Evenly matched - NSX & Cayman S

[CL65 Captain]

Chasing another instructor, Jet in his Cayman S. He was running Khumo XS and I was on Dunlop Z1 Star Specs. He led, I followed, I led he followed.... I would say that the Cayman S and the NSX (modified w JRZs, 600/500 and Dali Track sway bars) are very, very evenly matched.

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[M Baker]

Looks like a safe track - kinda nice having lots of open flat ground instead of trees right next to the track.

 

[ChopsJazz]

Ten year-old NSX (20 yr-old design) vs. virtually new Porsche. :wink:

Good job behind the wheel. Looks like fun.

 

[CL65 Captain]

Ten year-old NSX (20 yr-old design) vs. virtually new Porsche. :wink:

Good job behind the wheel. Looks like fun.

10 year old NSX with JRZs 600/500, Brembo fronts, Dali track 1" front 0.875 rear bars and TiDave's Non-Comp goodies. Stock vs stock, he would have taken me. :wink: Not to mention - the Cayman S is 10x the daily driver. But the NSX looks better doing it on the track.

 

[Hrant]

I thought he was a bit twitchy tracking out - but frankly you did a good job "pressing" him :wink: In better hands, I believe the Cayman S outperforms a moderately tuned NSX.

 

[CL65 Captain]

I thought he was a bit twitchy tracking out - but frankly you did a good job "pressing" him :wink: In better hands, I believe the Cayman S outperforms a moderately tuned NSX.

This is the home track for both Jet and I and we both have LOTS of time here. The only time I have NOT been able to stay with a Cayman S is when they were running Hoosier R6s. :tongue: I still think the Cayman S is closest "competitor" I have to my NSX on the track. GT3s in good hands walk away from me, but I can stay with the Caymans.

 

[docjohn]

why are you still putzing around on street tires?:tongue:

 

[nsxtreme91]

No headers no nothing just 290 hp, right 10 yr old 2000. NSX looking out there good driving and I guess all downshifts heel and toe?

 

[CL65 Captain]

why are you still putzing around on street tires?:tongue:

Because when you do 2-3 events a month and drive 180 miles each way, you go through a set of R comps a month ~ $1k a month + pads + rotors + gas + hotel +++. I spent enough last year on Nitto NT01s that the VISA reward points bought me, what else???? Another set of Nittos.

My Dunlops are lasting me 1/2 the summer + and really they are good enough to chase down cars on R comps and Hoosiers that I really shouldn't be able to catch.

I'll go to Hoosiers when I get a trailer and most importantly can limit myself to 3-4 events a year instead of 12-16. :biggrin:

 

[CL65 Captain]

No headers no nothing just 290 hp, right 10 yr old 2000. NSX looking out there good driving and I guess all downshifts heel and toe?

Stock engine. Only a Tubi exhaust ~ little gain over OEM except for the killer sound. Mods are really only brakes and suspension.

 

[Hrant]

This is the home track for both Jet and I and we both have LOTS of time here. The only time I have NOT been able to stay with a Cayman S is when they were running Hoosier R6s. :tongue: I still think the Cayman S is closest "competitor" I have to my NSX on the track. GT3s in good hands walk away from me, but I can stay with the Caymans.

May indeed be the case. I am just using the reference of what Randy Pobst did at Laguna Seca (presumably) in a stock Cayman S - a 1:43 which is at least some 10+ seconds faster than a stock NSX in a competent driver's hands.

Here at THill, I had a hard time keeping up with one which had supsenion changes; both of us on RA1s too and both with passengers. He must have been a better driver :biggrin:

 

[CL65 Captain]

May indeed be the case. I am just using the reference of what Randy Pobst did at Laguna Seca (presumably) in a stock Cayman S - a 1:43 which is at least some 10+ seconds faster than a stock NSX in a competent driver's hands.

Here at THill, I had a hard time keeping up with one which had supsenion changes; both of us on RA1s too and both with passengers. He must have been a better driver :biggrin:

Randy Pobst is a little more than a "competent driver". :biggrin: I'd expect that he would be faster than me in my own NSX.

All I can tell you is that I've chased a bunch of them and they may be faster, but only marginally. There are three instructors that I see often at Putnam Park, all three very good drivers. The only one that I can't keep up with is Randy and he runs R6s and he still isn't walking away from me. I just can't keep the pace and he will eventually get further and further ahead.

BTW: Details, details.... you said the Cayman S at THill had "suspension changes".

 

[M Baker]

Stock engine. Only a Tubi exhaust ~ little gain over OEM except for the killer sound.

Indeed! I turned up the volume on the video. :smile:

 

[Track Addict]

Stock engine. Only a Tubi exhaust ~ little gain over OEM except for the killer sound. Mods are really only brakes and suspension.

As it should be! i plan on modding my NSX the same way soon.


Very nice lines! and it is still a testament at 10 years old with very few (choice) modifications and great driving the NSX is still a force to reckon with! keep posting videos

 

[Hrant]

BTW: Details, details.... you said the Cayman S at THill had "suspension changes".

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1083839&postcount=16

And see this one:

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1236420&postcount=34

 

[VegasSpeed]

The Cayman is basically Porsche's version of the NSX from its stats. The Porsche does handle better out of the box compared to a stock nsx though. I agree you need some sways and coilovers to compensate for being an older car. I remember the Caymans at my track drive pretty damn well from what I remember. I need to get some noise coilovers next.

 

[docjohn]

Because when you do 2-3 events a month and drive 180 miles each way, you go through a set of R comps a month ~ $1k a month + pads + rotors + gas + hotel +++. I spent enough last year on Nitto NT01s that the VISA reward points bought me, what else???? Another set of Nittos.

