Fake TE37 that looks good

[Oyagi]

i know there is a difference but I did not think as much ! within 215 and 225 on 8'

thanks a lot for explication ! :wink:

i will buy 215/35/18

when i searched what tire size i will buy, i have seen this picture

Volk Racing CE28N18x8, +38 and 19x9.5, +36.
Toyo Proxes T1R 275 30 R19, 225 35 R18

but effectively if the guy have fixed camber kit ...
this is not the same think

OMG that car is hawt!!!

 

[ForceFed]

Hmmm not sure how a high schooler affords a 30K plus car unless mommy and daddy buy your shit for you. College I could see, bought mine when I was 21...

 

[Caustic]

Why the hell NOT? I drove an Nsx in College. Dude NSX isnt a out of reach car. Its just a car and only cost $20-40k to obtain. So why would a college or even high school Not have a nsx or viper or vette?? they all can be had used for less than $30-40k
And yes, I will buy replica rims,
as I dont know Ray or Care how rich Rays products make him. I go through rims from getting bents from pot holes etc, every year. So something cheaper to replace is something I have to keep in mind.
My main concern is looks than the weight and the strength of the wheels. I can give a rats arse about if Who Makes them. If I wanna throw away money on name brands I ll go buy another pair of Gucci shoes for $500 or add few more shoes to my 100 shoes collection or get clothes than to spend it on wheels I throw away almost every year. I m on my 4th set in 5 years.
Knock off wheels are great for people on a budget and people who dont Feel the Need to spend more than they think they want to spend. Like someone said before if ray cant compete with knock off maybe they should make thier wheels better priced to compete. Eitherway to me aslong as you are NOT telling people its real or its volks when they arent than its just fine. Now if you are putting Volks stickers on your Vaer torrs, Now thats just wrong as you are just posing...

If you are tossing away a set of wheels every year, maybe its the quality of wheel you are buying?

You are spending thousands of dollars upgrading your car in various ways, but you want to cheap out on the rims? Honestly, many if not most NSX owners or high end car owners will know exactly what they are, knockoffs. It makes the car look chintzy and cheap.

Not to mention the fact that the wheels are the closest to your connection to the ground aside from the tire. I wouldn't put my sportscar with newly upgraded horse, transmission and suspension on low quality wheels. But hey, its your ride. Enjoy.

 

[baynsac]

Plain And Simple It's YOUR car do As You Please with it. I don't care what others think or if they know it's a replica. I have over 50 pairs of just original Jordans. I see people wear fakes all the time, I NEVER would wear replica Jordans but those wearing them don't seem to mind, so I don't put them down for their choice. The way I look at it is if he's happy with them than WTF does it matter what I think
I paid $7k for rims n tires when I was 22 yrs old for some 24s when they first came out n 2 years later every 24' rim seemed to be under $3k. And made me feel like an idiot that I paid twice as much. If it makes you feel better that You have Brand name Rims than You should Definetly get them. For now I am worried about the name brand. Looks weight is the only main concerns For ME.

 

[N Spec]

If you are tossing away a set of wheels every year, maybe its the quality of wheel you are buying?

You are spending thousands of dollars upgrading your car in various ways, but you want to cheap out on the rims? Honestly, many if not most NSX owners or high end car owners will know exactly what they are, knockoffs. It makes the car look chintzy and cheap.

Not to mention the fact that the wheels are the closest to your connection to the ground aside from the tire. I wouldn't put my sportscar with newly upgraded horse, transmission and suspension on low quality wheels. But hey, its your ride. Enjoy.

The market is so saturated and there's all of this hype about forged lightweight wheels being the number one reason why these companies can charge $500-$1000 per wheel. I say, if it will help you sleep better at night knowing you have a 16 lb wheel then by all means dish out $2000 just for some rims. The majority of buyers (probably something like 75% or more) for these wheels would never reap the benefit of the weight these wheel saves. I'm not knocking anyone's ride, some people have to have the BEST, and I respect that even if the best usually does not always justify the cost.

I agree with Baynsac to some degree. There is nothing wrong with knockoffs as long as you are not a POSER. But I am more of a looks over cost and weights kind of guy too. In fact there are cheap wheels that do not look cheap, but they are cheap because they weigh a bit heavier! A heavier 20ish lb cast rim is not going destroy performance or is considered unsafe. Tell that to Nissan and pretty much any new oem wheel on performance cars today AND the 335i that fell victim to my heavy 18/19s when I had them lol. If I were to track my car, then perhaps I would invest in some forged, expensive rims. Even though I've had no damage issues with my inexpensive wheels as far as curbing or bending and I daily drive! So I will say the quality of the cheap wheels have held up fine for me. I've heard more stories about really light/forged wheels getting bent or cracked.

