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Here is a little video footage of testing at Fiorano: http://www.bilfo.dk/photos/462/f60video.wmv
Ferrari FX (F60)
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The car really looks better with a big spoiler a la F40 and F50. It just doesn't look right without it.
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NetViper -= 100% Stock EBP 2000 Civic Si =- Still looking to get an NSX, but at least I can live life at 8,000 RPM!
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NetViper -= 100% Stock EBP 2000 Civic Si =- Still looking to get an NSX, but at least I can live life at 8,000 RPM!
Originally posted by ilya:
FINE! Nobody likes it.
I'll Take it!
When a car performs the way an F60 probably will, it could have giant pink flowers as wheels for all I care. I'll drive it loud and proud.
Here ya go! How bout a set of VW daisy wheels?!?!?
<img src=http://www.nsxprime.com/members/gloo/fx.jpg>
[This message has been edited by JoeSchmoe (edited 18 April 2002).]
Wow I think I'm going to agree with the majority of the people here and say I dont like it. I think it looks like it should be wearing a Ford or Caddy badge. Its to edgy and square to be a Ferrari. All the pervious Ferrari's have been smooth, fluid and sexy (except for the mondial).
I think the only thing I like in the pic is the wheels.
[This message has been edited by PUREVIL (edited 18 April 2002).]
I think the only thing I like in the pic is the wheels.
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Originally posted by gheba_nsx:
Ok, I am the only one that would agree to drive that *uglyness* if Ferrari remains with an unsold one...
No I'll drive one too! I'll be their in August to pick it up but I want mine to be rossa. If you see one in Porto Cervo it is mine. I can't wait to drive it by costa Smeralda.....
Well at least I'll be in Porto Cervo in August but most likely in a rented Alfa.
Oh BTW I think it looks good. The pics don't do it justice. It's a very sweet ride and you're going to see F40/50 owners wanting one. Hey Paige and Brad! Are you out there? How about a F60 around PIR?
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Am I wrong or had the F60 in the video pop-up headlights?
Will the 2003 facelifted "'02-NSX" have those coll retractable lights too?
Will the 2003 facelifted "'02-NSX" have those coll retractable lights too?
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April 22:
A nearly yearlong squabble between gray-market importers and Ferrari of North America on its supercars is over—at least as it relates to 2001 model Ferrari 360s and 550 Maranellos.
“I’m looking forward to my first paycheck in 11 months,” said Lois Joyeusaz, CEO of J.K. Technologies. The Baltimore importer has been at the forefront of a battle with Ferrari to win U.S. Department of Transportation permission to import non-U.S.-spec 360s and 550s to the States.
Since last summer, Ferrari has argued against the importation of the non-U.S.-spec cars on grounds that the cars were substantially different than those Ferrari imports to the U.S. market—so different that importers could not readily modify them to meet U.S. standards. Ferrari’s uncharacteristically hard line took gray-market importers by surprise, because the company had rarely voiced objections to the imports in the past.
“We’ve taken the stance from the beginning that we are the protectors of the marque,” said Ferrari North America spokesman Jeff Ehoodin.
After months of bureaucratic wrangling, followed by on-site inspections of certified U.S. Ferraris and gray-market imports, on April 10 DOT officials ruled that Ferrari’s non-U.S. market cars are eligible for importation “because they are substantially similar to vehicles originally manufactured for importation into and sale in the United States” and are capable of being “readily modified” to comply with federal standards.
In most cases, using U.S. parts instead of non-U.S. parts could be readily accomplished to meet certification, DOT ruled.
Intricacies in the case went deep, with both sides accusing the other of misleading the government in some instances. For instance, Ferrari said non-U.S. 550 Maranellos lacked door beams required under federal crash standards. Ferrari maintained that importers would have to remove the exterior door skin to properly weld a steel bar into place that is already factory-installed in U.S.-spec models. DOT investigators determined the door beams were installed during the manufacture of U.S. and non-U.S. models, but Ferrari noted that importers provided a 550 Barchetta for comparison with a Maranello.
The Barchetta is fitted with door beams for all markets to provide structural strength for the roofless model, Ferrari said. Importers agreed to install U.S.-spec doors on cars without the bars.
The battle seems over for now, and importers are anxious to get to work on customers’ cars that have been in storage limbo, some since last spring. Importers estimate that dozens of cars have been on hold in the United States and Europe, awaiting the DOT ruling.
“It’s not a victory over Ferrari, it’s a victory for everybody—Ferrari, the importers and the customers,” said importer Dick Fritz of Amerispec. Fritz said consumers get more cars at better prices, while Ferrari learns the strength of the market, which may lead to additional production for the States. Ferrari still says significant differences exist, and that the cars can’t be readily modified for the States. Ferrari also says the DOT process was a win because importers agreed to make far more modifications than they had originally proposed. As for more availability, Ehoodin said Ferrari has no desire to increase build capacity beyond its current 4000 or so cars per year, no matter what U.S. demand might be.
