Curtains for the LF-A; Acura supercar next?

[MoreRPMs]

I disagree with you on that as if you look at what cars guys who bought their NSX new are looking at Maserati's , Astons etc. You have to remember that unless they want an Elise what else is 3100 lbs? Just the Z06.

So, with only one car below the $100K price point weighing around that mark, wouldn't Honda be wise and fill that niche rather than try to squeeze into the already heavy (pun intended) 3800+ lbs segment?

I have to tell you I absolutely love the 599 but can't afford it. Honda with this new car will solve my issues with Aston ,Maserati and Ferrari.

I'd rather have the Scuderia over the 4000 pound 599. Different strokes I guess...

See, for me, (in the price point which I can't afford anyway) Honda needs to do more than make just another grand touring machine that's much more reliable than Aston, Maserati, etc.

On your own with that one man! I can't pay $80k for a used car that is about to be two models old once Ferrari updates the F430. I could see if it was a collectible but at this point it's not.

You misunderstood - the 360 has almost no appeal to me, even for a nice '00 clean example. The #1 fact is that its performance falls far below what the 430's successor will deliver. And equally as bad is the potential repair & maintenance issues. That alone makes me cross that option off my list. I'll admit that a red 360 coupe (even one that's 9 years old) would look far better in my garage than a new GTR or Z06.

I don't need Honda to match the GTRs performance but it would be nice and I believe they can. I can't put Honda in the same price bracket as the Nissan as the Nissan is using a much cheaper engine and turbocharging. Plus IMHO the interior of my S2K is nicer.

If they don't match the GTR's performance, then what will the point of the car be - just another heavy 500 hp car, with a nicer interior than Nissan, and much better reliability than the Europeans? Sounds sort of like a lazy, cruise-down-the-boulevard type target buyer. That's why I don't see Honda doing that. "We're in F1, spend hundreds of millions on engines that approach 20,000 RPM, make/made pure cars like the S2000 CR, and NSX-Rs, and all of a sudden let's be Aston, but wayyy more reliable." It's just weak to me.

 

[MoreRPMs]

This new super car will share a engine/platform with the next RL supposedly and SHAWD will be on all the Acura models. They learned that they need to space out the Acura models as far as releasing new product.

It can't be a supercar if it shares its engine or chassis with some mid-level sedan. Hell, it can't even be called exotic if it does either of those things.

 

[WingZ]

So, with only one car below the $100K price point weighing around that mark, wouldn't Honda be wise and fill that niche rather than try to squeeze into the already heavy (pun intended) 3800+ lbs segment?

I'd rather have the Scuderia over the 4000 pound 599. Different strokes I guess...

Well at this point we don't know what it will way as we don't know what materials they'll be using. Scuderas are nice and I wouldn't be made at you for getting one but I have a mid engine already and I'm not looking to replace it anytime soon.

See, for me, (in the price point which I can't afford anyway) Honda needs to do more than make just another grand touring machine that's much more reliable than Aston, Maserati, etc.

Grand touring that crushes a crap load of "sports cars". GT really just means that it's comfortable for all intensive purposes and has room for luggage. The NSX is basically a GT as are most if not all modern sports cars. GT is a really old term from when sports car only had enough room to carry a tie and was very tiny. Also neither the Aston or Maserati will drive like the Honda

You misunderstood - the 360 has almost no appeal to me, even for a nice '00 clean example. The #1 fact is that its performance falls far below what the 430's successor will deliver. And equally as bad is the potential repair & maintenance issues. That alone makes me cross that option off my list. I'll admit that a red 360 coupe (even one that's 9 years old) would look far better in my garage than a new GTR or Z06.

Sorry

If they don't match the GTR's performance, then what will the point of the car be - just another heavy 500 hp car, with a nicer interior than Nissan, and much better reliability than the Europeans? Sounds sort of like a lazy, cruise-down-the-boulevard type target buyer. That's why I don't see Honda doing that. "We're in F1, spend hundreds of millions on engines that approach 20,000 RPM, make/made pure cars like the S2000 CR, and NSX-Rs, and all of a sudden let's be Aston, but wayyy more reliable." It's just weak to me.

See if you know this then you can imagine what this new car will be like. These other cars won't be like the Honda joy we're used to:biggrin:

It can't be a supercar if it shares its engine or chassis with some mid-level sedan. Hell, it can't even be called exotic if it does either of those things.

Numbers are numbers if it has supercar performance ...walks like a duck sounds like duck:wink:

 

[MoreRPMs]

Numbers are numbers if it has supercar performance ...walks like a duck sounds like duck:wink:

I just wish it would quack like the Carrera GT, tip the scales around the Zonda's, and share dimensions with the Big Mac or Enzo. :biggrin:

 

[WingZ]

I just wish it would quack like the Carrera GT, tip the scales around the Zonda's, and share dimensions with the Big Mac or Enzo. :biggrin:

I'm gonna let Honda be Honda and can't wait to drive it.

 

[WingZ]

For those who keep talking about the GTRs $69k sticker as a sticking point
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/05/nissan-raises-gt-r-msrp-by-nearly-7-000/

 

[6spdterror]

For those who keep talking about the GTRs $69k sticker as a sticking point
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/05/nissan-raises-gt-r-msrp-by-nearly-7-000/

I actually saw that on insideline yesterday. Doesnt surprise me at all. They claim it's because the price of raw materials went up since they announced pricing a year ago. Seems shady to me though. Even if the prices went up i still don't think it justifies a 10% increase.

