hating cops..stupid as staring into..a pitbull.

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djdrock said:
.... So blanketly hating cops is as stupid as staring into the eyes of a pitbull. ...
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Can you explain this one for me? :confused:

I'd like to have a discussion about pitbulls and some of the hate, myths, and stereotypes about them. If you don't like them, please tell why. Have you had any actual experience with one, or do you just go on what you hear and see in the media?

Also for you pitbull lovers, lets hear your side of the story.

Here is one of our pitbulls, Torito, we've had him for 10 years now. As you can see he's all white with blue eyes, but I'm not sure if he's a true albino, as he has some specks/freckles on his ears. He's the best pibull/dog we've had and have ever seen.

The other one we have is about 2 yrs old, male. He's very hyper when given attention but that will be "fixed" very soon. He was rescued by my brother, saw him wandering the street/highway, obviously suffering from malnutrition. He's all better now :smile:

At first there was a lil animosity, the younger dog being a bit territorial, but my older one checked him quickly, showing him that neither of them were the boss of the house. Now they get along great. They sleep, play, walk, and get baths together. Both are left at home by themselves all the time with no problems. They have free access to the backyard and house , well at least to my brother's bedroom.

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I'll start out by saying that I'm a dog lover. I have two black labs.
I have a privacy fence between my house and my neighbors. They used to have a single bull dog that would always bark and get my dogs all excited looking thru the fence. After noticing they would be gone for days on end and then seeing the dog had no food or water I decided to put some under the fence. The dog quickly got quiet and ate and went to sleep. This went on for a couple of days till I called animal control on them.
WELL, now they have added a pit bull to the back yard. This dog is in the process on knocking down boards of the fence in an attempt to get at my dogs. Now I'm not saying that sometimes maybe my dogs don't instigate it but I have watched them go out in the yard and the pit bull jumps up and starts going nuts. I honestly fear that if it can break enough boards out then it will get into yard and probably hurt my dogs.
And no, the owners still don't come around very often.
I'm in the process of getting a new fence put up so there will be two of them between us. Just to be safe.
My dogs are 62 & 75 lbs and female and aren't aggressive at all.
So at this point, I don't think very highly of them. The dogs or owners.
JMHO
 
My wife and I love Pits. There is no such thing as a bad dog- only bad owners.
The Pit gets a really bad rep because the most visible Pits seem mostly owned by thugs, criminals and scum for intimidation and muscle. They train them to be mean and agressive. The owners of those dogs are the ones who should be put down, not the dog.
The good ones, like your two, are rarely put out front like that to represent for the good pits. SO, I say put the thugs, criminals, etc. who give the Pit the bad rep to sleep.
 
I have a Pit and have had him for about 11 years now. He has been the best dog ever. He is very loyal and always wants to be around me. We have a lot of parties and have never had a problem with him being aggressive towards people. I will definately get another one when he goes. He is 12 years old and starting to show signs of age, hips, knees. What is the average life expectancy of a Pit (American Staffordshire Terrier)?
 
Owned 'em and loved them. No problems here. It is a real shame how the main stream media has sensationalized them and how mis-guided many people's notions are of the breed. It used to really make me sad to take one out for a walk and get so many glares from passer-bys. :mad:

They are such wonderful family pets.

When I first came into one my H/O board put up a fight and all but pulled me into court to try and get rid of it. Several years later they finally apologized to me, and came to admit that I had a wonderful well behaved dog and they were wrong. Pretty rare.

I always knew it had nothing to do with the dog. I always respected what I had and did what needed to be done. No different than owning a gun or driving a high powered sports car, you are your own ultimate insurer against pending disaster. So don't be sitting at the craps table dolling out C notes if you can't afford to lose.

Personally, I never let them off leash around other animals in public for example, let them roam free in packs, or around little ones unsupervised. I pass a dog on a dog trail and I kept my distance. Another wards, all of the things that usually proceed the late night stories on the 11PM news.

I have had a lot of dogs, and Pits are stronger more capable animals and you have to set firm bounds with how they are handled slightly more so than some other breeds. I am a smaller guy so they take me for the walk. LOL. :biggrin:

If I could I would probably have a pet Croc or Velociraptor too. No bad animals in the wild, just bad owners. You want to domesticate an animal, take some responsibility for it for a change.

