Damn Red Light INtersection Camera Question....

[5inchfatlip]

Was driving a friends car going on a left turn, light turned yellow and I'm pretty sure I was past the crosswalks and couldnt stop, although the flash went off!!!
Looked in the rearview mirror, and there was another car behind, so hopefully it was for him.
My question is can this be fought if it was me? and the ticket will go to the registered owner? how will it be linked to me?
Looked at the DMV Website, and said as long as I'm somewhat in the intersection I should go..... :frown:

 

[docjohn]

If you know that cameras are in use in your region,you may want to think about getting polarized plate covers which make the numbers opaque to view from certain angles.of course you did'nt hear that from me. :wink:

 

[Malibu Rapper]

I thought the traffic cameras take several pictures. One of you before you enter the intersection and the light is red. One after you enter the intersection and the light is again red. Then a shot from the backside of the car.

I haven't gotten one of these tickets but I heard that in each of the pictures you can clearly see your face, the traffic lights, the plates, etc.

Here's some more info and it talks about not being the registered owner.

http://www.lapdonline.org/bldg_safer_comms/prevention/other/automated_enforcement_faq.htm

BTW, those polarized plate covers are illegal and you can get pulled over for having one.

 

[RSO 34]

The ticket will be mailed to the registered owner of the vehicle. If you are not the registered owner, and presumably have not stolen the vehicle, proper etiquette would be to fess up to your friend/family member who loaned you the vehicle and pay the ticket for them. This is a no points ticket because of the inherent problem of identifying the actual driver.

 

[5inchfatlip]

RSO- do you know by any chance if that is the same rule as in California?

 

[RSO 34]

RSO- do you know by any chance if that is the same rule as in California?

Which rule, the issuance to the registered owner or the "no points" infraction policy?

 

[RSO 34]

Since California law requires a "clear photograph of a vehicle's license plate and the driver of the vehicle"(8), cameras must photograph vehicles from the front. Cameras rotate among specially made housings at each monitored intersection approach. Motorists cannot easily distinguish which housings contain cameras and which do not. Camera poles stand several feet back from the traffic signal equipment and typically view no more than four lanes of approach traffic. Inductive loops placed just outside the intersection trigger cameras. Each enforced approach lane contains two successive loops, allowing the enforcement system to calculate the speed of passing vehicles. In San Francisco the vehicle speed must be greater than 24 kilometers per hour (15 miles per hour) to trigger a photograph. Cameras only receive power when the signal is red. Therefore, they can only take photographs when the vehicle is illegally entering the intersection on the red signal. Violators receive a grace period: cameras will not photograph vehicles entering the intersection until after the signal has been red for 0.3 seconds. The camera first photographs the vehicle as it illegally enters the intersection. The camera takes a second photograph when the vehicle is in the center of the intersection, allowing for a clear photo of the driver. The timing of the second photograph depends on the speed of the vehicle and the width of the intersection: the faster the vehicle, the shorter the time between the first and second photographs.

Here is the section of the Vehicle Code of Cailfornia authorizing automated enforcement: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21455_5.htm

 

[jgtcnsx]

ok well i think rso covered this topic :smile:

 

[Joel]

Leonard,

You wouldn't happen to be on the intersection of Harbor and Chapman Ave. in Fullerton when this happened were you? The car in front of me got caught in the intersection and it might have been you.

 

[jlindy]

More and more, I am seeing traffic lights that appear to have cameras on them in St. Louis. However, I do not believe they are operating yet as I have never seen them go off, there is no sign that says they are monitored by cameras, and have not heard of anyone getting a ticket. Are these the same cameras?

 

[SCS2k]

In Arizona, no ticket (court summons) is valid unless delivered by an officer of the court (police officer). If it arrives in the mail, it can be thrown away and unless delivered in person, it becomes invalid after 90 days. Also, if the registered owner is not the driver, then he/she simply has to reply stating that he/she is not the person in the picture (he/she may have to appear in person to do this).

 

[NetViper]

Time to invest in some of this:

http://www.photobuster.com/photo_stop.htm

 

[NeoNSX]

What about revenge?

...or if you've already been flashed, do what many do here in Australia -- go back and vandalise the camera. I see so many intersection cameras with spray paint on the glass housing. It's nice to know other Aussie's are looking out for me.

 

[PoohBEAR]

Freakin Joel gotta burst the bubble!!!! :tongue: Leonard...no worry, it is the guy behind you. Wait 2 weeks....and see. If nothing in the mail, you are home free.

Leonard,

You wouldn't happen to be on the intersection of Harbor and Chapman Ave. in Fullerton when this happened were you? The car in front of me got caught in the intersection and it might have been you.

 

[5inchfatlip]

Joel- nope I was in Montclair..

Pooh- thanks- I'm thinking it wasnt me, according to the DMW rules and whats been posted, there is no way I was in the intersection after the 0.3 sec. I was at least half way through....thanks!

 

[LJSB]

.3 seconds? 3/10ths? Some grace period.

 

[RSO 34]

.3 seconds? 3/10ths? Some grace period.

Actually that is not a bad grace period. Considering that a car travels at the rate of 88 feet per second at 60mph or 1.4667 feet per second per mile an hour, at a city traffic speed of 30 mph your car will travel approximately 13 feet in .3 seconds which will place you well within the intersection at the time of the photo.

 

[Newman]

Wait 2 weeks....and see. If nothing in the mail, you are home free.

I was wondering about that. Is it really '2 weeks' wait time to receive a ticket in the mail? Or is it longer or quicker than that? I'm talking about in California. Just wondering because I know I flew through a few in the past at the last minute and wondered if I would get a ticket from the traffic camera.

Joel- nope I was in Montclair..

Heh, there's only a few in Montclair and two major ones that I can think of (Central/Moreno and Central/Holt). I drive through those everyday and I know I've had some pretty close calls with them but no tickets yet. Also, right now during the last minute Christmas rush (on Central/Moreno), the local police are controling the stop lights manually while they sit at the corner so I don't know if the cameras are still working the same as they would when everything is automated.

 

[ANYTIME]

Time to contact The Ticket Assassin! (hmmm, I said ass twice) :biggrin:

 

[Dave Hardy]

Here's a crazy idea - Don't run red lights.

I have no problem with speeding, but people who run red lights are fair game for road side shootings IMO.