April 24:
Despite a memo urging dealers to “monitor” gray market 2001 model year 360 and 550 Ferraris for compliance with federal mandates issued earlier this month, Ferrari says it doesn’t expect dealers to disassemble customer cars to verify that compliance. Some dealers read that directive into an April 10 memo asking them to examine gray market cars and “notify us if you believe that the car does not meet U.S. specifications.”
Ferrari North America spokesman Jeffrey Ehoodin said the point-by-point list of requirements was purely informational and not intended as an inspection order. “We’re not telling people to take apart cars,” he said.
Incidentally, the memo also reminds dealers that as of October 2000, non-U.S. spec cars do not carry a U.S. warranty.
A nearly yearlong squabble between gray-market importers and Ferrari of North America on its supercars is over—at least as it relates to 2001 model Ferrari 360s and 550 Maranellos.
“I’m looking forward to my first paycheck in 11 months,” said Lois Joyeusaz, CEO of J.K. Technologies. The Baltimore importer has been at the forefront of a battle with Ferrari to win U.S. Department of Transportation permission to import non-U.S.-spec 360s and 550s to the States.
Since last summer, Ferrari has argued against the importation of the non-U.S.-spec cars on grounds that the cars were substantially different than those Ferrari imports to the U.S. market—so different that importers could not readily modify them to meet U.S. standards. Ferrari’s uncharacteristically hard line took gray-market importers by surprise, because the company had rarely voiced objections to the imports in the past.
“We’ve taken the stance from the beginning that we are the protectors of the marque,” said Ferrari North America spokesman Jeff Ehoodin.
After months of bureaucratic wrangling, followed by on-site inspections of certified U.S. Ferraris and gray-market imports, on April 10 DOT officials ruled that Ferrari’s non-U.S. market cars are eligible for importation “because they are substantially similar to vehicles originally manufactured for importation into and sale in the United States” and are capable of being “readily modified” to comply with federal standards.
In most cases, using U.S. parts instead of non-U.S. parts could be readily accomplished to meet certification, DOT ruled.
Intricacies in the case went deep, with both sides accusing the other of misleading the government in some instances. For instance, Ferrari said non-U.S. 550 Maranellos lacked door beams required under federal crash standards. Ferrari maintained that importers would have to remove the exterior door skin to properly weld a steel bar into place that is already factory-installed in U.S.-spec models. DOT investigators determined the door beams were installed during the manufacture of U.S. and non-U.S. models, but Ferrari noted that importers provided a 550 Barchetta for comparison with a Maranello.
The Barchetta is fitted with door beams for all markets to provide structural strength for the roofless model, Ferrari said. Importers agreed to install U.S.-spec doors on cars without the bars.
The battle seems over for now, and importers are anxious to get to work on customers’ cars that have been in storage limbo, some since last spring. Importers estimate that dozens of cars have been on hold in the United States and Europe, awaiting the DOT ruling.
“It’s not a victory over Ferrari, it’s a victory for everybody—Ferrari, the importers and the customers,” said importer Dick Fritz of Amerispec. Fritz said consumers get more cars at better prices, while Ferrari learns the strength of the market, which may lead to additional production for the States. Ferrari still says significant differences exist, and that the cars can’t be readily modified for the States. Ferrari also says the DOT process was a win because importers agreed to make far more modifications than they had originally proposed. As for more availability, Ehoodin said Ferrari has no desire to increase build capacity beyond its current 4000 or so cars per year, no matter what U.S. demand might be.
April 24:
Despite a memo urging dealers to “monitor” gray market 2001 model year 360 and 550 Ferraris for compliance with federal mandates issued earlier this month, Ferrari says it doesn’t expect dealers to disassemble customer cars to verify that compliance. Some dealers read that directive into an April 10 memo asking them to examine gray market cars and “notify us if you believe that the car does not meet U.S. specifications.”
Ferrari North America spokesman Jeffrey Ehoodin said the point-by-point list of requirements was purely informational and not intended as an inspection order. “We’re not telling people to take apart cars,” he said.
Incidentally, the memo also reminds dealers that as of October 2000, non-U.S. spec cars do not carry a U.S. warranty.
From what I understand, driving a Ferrari without a warranty is just asking for punishment.
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NetViper -= 100% Stock EBP 2000 Civic Si =- Still looking to get an NSX, but at least I can live life at 8,000 RPM!
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NetViper -= 100% Stock EBP 2000 Civic Si =- Still looking to get an NSX, but at least I can live life at 8,000 RPM!
This car reminds me of the cars in that cartoon Speed Racer. I think it is the front comes to a quasi point that gives me this impression.
It does not have the soft beautiful lines of a Modena but it is awsome looking for sure.
It does not have the soft beautiful lines of a Modena but it is awsome looking for sure.