My Dunlops are lasting me 1/2 the summer + and really they are good enough to chase down cars on R comps and Hoosiers that I really shouldn't be able to catch.

I'll go to Hoosiers when I get a trailer and most importantly can limit myself to 3-4 events a year instead of 12-16. :biggrin:

hmmmm odd, my ra1 last much longer than that...Back when I used to do 12-15 days per season I used up 2 sets ,these were shaved and heat cycled I used up brakes both rotors and of course pads fairly quickly:redface: putting the nsx to task on a regular basis at long fast heaving braking tracks like watkins,and certain pocono configurations can be the difference.Looks like your tracks have an intermediate "stress" load.

 

[stuntman]

May indeed be the case. I am just using the reference of what Randy Pobst did at Laguna Seca (presumably) in a stock Cayman S - a 1:43 which is at least some 10+ seconds faster than a stock NSX in a competent driver's hands.

Here at THill, I had a hard time keeping up with one which had supsenion changes; both of us on RA1s too and both with passengers. He must have been a better driver :biggrin:

The Cayman S has 235/265 width tires.

Ryan Rush (Ryneen on Prime) did a 1:42.87 with coilovers, comparable sized 235/275 R-compound tires, and STOCK body/wing. Because of this, I believe an NSX with a comparable 'pro' -with 235/265 width street tires (like Yokohama AD08 or Dunlop StarSpecs) and coilovers definitely beating Randy's time. It also might be possible with stock suspension.


Billy

 

[oscar_driver]

Love your drive style, the P guy in the end was a bit tired of you, AWESOME!

 

[Hrant]

The Cayman S has 235/265 width tires.

Ryan Rush (Ryneen on Prime) did a 1:42.87 with coilovers, comparable sized 235/275 R-compound tires, and STOCK body/wing. Because of this, I believe an NSX with a comparable 'pro' -with 235/265 width street tires (like Yokohama AD08 or Dunlop StarSpecs) and coilovers definitely beating Randy's time. It also might be possible with stock suspension.


Billy

Billy, I have $10 that says a stock NSX with whomever you want to be the driver can't beat Randy's time in a "presumably" stock Cayman S. If you can do it with a stock NSX except for 235/265 street tires, I will make that $20.

Your call :tongue:

 

[stuntman]

Billy, I have $10 that says a stock NSX with whomever you want to be the driver can't beat Randy's time in a "presumably" stock Cayman S. If you can do it with a stock NSX except for 235/265 street tires, I will make that $20.

Your call :tongue:

Why are you so skeptical. I'm sure he did that time in a stock car.

The 215/255 tire package of the later NA2 cars probably won't beat Randy's time with the stock Bridgestone tires. Even if you put on the best street tires out there, it will be close, but i'm not sure if it will cut it...

Get me a stock NA2 NSX equipped with 17x8 and 18x9.5 and 235/40-17 and 265/35-18 Yokohama AD08, Dunlop Starspec, or Hankook R3 and i'll take your $20 :wink:

 

[Hrant]

Why are you so skeptical. I'm sure he did that time in a stock car.

The 215/255 tire package of the later NA2 cars probably won't beat Randy's time with the stock Bridgestone tires. Even if you put on the best street tires out there, it will be close, but i'm not sure if it will cut it...

Get me a stock NA2 NSX equipped with 17x8 and 18x9.5 and 235/40-17 and 265/35-18 Yokohama AD08, Dunlop Starspec, or Hankook R3 and i'll take your $20 :wink:

I am not skeptical at all! But since he had a crew, I just want to make sure when you take the challenge the comparison is to a stock Cayman S that did 1:43 and not "tuned" one since your premise is a stock NSX in the hands of a pro can most likely match this.

Since I am forking the $20, I believe gentleman's rule states the burden of proof is on you to validate that you can match or beat those numbers with a stock NSX in order to get the $20 - I'll compromise on the NA2, but now you are negotiating the type of street tires :wink: ..... hence why I said "presumably" stock (as in tires too) Cayman S.

 

[CL65 Captain]

I'll see the $20 and raise you $20 that Billy can beat Randy's time in both a stock Cayman S and a stock NSX with 235/265s. :biggrin:

Hrant, just because you can't keep up with a stock Cayman S doesn't mean that the rest of us can't too. :biggrin:

BTW: I'm running 215/255 stock size. Now I have to go back and edit a compilation video of ALL the Cayman S's that I have passed. And there are MANY.

 

[Hrant]

Hrant, just because you can't keep up with a stock Cayman S doesn't mean that the rest of us can't too. :biggrin:

LOL! No egos in here; I already confessed:

He must have been a better driver :biggrin:

But I am happy to pay that $20 to witness (and learn) how a pro in a stock NSX can shave 13 seconds off from our putzing times, and be only about 8-10 seconds off of what PD was doing in his 600+ rwhp when he set the track record. I'll even buy the beer :tongue:

 

[CL65 Captain]

hmmmm odd, my ra1 last much longer than that...Back when I used to do 12-15 days per season I used up 2 sets ,these were shaved and heat cycled

Last year I did 16 events (2 or 3 days ea) so that's 32 days + on the track + 360 miles RT each time. Ask Brian (Source1), I was up there having new tires mounted monthly. :frown:

I found a place that has 205/40/17 & 255/40/17 RA1s for $128 F/ $123 R... don't ask me why the rears are so cheap, but that's the online price. So when I wear out the Dunlops I'm going to give the RA1s a shot.