I firmly believe having graduated to the top of the chain, more people should be using their noodles instead of blaming animals for their behaviors when things go wrong. Stop with this 'snapped' and unpredictable BS and flat out find me an un-preventable incident. Doesn't exist. When is American society going to man up and take some self-responsibility? If your pet Lion eats your kid is that not your fault either? If your NSX turns around and crashes into the wall at a track day is that because it was ME? Come on people... their are contributing factors and then their are glaring excuses and cop-outs.

If you don't agree and are die hard in the opposing camp, then at least have equal standards and euthanize as many people for their bad behavior as we do pits. At least we have the luxury to suppress our basic instincts. Pits stuck in shelters because of bad owners rarely get that second chance anymore. :frown:
 
Cairo94507 said:
My wife and I love Pits. There is no such thing as a bad dog- only bad owners.
The Pit gets a really bad rep because the most visible Pits seem mostly owned by thugs, criminals and scum for intimidation and muscle. They train them to be mean and agressive. The owners of those dogs are the ones who should be put down, not the dog.
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+1

ANY dog (even a lab, or a chihuahua) can become aggressive if they are mistreated. It really comes down to the training, (or neglect) of the owner that produce negative traits.

I recall having a negative opinion about the Doberman Pincer based on movies, and TV examples I had seen, but I saw something completely different in the two female Dobermans my parents adopted.

Pit Bulls are wonderful, and intelligent dogs that have a capacity for loyalty and love for their owners similar to that of any other terrier breed. Still, they are often demonized by the media as violent and aggressive. It really isn't the breed that is at fault, it is the ownership, and a few high profile news stories.

92NSX- it sounds like you need to place another call to animal control. Your neighbors don't sound like good pet owners. Do me a favor too- when you call animal control, also look up a local PitBull shelter and let them know there is a dog that may be taken into custody. Negative training can often be corrected and the dog can be saved.

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I love dogs but i don't have a thing against pit bulls. But for some reason most of the pit bulls here in TX are not treated the way they should be, they are fighting dogs and the ASPCA automatic put down a pit bull just because they say they are mean dogs, even tho they are not mean dogs , its the way you raise the :frown:

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Here is my dog 4 year old germen shepherd. :biggrin:
 
tell it to an otherwise beautiful girl friend of mine that has a scar on her face from a *good* neighbor's pit bull when she was little. she'd be dead if the dog's owner didn't have it on a leash, and her daddy didn't have a bat (for later that day). no joke.
 
Ski_Banker said:
tell it to an otherwise beautiful girl friend of mine that has a scar on her face from a *good* neighbor's pit bull when she was little. she'd be dead if the dog's owner didn't have it on a leash, and her daddy didn't have a bat (for later that day). no joke.
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yeah , this coming from a street racer that posts videos of his antics with his NSX. :rolleyes:


yes, i'm generalizing , and being sarcastic. Just like not all NSX owners are street racers, not all pitbulls are bad.
 
Cairo94507 said:
My wife and I love Pits. There is no such thing as a bad dog- only bad owners.
The Pit gets a really bad rep because the most visible Pits seem mostly owned by thugs, criminals and scum for intimidation and muscle. They train them to be mean and agressive. The owners of those dogs are the ones who should be put down, not the dog.
The good ones, like your two, are rarely put out front like that to represent for the good pits. SO, I say put the thugs, criminals, etc. who give the Pit the bad rep to sleep.
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Very true...it all depends on who the owners are. I've had owners of Pits with really nice dogs. On the other hand, I've had encounters with young males who owned these Pits and all they did was attack/provoke my German Shepherd.
 
tjobeid said:
I love dogs but i don't have a thing against pit bulls. But for some reason most of the pit bulls here in TX are not treated the way they should be, they are fighting dogs and the ASPCA automatic put down a pit bull just because they say they are mean dogs, even tho they are not mean dogs , its the way you raise the :frown:

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Here is my dog 4 year old germen shepherd. :biggrin:
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Wow looks a lot like my beloved Toby (RIP)... he was 13.
 
NSXrebel said:
Can you explain this one for me? :confused:

I'd like to have a discussion about pitbulls and some of the hate, myths, and stereotypes about them. If you don't like them, please tell why. Have you had any actual experience with one, or do you just go on what you hear and see in the media?

Also for you pitbull lovers, lets hear your side of the story.

Here is one of our pitbulls, Torito, we've had him for 10 years now. As you can see he's all white with blue eyes, but I'm not sure if he's a true albino, as he has some specks/freckles on his ears. He's the best pibull/dog we've had and have ever seen.