Speaking of which, this thread is so long now and still no pics of any installed on the NSX? lol. My biggest question for Varrstoen and other knockoff companies, is why not slightly change the styling of the rim so that it is not so blatant? I mean, the TE37s are classic and beautiful, but they could look better. Why not take the opportunity as they have the capabilities? I guess they sort of did that by making the spokes a bit more concave, but they could have easily redesigned the spoke to seem more original. Use the big brands as inspiration and not so much as a map...

 

[Caustic]

The market is so saturated and there's all of this hype about forged lightweight wheels being the number one reason why these companies can charge $500-$1000 per wheel.

No, the reason they charge $500-$1000 is because it is expensive to create a design that is both lightweight and strong, that withstand certain tolerances, all the testing involved, then ultimately forge it.

I say, if it will help you sleep better at night knowing you have a 16 lb wheel then by all means dish out $2000 just for some rims. The majority of buyers (probably something like 75% or more) for these wheels would never reap the benefit of the weight these wheel saves. I'm not knocking anyone's ride, some people have to have the BEST, and I respect that even if the best usually does not always justify the cost.

While this is true, this can be applied to almost every modification on the NSX. You think 75% or more of the owners who spend $7000 - $10000 or more to go FI really reap the benefit of going FI? You think its worth it to spend $1600 on headers for a 02 - 05 to gain 5 horse? How about Dunlop Direzza's? How many owners ever push their cars to the limit on those tires?

I agree with Baynsac to some degree. There is nothing wrong with knockoffs as long as you are not a POSER. But I am more of a looks over cost and weights kind of guy too. In fact there are cheap wheels that do not look cheap, but they are cheap because they weigh a bit heavier! A heavier 20ish lb cast rim is not going destroy performance or is considered unsafe. Tell that to Nissan and pretty much any new oem wheel on performance cars today AND the 335i that fell victim to my heavy 18/19s when I had them lol. If I were to track my car, then perhaps I would invest in some forged, expensive rims. Even though I've had no damage issues with my inexpensive wheels as far as curbing or bending and I daily drive! So I will say the quality of the cheap wheels have held up fine for me. I've heard more stories about really light/forged wheels getting bent or cracked.

There is a reason why Baynsac goes through a set of rims on a yearly basis. You get what you pay for. I don't hear the majority of Volk owners complaining about bent or cracked rims constantly. But contrary to your last statement, I have seen the results of knockoffs going through a NYC pothole.

People throw the words "brand name" around a lot, not really understanding the product that they are associating it with. This particular brand name was built upon the quality of their wheel for the application it was designed for. These aren't boat anchor HRE's that just look pretty, the TE37's are purpose built. Knocking off those is the very definition of posing.

I struggle to understand why someone would spend $10k - $15k to upgrade their car, then buy knock off wheels because they want to be on the cheap. It makes no sense to me. Those wheels are going to be heavy, will negatively affect the ride, will slow the car down, and may leave you stranded somewhere because they bent or cracked while driving.

Speaking of which, this thread is so long now and still no pics of any installed on the NSX?

I thought someone posted pics of their car with the Vars. I'll see if I can dig it up.

EDIT:
Ok, courtesy of eXcellon. Hope he doesn't mind me linking his car:

His thread:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141705

 

[baynsac]

Caustic- *Do you work for Rays engineering ? How do you know how much it cost them to make these wheels? *I bet they are marked up 100-500% of the cost it takes to make them. *Especially when they are Not made in USA. *
Second don't ASSume you know why I go through rims. *
**It's not because they are cheap, it's cause I use to drive like a mad man. * *And I use to beat up my wheels and car like I stole it, and also by not caring enough to move over for potholes, etc. *I mean I've put them really through it.
No brand name or replica would of lasted long they way I use to drive.. *
Plus the $7,000 24' where big brand name and guess what I cracked on of those rims as well. *My attitude USE To Be, whatever, if I break it, ill just buy another one, and not stress of it Now..

