, movie star Brad Pitt, actress Bernadette Peters, comedian Sinbad, actress Linda Blair, actor Humphrey Bogart, musician Usher, comedian Mel Brooks, actress Ann Bancroft, actor Jan Michael Vincent, singer Pink, actress Eliza Dushku and actress Kelli Williams are just a few other celebrities who own or have owned a pit bull.

TV, Film & Print Appearances

Petey from The Little Rascals.
Grunt from the 1983 movie Flashdance.
Tige from Buster Brown shoe advertisements.
The dog in the film Snatch is a pit bull.
Jennifer Lopez used a pit bull in the music video "I'm Glad".
Veronica Mars from the UPN show of the same name owns a pit bull named Backup.
The pit bull was so respected in the early 1900's that the military chose an image of a dignified pit bull to represent the country on WWI propaganda posters.
The pit bull is the only breed to have graced the cover of Life Magazine three times.
Fun fact about the DPC’s famous pit bull, Daddy

Rapper Redman was Daddy's original owner. He gave the four-month old dog to Cesar to care for at the center, because he didn't feel he could take care of him properly in his environment.
Other Fun Facts

Helen Keller had a pit bull as a family pet.
Dakota is a pit bull search and rescue who searched for the remains of the astronauts who lost their lives in explosion of the space shuttle Columbia.
Popsicle, who received his name after police found him in a freezer during a drug raid, is famous for sniffing out drugs for the DEA.
A pit bull rescued in South Los Angeles by County Fire Station 14 during 1985 was the station's mascot for years."


You're gonna tell me Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson had vicious killers in the White House? I'm sure all those celebrities dont think their pets are vicious killers, and there are lost of ordinary law abiding folk that own pitbulls besides celebrities and presidents.

haha.

Despite the numerous fallacies of composition, sampling, etc. I'm just going to say this:

I'd rather take my chances with a chihuahua.

As long as the law currently says you can own a pit bull, that is fine by me. And if you are doing a good job of raising it, keeping it on a leash/locked up and away from children and geriatrics...more power to you. I never said there aren't any nice pits, I just said as a breed they are more aggressive. If I can't convince you, no big deal. Just be cautious and definitely think about the safety of you as well as your family whenever you have to make a decision about the dog (i.e. If you are ever expecting a child, definitely think about giving the dog up--especially if it is a pit bull). I had a biologist friend who absolutely loved her Husky. I mean, this dog was her family. But when she became pregnant, she gave it up because she knew it was just an animal. The decision is yours, but I think you should definitely hear the other side and definitely at least think about it. We wouldn't say it if we didn't care about our fellow NSXprimers. I personally wouldn't care about what happened to a dog than a human (i.e. human well being > dog well being).
 
You are absolutely right from now on I will only walk in my town with a gun and shoot every pittbull that I see in self defense what a horrible breed, so mean and nasty too think they eat poor dyeing boys horses.


I read it on the Internet so it must be true.

I don't own pets but i love animals. That's why i don't hunt when most of the people i know do.

I can tell you this. ANY large animal that is NOT Restrained and acts in a threatening manner toward me will be put down on the spot.
 
I don't own pets but i love animals. That's why i don't hunt when most of the people i know do.

I can tell you this. ANY large animal that is NOT Restrained and acts in a threatening manner toward me will be put down on the spot.

That's common sense, I would do the same.
 
I am a dog LOVER. However I know of 3 people who have been attacked by pit bulls. One of my friends has a pitbull we call "two face" both sides of his head look different than the other. He also has a jackl and hyde personality. A buddy of mine has a scar on his face from two face. He was goofing around with two face one night and then the next night two face bit him, ripping his lip to his chin.

Also pitbulls and other select dogs are not covered on your home owners insurance. I know we can not rent to tenants with certain breeds.
 
yeah , this coming from a street racer that posts videos of his antics with his NSX. :rolleyes:

yes, i'm generalizing , and being sarcastic. Just like not all NSX owners are street racers, not all pitbulls are bad.

You say you want to have a discussion but when somebody presents a honest concern about Pitbulls you attack their character and then try to cover it up.

Obviously you love pitbulls and will defend them but I would have hoped for a more mature response.
 
You say you want to have a discussion but when somebody presents a honest concern about Pitbulls you attack their character and then try to cover it up.

Obviously you love pitbulls and will defend them but I would have hoped for a more mature response.

I was being sarcastic by generalizing that he's a street racer because he owns an NSX. :rolleyes:
 
There was a book published recently about pits. I THINK it was called "Fall of an American Icon" detailing hot the pit bull went from being considered the paramount of the american dog breeds to pariah in a centuries timespan. The references to former presidents that owned them, as well as the little rascal's and Mack Trucks mascots are all prominently featured in it.

As was mentiones, in the 1970's, it was the doberman, then the shepard, then the rottweiler, now pits.

While I do not own a pit, i have a show worthy boxer that is often called a pit by the unknowing public. He is amazingly vicious, and attacks repeatedly unprovoked... oh wait... no those are my ferrets, who terrorize my dog at every opportunity.

EVERY pit I've ever encountered was friendly, and the only one I ever saw attack anything attacked my last boxer when a bitch in heat was present. Sadly, that pit's "locking jaws and imperviousness to pain" didn't serve him well as my dog proceded to technically "whup his ass", and send him cowering and whining back to his yard.

Yes admittedly some dogs are prone to more violent tendencies, JUST as some people are prone to violence, too. Yet amazingly, not every 6'5 300 lb strongman whips people for fun, though i'd wager someone of that disposition is likely to inflict more damage than a 92 lb computer nerd.

Perhaps we need laws banning large people from coexisting with others?

Better yet, maybe we should hadle the problems as they arise, rather than try to blanket law every potential problem before it arises....

Oh and I've been hospitalized twice for unprovoked dog bites. Collie and a german shepard.... let's make them illegal, too... See ya Lassie and Rin-tin-tin!
 
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