The other one we have is about 2 yrs old, male. He's very hyper when given attention but that will be "fixed" very soon. He was rescued by my brother, saw him wandering the street/highway, obviously suffering from malnutrition. He's all better now :smile:

At first there was a lil animosity, the younger dog being a bit territorial, but my older one checked him quickly, showing him that neither of them were the boss of the house. Now they get along great. They sleep, play, walk, and get baths together. Both are left at home by themselves all the time with no problems. They have free access to the backyard and house , well at least to my brother's bedroom.

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Pitbulls are dangerous in general--plain and simple. That's good that you own a peaceful pit, but what you have to realize is that these dogs were BRED to be aggressive, strong and killers. I think they were bred to fight off bulls, so I really don't see how you can say they are tame animals. Every pit owner loves to say that it is all in the nurture, and while nurture does play a great deal in an animal's personality, nature plays a larger role. Pit Bulls have an area of the brain called teh amygdala that is larger than most other dogs. This area of the brain controls emotions such as rage and aggression. The pit also has a stronger biting force and bigger muscles than a lot of other dogs. Why? Again, it's all in the breeding. Not all pits were this way hundreds of years ago, but breeders selected these killer-traits and only let those dogs with it mate.

You can argue all you want about how safe they are, but the numbers speak for themselves. I mean, would you keep a lion as a pet? The nurture debate really falls apart there.

If you are going to keep a pit, just make sure it is always supervised, always on a leash/locked up and never around any children. I really don't see the point of keeping one besides using it as a guard dog, but to each his own.

Plus, although this does not apply to you, I find that most pit owners are usually lower class, less educated and have aggressive personalities themselves.
 
Pits are great dogs!

I have a 2 year old german breed Rottweiler.He scares the hell out of people but he is just a big puppy. Just don't try to walk into my house with out someone he knows being there.

Rottweilers have the same bad reputation as pitbulls, but both make great gard dogs and are great with kids.
 
KSXNSX said:
Pitbulls are dangerous in general--plain and simple. That's good that you own a peaceful pit, but what you have to realize is that these dogs were BRED to be aggressive, strong and killers. I think they were bred to fight off bulls, so I really don't see how you can say they are tame animals. Every pit owner loves to say that it is all in the nurture, and while nurture does play a great deal in an animal's personality, nature plays a larger role. Pit Bulls have an area of the brain called teh amygdala that is larger than most other dogs. This area of the brain controls emotions such as rage and aggression. The pit also has a stronger biting force and bigger muscles than a lot of other dogs. Why? Again, it's all in the breeding. Not all pits were this way hundreds of years ago, but breeders selected these killer-traits and only let those dogs with it mate.

You can argue all you want about how safe they are, but the numbers speak for themselves. I mean, would you keep a lion as a pet? The nurture debate really falls apart there.

If you are going to keep a pit, just make sure it is always supervised, always on a leash/locked up and never around any children. I really don't see the point of keeping one besides using it as a guard dog, but to each his own.

Plus, although this does not apply to you, I find that most pit owners are usually lower class, less educated and have aggressive personalities themselves.
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There's a difference between a Lion, a wild animal, and a Pitbull, domesticated. You said it yourself, they were bred to fight bulls and other wild animals, not to harm humans. Infact, America used to love pitbulls. They weren't just used for pit fighting, but also used as work dogs in farms, police work, and just plain family dogs. Past Presidents have owned pitbulls, I'm sure they or the people back then think they owned killers.

Its only in the past couple decades that it has received all this bad publicity. Yes there are bad examples of the breed out there, and even worst irresponsible owners. They breed and inbreed bad examples.

And what numbers are you talking about? have a link? Most "pitbull" attacks are incorrectly reported as being an actual pitbull attack. When they do attack they do cause great harm, but those are the bad examples. And even then, they attack less than other dogs. Studies by vets have shown that pibulls have better temperament than most dogs.

If they were as bad as you say they are, would the AKC, UKC, ADBA still be showing them in their conformation shows?
 
DRIFTER said:
Pits are great dogs!


Rottweilers have the same bad reputation as pitbulls, but both make great gard dogs and are great with kids.
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Actually, because pitbulls were bred to be aggressive towards other animals and not human, a well brought up pitbull makes a lousy guard dog. My dogs will start wagging their tails at the sight of a person.
 
KSXNSX said:
what you have to realize is that these dogs were BRED to be aggressive, strong and killers. I think they were bred to fight off bulls, so I really don't see how you can say they are tame animals.
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I don't know much at all about Pit Bulls. I do know that I find some of this reasoning to be flawed.