I am not cheap I just don't want to spend money on expensive rims right now. * Why is that so hard for you to understand. * *
Maybe you don't Understand English, *it's My Car I will do As I Please with it.
**If it bothers you soo much buy me a set of Volks so You can feel Better. *

See I am So caring now that I will take your feelings inconsideration If you buy em I Will put em on my car... *

When I feel like spending 3 grand on rims I will. *Till than ima going to argue with people like you who just don't GET it.
**It's Your Car do As you Please with It. *Buy what you want, *do what you want and if other people have a problem with it give them a middle finger and tell them to sit on it. *
Life is too short to care about what Others who Don't matter think. *
** I am looking for 18-19 inch rims so Obviuosly it doesn't matter to me if they weight 4 pounds more than your volks that you paid three times as much for. *If I was concerned with weight and performance I would get a set of 17/18 or Better Yet why go with Heavier Volks when You can stay OEM?? 15/16.*
**Only set of Volks I would pay the retail price for Today is the volks SF challenge in blk. As they look that good to me and the rest of the Volks don't. *Now if I saw a design Volk came out with that I Absolutely loved I will pay whatever to get them...
And till I get those I will Rock some good looking cheaper wheels. **

By the way why do People take unimportant things like cars so seriously. *I mean Nsx is a great car and I love them, but cmon it's ONLY A CAR.

I put spare money in my car that i can spare, *but only comes after living life like I want to $
** Go spend your thousands on Living Life..Like I do. *For me I get *pleasure out of other things like going to superbowl and Probowl in Miami I went to last year. *
Or *the Giants game this Tuesday when they will beat The Phillies at AT&T park. *Yeah GO GIANTS!!! * For**4 tickets I paid 1 grand.
*Or if they make the world Series I would pay $1000 per ticket to go see them n not even hesistate or even think twice about it. *Because if I want it or enjoy it I WILL GET IT. *If it doesn't feel necessary to me to buy I won't till it does, not because some dude on Nsxprime or some JDM kid on the street who *likes it And thinks it's necessary. *
Live *life By Standards You Set, forget trying to Please others. *

 

[Caustic]

Caustic- *Do you work for Rays engineering ? How do you know how much it cost them to make these wheels? *I bet they are marked up 100-500% of the cost it takes to make them. *Especially when they are Not made in USA. *

No, I don't, but anyone that works in any industry knows that 500% markup on anything is a ridiculous statement. I've read enough to know that they do not charge their prices to arbitrarily gouge consumers.

Second don't ASSume you know why I go through rims. *

I didn't assume anything, you stated why in a previous post. My point was that you would get more from your money by buying a quality wheel that has been tested to withstand punishment. Specifically the TE37s which are notoriously strong.

**It's not because they are cheap

That is not what you previously stated. Here is an earlier statement in a previous post:

So something cheaper to replace is something I have to keep in mind.
My main concern is looks than the weight and the strength of the wheels. I can give a rats arse about if Who Makes them. If I wanna throw away money on name brands I ll go buy another pair of Gucci shoes for $500

Knock off wheels are great for people on a budget and people who dont Feel the Need to spend more than they think they want to spend.

I am not cheap I just don't want to spend money on expensive rims right now. * Why is that so hard for you to understand. * *

I never said you were cheap. If you are spending upwards of $10k in upgrades to your car, its obvious you are not.

Maybe you don't Understand English, *it's My Car I will do As I Please with it.

Is this really where we have gotten to now? Ok, I'll bite:

With your grammatical capabilities and reading comprehension, I'm pretty sure you are the one who does not understand english.

When I feel like spending 3 grand on rims I will. *Till than ima going to argue with people like you who just don't GET it.

You are right, I still don't get it. From a proportional standpoint, it makes no sense to me and probably never will.

By the way why do People take unimportant things like cars so seriously. *I mean Nsx is a great car and I love them, but cmon it's ONLY A CAR.

I put spare money in my car that i can spare, *but only comes after living life like I want to $
** Go spend your thousands on Living Life..Like I do. *For me I get *pleasure out of other things like going to superbowl and Probowl in Miami I went to last year. *
Or *the Giants game this Tuesday when they will beat The Phillies at AT&T park. *Yeah GO GIANTS!!! * For**4 tickets I paid 1 grand.
*Or if they make the world Series I would pay $1000 per ticket to go see them n not even hesistate or even think twice about it. *Because if I want it or enjoy it I WILL GET IT. *If it doesn't feel necessary to me to buy I won't till it does, not because some dude on Nsxprime or some JDM kid on the street who *likes it And thinks it's necessary. *
Live *life By Standards You Set, forget trying to Please others. *

Its not that I take it so seriously, the points you made on buying wheels in relation to your upgrades don't seem rational to me.