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· Ferrari problems:
· The F60 isn’t slim enough
· The F60 is too heavy
· The F60 is too slow
THE COMMING FERRARI F60 is trying to outbreak the Ultimate Supercar through all times, the McLaren F1 streetcar, Gordon Murrays brilliant 3-seater midengine car with 550 bhp 12-cyl. BMW V-engine. The McLaren F1 was the most advanced, the fastest, the most refined, and the most expensive. But one day the car will be overtaken – and if any one in the Sports Car Universe can do that it is Ferrari.
Next to Murray no one knows the McLaren better as racing driver, Le Mans winning John Nielsen. He was manager in charge of testing and development of the F1 –and he personally test drove each and every car.
SCT: “John, what do you think about the design of the Ferrari F60?”
JN: “I am surprised, first of all the new Ferrari doesn’t look slim enough, and by no means as slim the McLaren.”
SCT: “Are you happy with the kerbweight of 1200 kg of the car?”
JN: “No, remember, the McLaren is much lighter, just one ton. The Ferrari is more powerful, 650 bhp compared to 550 bhp which results in the same power-to-weight, but still the Ferrari is heavier.”
SCT: “Talking about output and then top speed, Ferrari informs us the F60 will do 205 mhp (328 km/h) – “or more” as the Italians say!”
JN: “Yes, I am surprised, remember, the McLaren did more than 240 mhp (385 km/h), and that is one reason the F60 will never have the chance to overtake the McLaren as the Absolute Supercar. If the Ferrari does 205 with 650 bhp it takes much more than 50 or even 100 more bhp to get close to McLaren. Remember, it’s the speed above 220 that is the difficult speed. And if Ferrari is cheating with the top speed – 205 mph is not much to a car of this car – it still has to overtake the even stronger McLaren, the in every way street legal McLaren GTR.”
Ferrari F60 versus McLaren F1
· CONCEPT: 2-seater coupe versus 3-seater coupe
· TECH DESIGN: Midengine, rear-wheel versus midengine, rear-wheel
· ENGINE: V12 versus V12
· OUTPUT: 650 bhp versus 550 bhp
· TORQUE: n.a. versus 600 Nm
· KERBWEIGHT: 1200 kg versus 1000 kg
· POWER TO WEIGHT: 1.8 kg to 1 bhp versus 1.8 kg to 1 bhp
· 0-100: 3.2 sec. versus 3.5 sec.
· TOP SPEED: 328 km/h versus 386 km/h
· PRICE: £350.000 versus £545.000
· The F60 isn’t slim enough
· The F60 is too heavy
· The F60 is too slow
THE COMMING FERRARI F60 is trying to outbreak the Ultimate Supercar through all times, the McLaren F1 streetcar, Gordon Murrays brilliant 3-seater midengine car with 550 bhp 12-cyl. BMW V-engine. The McLaren F1 was the most advanced, the fastest, the most refined, and the most expensive. But one day the car will be overtaken – and if any one in the Sports Car Universe can do that it is Ferrari.
Next to Murray no one knows the McLaren better as racing driver, Le Mans winning John Nielsen. He was manager in charge of testing and development of the F1 –and he personally test drove each and every car.
SCT: “John, what do you think about the design of the Ferrari F60?”
JN: “I am surprised, first of all the new Ferrari doesn’t look slim enough, and by no means as slim the McLaren.”
SCT: “Are you happy with the kerbweight of 1200 kg of the car?”
JN: “No, remember, the McLaren is much lighter, just one ton. The Ferrari is more powerful, 650 bhp compared to 550 bhp which results in the same power-to-weight, but still the Ferrari is heavier.”
SCT: “Talking about output and then top speed, Ferrari informs us the F60 will do 205 mhp (328 km/h) – “or more” as the Italians say!”
JN: “Yes, I am surprised, remember, the McLaren did more than 240 mhp (385 km/h), and that is one reason the F60 will never have the chance to overtake the McLaren as the Absolute Supercar. If the Ferrari does 205 with 650 bhp it takes much more than 50 or even 100 more bhp to get close to McLaren. Remember, it’s the speed above 220 that is the difficult speed. And if Ferrari is cheating with the top speed – 205 mph is not much to a car of this car – it still has to overtake the even stronger McLaren, the in every way street legal McLaren GTR.”
Ferrari F60 versus McLaren F1
· CONCEPT: 2-seater coupe versus 3-seater coupe
· TECH DESIGN: Midengine, rear-wheel versus midengine, rear-wheel
· ENGINE: V12 versus V12
· OUTPUT: 650 bhp versus 550 bhp
· TORQUE: n.a. versus 600 Nm
· KERBWEIGHT: 1200 kg versus 1000 kg
· POWER TO WEIGHT: 1.8 kg to 1 bhp versus 1.8 kg to 1 bhp
· 0-100: 3.2 sec. versus 3.5 sec.
· TOP SPEED: 328 km/h versus 386 km/h
· PRICE: £350.000 versus £545.000
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