We own and English Bulldog. English Bullies were oringinally bread to fight bulls. Hence their wrinkles, strong necks, extremely strong jaws, etc. By all reports they were absolutely deadly animals a few hundred years ago.

But today's English Bulldog couldn't be further from that temperment. They still look mean as hell but they are extremely loving, gentle, dogs.

So I'm a little unsure of the generalization that because Pit Bulls are strong and they used to be bred for a single purpose, that they continue to be horrible monsters today.
 
92NSX said:
I'll start out by saying that I'm a dog lover. I have two black labs.
I have a privacy fence between my house and my neighbors. They used to have a single bull dog that would always bark and get my dogs all excited looking thru the fence. After noticing they would be gone for days on end and then seeing the dog had no food or water I decided to put some under the fence. The dog quickly got quiet and ate and went to sleep.
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I'm curious... what kind of "bulldog"? There are English Bullies, French Bullies, Pit Bulls, American Bullies, etc. While many of these different breeds appear similar, and are all distantly related, they are not, in fact, the same.

An English Bulldog, for example, is about the laziest thing God ever made. I have never owned an Pit Bull nor do I know anyone who owns one but my understanding is that Pit Bulls were once working dogs and have a lot of energy.
 
comtec said:
This was in the news when i went to my parents home over thanksgiving. It happened about 2 weeks ago. The girl was attacked by 2 pit bulls that were owned by her friend that she had been living with for the last 2 months.

Deputies say a neighbor called 911 after seeing a pit bull attack 21 year-old Jennifer Lowe in her home.


On a side note.... Two officers were dispatched to the scene and it took them over 20 minutes to respond. BOTH had to stop for gas before responding :mad: .
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It's funny how pit lovers have to start these threads. My buddy has two and along with a rotty. He used to defend them all the time and I would send him stories just to pick with him. Truth is what the truth is the dogs were bred to deliver damage and can be extremely territorial. Pits are the only dogs listed on the CDC list for the most human kills of a breed. Do pits get bad press yes , but the flip side is the dog has to be there to be identified.

Stuff like this http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/08/dogs-break-into.html didn't help , but I think this story pretty much put them into irredeemable territory. http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=7259047 I mean ..damn to kill a little boys miniature horse that he got from the make a wish foundation..LOL Your press can't get much worse than that!

Feel free to reply back ,but please don't give that it's like a loaded gun stuff ,because guns can't get up and run after you! LOL
 
Pit bulls kill miniature horse donated to cancer-stricken child.

But It was a miniature horse and they were just hungry:tongue:
 
DRIFTER said:
Pit bulls kill miniature horse donated to cancer-stricken child.

But It was a miniature horse and they were just hungry:tongue:
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LOL You can't make stuff like that up! Even pit lovers can't defend that ..LOL
 
Da Hapa said:
I'm curious... what kind of "bulldog"? There are English Bullies, French Bullies, Pit Bulls, American Bullies, etc. While many of these different breeds appear similar, and are all distantly related, they are not, in fact, the same.

An English Bulldog, for example, is about the laziest thing God ever made. I have never owned an Pit Bull nor do I know anyone who owns one but my understanding is that Pit Bulls were once working dogs and have a lot of energy.
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Sorry, I haven't a clue on exactly what kind of dog it is. It just has a bulldog looking face, very short golden hair and once fed seems to be a very sweet dog.
I just HATE that dogs, any dogs good or bad, are being treated like they are.:mad:
 
NSXrebel said:
There's a difference between a Lion, a wild animal, and a Pitbull, domesticated. You said it yourself, they were bred to fight bulls and other wild animals, not to harm humans. Infact, America used to love pitbulls. They weren't just used for pit fighting, but also used as work dogs in farms, police work, and just plain family dogs. Past Presidents have owned pitbulls, I'm sure they or the people back then think they owned killers.

Its only in the past couple decades that it has received all this bad publicity. Yes there are bad examples of the breed out there, and even worst irresponsible owners. They breed and inbreed bad examples.

And what numbers are you talking about? have a link? Most "pitbull" attacks are incorrectly reported as being an actual pitbull attack. When they do attack they do cause great harm, but those are the bad examples. And even then, they attack less than other dogs. Studies by vets have shown that pibulls have better temperament than most dogs.

If they were as bad as you say they are, would the AKC, UKC, ADBA still be showing them in their conformation shows?
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Well said, there is no reason to compare a pitbull to a wild animal. It all comes down to how a dog has been raised regardless of the breed.
 

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