As for the statements on spending money, I'm not sure what you are trying to prove.


Well that was fun. Its your ride, do with it as you see fit. Enjoy.

 

[baynsac]

Well that was fun. Its your ride, do with it as you see fit. Enjoy.

DING!DING!DING!!!
See, That wasn't that hard now was it ITS MY RIDE SO I WILL DO AS I PLEASE WITH IT. And Guess What?? You can do as you please with yours... Isnt it great, how that works?

 

[BlackWindEXE]

These are great. If I bought these I would definitely tell people they were knockoffs if someone asked. I wouldn't care as long as I get function out of them, which is driving. And I wouldn't feel bad if I damaged them (hopefully I wouldn't).

I did have Racingharts on a previous car and I loved them. They're not as pricey as Rays but they are up there and they lasted a good amount of years. The weight of them turned me off though but I enjoyed the look. Because of this, I'm a much bigger fan of low weight wheels.... for the track at least.

I'm disappointed in the weight but I know that I would like to have a separate set of track wheels (stock wheels) and DD wheels (these)... so I guess it works out in that sense.

3 questions...
1. So these are $1050 for a set?
2. And does the rear caliper have to be shaved or no?
3. What are you guys paying for tires for these?

 

[baynsac]

Dude, I get your point, to You ( and some others) it doesnt make sense why I would spend over $20K in my car now with all the mods in last few years and go cheap on the wheels. Because RIGHT NOW ITS NOT WORTH ME TO UPGRADE IT. Tommorow it might be different. But I will do it WHEN I think its neccassary to do so....

But my point is DONT WORRY ABOUT OTHERS and What they are doing. Worry about Yourself and Whats IMPORTANT TO YOU. Besides that who cares about what we just talked about Did I change your opinion on the subect? No right? You sure didnt change my opinion. So we both just wasted 45 mins.
I m done, you win. Volks or Nothing.....Happy?lol

 

[ediddynsx]

Why would a high schooler/college student be driving an NSX?

I wasn't talking about an NSX.....I meant that it would have been nice if there were nicer looking cheap wheels available back in the day for people in my days in high school and college.....keep in mind I am talking about early 90s....so no way a college or highschool kid could afford the NSX unless they come from a rich family.

I was driving my integra at the time and it would have been nice to have something nice looking wheels for like a few hundred bucks than 1500-2000 for volks for 16s.

16s were the biggest back in the day.....and all the cheap wheels were cheap looking, not like the wheels of today.

 

[N Spec]

Caustic, thanks for the link. It was not explicitly labeled so I guess I missed it. I think they look pretty damn good and serve their purpose for looks.

Anyways, I still don't buy your reasoning for the cost of these expensive rims and the thought that cheap rims do not last. But like I said, had I planned on keeping a set for a really long time and to track, then yes, I definitely would buy a nice forged set, but I would not go all out either. Hey, if you want the best and if you think putting out top dollar equals the best, then by all means. There are plently of people, that have driven on knockoffs or cheap cast rims and the rims survived daily driving for many years of driving. In the small likely hood of you damaging your rim, that usually means $100-$200 for new one and you are on your way. Cry less and drive more. I could not say I'd feel the same way if I damaged my $500 or more rim...

Baynsac, hate to knock you on the statement you made, but the fact of the matter is, you should not be damaging your rims every year! That just sounds like bad driving or not caring for where you are driving. This statement gave Caustic plenty of fuel.

I have owned the NSX almost 3 years and I am on my third set of wheels. This is not because they were cheap and did not last! This is because the rear tires last for about 11,000 miles and I daily drive. I spent a bit over a grand for each set and so I just liquidate the used set after I buy a completely new set. They come mounted and balanced, ready to go so no tire shop hassle and drama. Essentially, all I am paying for are the new tires and service because the used tires are still technically good because they have decently low miles (it's just camber that destroyed the inside rears) and the rims were already cheap to begin with so they do not deprecate much!

So maybe baynsac and I like changing our wheels every so often and we don't want to blow a lot of money doing so. They serve their purpose in function and appeal to our style and visual choice. It's refreshing to see a new wheel on your car, because it changes the looks dramatically and this can be done quickly and safely at an effective cost.

Lol, I'm just trying to be like Angus, eventually, I would like to have multiple set of wheels, both expensive and cheap. Right now, my budget has been on the cheaper side until I find the right set of forge wheels that appeal to my eyes and logic. This is why I have not bought any performance mods for my NSX, because I am saving for FI which is real bang for the buck. You may say people do not reap the benefits for that, but you do more so than the IHE route. You can totally feel the difference with 100 hp or so, it's a totally different car. The extra 10-20 hp if that much from IHE is negligible and not cost efficient enough for me. Even though some of the exhaust out there sounds beautiful for the NSX, I think the sounds of supercharger windup or turbo spooling will be more gratifying....

 

[Hapa88]

This is some pretty good discussion, I'll throw in my experience.

I struggle to understand why someone would spend $10k - $15k to upgrade their car, then buy knock off wheels because they want to be on the cheap. It makes no sense to me. Those wheels are going to be heavy, will negatively affect the ride, will slow the car down, and may leave you stranded somewhere because they bent or cracked while driving.

I've bought a few wheels in my days. I've had two sets of Work Wheels on my NSX a set of 2 piece forged DPEngineering wheels on my Jetta. After it's all said and done, I'm much more satisfied for my purchases of knock-off, inexpensive wheels (and from my latest post of my new wheels, most NSXprimers are too, haha).

Reasons why I like cheap knock-offs
1) Price
2) Quality is generally good enough for the street (maybe not track). Most are JWL and VIA certified just like the real deal.
3) Weight is generally more, but the difference isn't as much as the price would lead you to believe.
4) I don't have to worry as much about them getting stolen, messed up, or curbed. I used to have bad dreams about coming back to my Jetta and it being on blocks, same with my NSX.

Most people who see an NSX on the street don't know one wheel from the other. I would say less than 1% of the population (mostly "tuners" and other NSX owners) that may know one brand from the other. . . so it doesn't matter what wheels are on it. . . brand name or not.

If you're running 18/19 combo on a NSX you're obviously not concerned about performance that much anyway.
1) The 18/19 wheels are heavier by definition.
2) You can't get the best tires (extreme performance) in the NSX specific 18/19 sizes.

Lastly my XXR 522 wheels are VIA & JWL certified just like these Enkei RP-01s

these Advan TCII's

and these Team Dynamics Pro Race 1

How do you determine which wheels "may leave you stranded somewhere because they bent or cracked while driving"?

 

[Caustic]

This is some pretty good discussion, I'll throw in my experience.

Reasons why I like cheap knock-offs
1) Price
2) Quality is generally good enough for the street (maybe not track). Most are JWL and VIA certified just like the real deal.
3) Weight is generally more, but the difference isn't as much as the price would lead you to believe.
4) I don't have to worry as much about them getting stolen, messed up, or curbed. I used to have bad dreams about coming back to my Jetta and it being on blocks, same with my NSX.

Most people who see an NSX on the street don't know one wheel from the other. I would say less than 1% of the population (mostly "tuners" and other NSX owners) that may know one brand from the other. . . so it doesn't matter what wheels are on it. . . brand name or not.

If you're running 18/19 combo on a NSX you're obviously not concerned about performance that much anyway.
1) The 18/19 wheels are heavier by definition.
2) You can't get the best tires (extreme performance) in the NSX specific 18/19 sizes.


How do you determine which wheels "may leave you stranded somewhere because they bent or cracked while driving"?

All of what you say is true. But within the context of why I posted in the first place, it may not apply as well.

If you have already spent $15k - $20k on upgrades to your car to make it better, is $3k that much of an impact? Does quality play a part? If most of what you are upgrading is "go fast" does unsprung weight play a part on speed, suspension, stopping power, etc? On a car with it's security properly handled, when was the last time you have seen a car up on blocks with the wheels missing (honestly)?

In regards to quality, here is a pic:

If you know nothing about NSXs, seeing this you may think, gee, these cars aren't so hot.

Pushing anything past its limits will break it. But would you bet on the quality and endurance of a random knock off over a Volk?

Within the context of why I posted, this analogy may better explain the reason I question the decision to buy a knock off: I feel it's like buying a well tailored Armani suit, then buying a set of Rockports to wear with it.

 

[angus]

If you're running 18/19 combo on a NSX you're obviously not concerned about performance that much anyway.
1) The 18/19 wheels are heavier by definition.
2) You can't get the best tires (extreme performance) in the NSX specific 18/19 sizes.

Exactly. What appreciable difference is 5 lbs per wheel going to make when you are already running a heavy 19" wheel? Probably none that most could really, truly notice especially on the street - and especially in the rear.

The 27 lb rear is still lighter than a lot of other wheels that people run on the NSX.

Like I said, it boils down to personal choice - remember - there are those who say the NSX is a knockoff too... I just saw jay leno say "the NSX is not a supercar" ... jerk -


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[Hapa88]

Like I said, it boils down to personal choice - remember - there are those who say the NSX is a knockoff too... I just saw jay leno say "the NSX is not a supercar" ... jerk -

The NSX IS a knockoff!! :biggrin: Check out this thread and decide for yourself :smile:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2605

Also, I have to agree with Jay on this though. The NSX isn't a supercar. . I would definitely say it's an "exotic", but a not a true supercar.

 

[ForceFed]

Meh, I too wish it came factory with more power. But I dont think just because 20 years later nissan finally built something available state side with some balls that you can discredit the NSX for being a supercar of its time.

Its decent amount of power and handling for its 91 debut was pretty impressive including the overall design. I think if the NSX came back it would hopefully blow the doors off the skyline and probably with less power too haha.

Far as wheels go, I agree with Wil. If your sporting 18/19's odds are you have already chosen form over function and what the hell does it matter if they weigh a bit more.

They look damn good on the above posted NSX. And not all of us can afford to drop 3K on wheels on the fly, especially those purchased that will never be used for their intended use. Dont need forged TE37s that are going to cost a grip just so the car can look pretty on sunday drives and parking in the garage... for that Ill take the fakies :tongue:

I can get a set of weds for 1500$ that weigh almost a pound less per wheel than the TE's

 

[BlackWindEXE]

I would be these or any knockoffs or any cheap rims in smaller sizes just because tires are cheaper :biggrin:.

I could also buy a small wheel for the track... but stock wheels can handle that.

 

[N Spec]

O knows! Not the NSX is not original and exotic/supercar topic! AVOID! LOL

Hey Caustic, you don't give up do you? I admire your adamant principles even if the general consensus in this thread is in fact, you can buy good quality, inexpensive rims and sometimes even lightweight :cough: like Enkei. Nice analogy though, albeit being simplistic... but let me complicate your analogy now since you are bringing name brand into the mix and putting them on a pedestal of money.

Which one is going to appear or look better, a fat guy in the "tailored" Armani suit or a very fit young man in a custom tailored, let's say Dillards bought suit lol? If we were speaking on a pure aesthetic and functional standpoint, and if both of these specimens were perhaps agents working to complete a job, which one would do better? On a not so homosexual note lol, the fit young man with the lesser name brand suit tailored to his physique is going to be more charming and most likely more desireable to the ladies. Atleast until the fat guy pulls out his checking account if he's ballin! and then we shall see where gold diggers will come out lol.

Now let's relate analogies. The fit man is a 91 NSX with some performance mods, replica wheels and some simple visual mods, equating between 10-15 grand worth of mods. The fat guy is a 95 Supra with some top notch parts with about the same invested and the "REAL" Volks lol. Which one would you choose? Me, personally I'd take the NSX, but maybe that's just me. There's always time to get some nice, expensive shoes down the road after you already have the major stuff obtained. The same goes for the gentlemen with the Rockport/Armani combo, atleast he's got the suit haha

 

[synth19]

I'm seriously LOL'ing at all these justification responses from both camps. I hate fake wheels, but I'm not going to bother going into the reasons... this argument is a lost cause on both sides. Just do what you want. I have yet to ever see/read of someone being convinced one way or the other on these types of threads. Bottom line- it's your car!

 

[nsxot1c]

I'm seriously LOL'ing at all these justification responses from both camps. I hate fake wheels, but I'm not going to bother going into the reasons... this argument is a lost cause on both sides. Just do what you want. I have yet to ever see/read of someone being convinced one way or the other on these types of threads. Bottom line- it's your car!

Couldn't have said it better myself!!

Basically just a pissing match, and both parties end up wet in the end...

 

[baynsac]

Couldn't have said it better myself!!

Basically just a pissing match, and both parties end up wet in the end...

I know I feel wet. Lol. Just messing with you. GIANTS WON!!!!! Just left the game, well games Been over, just left the bar. Giants are your next World Series Champs!!!!! Ahaha soon enough...it's Our Year..
see I changed the subject...

 

[ediddynsx]

Go Dodgers! :biggrin:

 

[baynsac]

Go Dodgers! :biggrin:

Yeah Dodgers GO back to sleep till next year:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
Only the best left in Cali GIANTS