 

[BD]

I actually saw that on insideline yesterday. Doesnt surprise me at all. They claim it's because the price of raw materials went up since they announced pricing a year ago. Seems shady to me though. Even if the prices went up i still don't think it justifies a 10% increase.

Wow, they're doing that already after how many month? lol

 

[6spdterror]

Wow, they're doing that already after how many month? lol

I think they showed the world the bargain basement price to create even more hype knowing fully well that they would increase it later.
Something tells me Nissan is selling this car at a loss

 

[WingZ]

I think they showed the world the bargain basement price to create even more hype knowing fully well that they would increase it later.
Something tells me Nissan is selling this car at a loss

Naw one look at that interior shows they're selling it at the right price:wink:

 

[6spdterror]

Naw one look at that interior shows they're selling it at the right price:wink:

LMAO!!! Nissan's are known for their "plasticy", cheap looking and feeling, bland interiors.

 

[BD]

I think they showed the world the bargain basement price to create even more hype knowing fully well that they would increase it later.
Something tells me Nissan is selling this car at a loss

That car has a huge margin.

When the MSRP was set a year ago, they probably didn't anticipate the tanking US dollar.

This time next year, it will be $80k, the year after that, $90k, so by the time the Spec V comes out, it will sound cheap at $120k.

 

[WingZ]

LMAO!!! Nissan's are known for their "plasticy", cheap looking and feeling, bland interiors.

Wasn't always that way. I used to be a Nissan guy until their dealer service and customer service got really bad , but the Z32 interior is much nicer than the GTR.

That car has a huge margin.

When the MSRP was set a year ago, they probably didn't anticipate the tanking US dollar.

This time next year, it will be $80k, the year after that, $90k, so by the time the Spec V comes out, it will sound cheap at $120k.

Well performance wise it would still be priced competitively and dealers are basically marking them up to the $90k mark anyway.

 

[gtr]

Wasn't always that way. I used to be a Nissan guy until their dealer service and customer service got really bad , but the Z32 interior is much nicer than the GTR.

The GT-R is an awesome car and the interior is awesome and modern but I have to agree with you that the nissan dealers are bad. I'll find out soon i guess.

 

[WingZ]

The GT-R is an awesome car and the interior is awesome and modern but I have to agree with you that the nissan dealers are bad. I'll find out soon i guess.

Fingers crossed for you man hopefully they'll be good to you GTR guys.

 

[MAJOR STONER]

I wonder if this whole thing is just a marketing ploy, too many pictures and photos of the concept/test mules, and too little information.

No sightings of any test cars except in Germany, and why was the escort vehicle, in the first "staged" video, a Mercedes minivan and not a Honda?

Cylinder deactivation is good for 1 mpg on the 2009 Pilot, nothing "green" to boast about. How much can Honda charge for a Ridgeline with the V10, or even an V10 Acura RL?

 

[johnnymo]

I wonder if this whole thing is just a marketing ploy, too many pictures and photos of the concept/test mules, and too little information.

No sightings of any test cars except in Germany, and why was the escort vehicle, in the first "staged" video, a Mercedes minivan and not a Honda?

Cylinder deactivation is good for 1 mpg on the 2009 Pilot, nothing "green" to boast about. How much can Honda charge for a Ridgeline with the V10, or even an V10 Acura RL?

Honda has always been very secretive about their prototypes. I wouldn't be surprised if the final version of this Proto looks different from the version we see testing now, as they have a habit of really uglifying the prototypes. Prior to the modern Nurburgring pissing matches, Honda would have conducted all of this testing and tuning at private sessions either in secret at Tochigi or at a closed session at a place like Suzuka, like they did with the NSX. As per current practices for Acura, as the car nears production and more road testing is done, they'll take it out on the road at night first then shoot it around the HQ's such as Torrance. You'll see some camera phone shots then.

Don't sweat the escort vehicle make/model. I remember in the 80's, the wackjob engineers at Porsche used to use a modified VW Vanagon with a Carrera motor stuffed into it to keep up with their test cars when high temp testing in North Africa. The Merc van probably carries a LOT more testing crap/tires/etc. than an Odyssey ever could, even stripped.

As far as I know, cylinder deactivation saves more on larger displacement motors due to the larger "pumping loss" of moving the larger mass of internal componentry through much less than full WOT operation. Expect it to save about 20% on something like the V-10.

Cheers,
John

 

[1SICKLEX]

The LF-A is still a go. :smile:
It will be a huge halo car as Lexus continues to expand its "F" lineup...


A LS 460 "F-sport' will come next fall. Not a LS-F but with a bodykit, bigger wheels, brakes and suspension bits.

On the flipside the HS 250, "hybrid sedan" debuts in January....I-4 with hybrid power, good for 30s MPG.

 

[WingZ]

The LF-A is still a go. :smile:
It will be a huge halo car as Lexus continues to expand its "F" lineup...


A LS 460 "F-sport' will come next fall. Not a LS-F but with a bodykit, bigger wheels, brakes and suspension bits.

On the flipside the HS 250, "hybrid sedan" debuts in January....I-4 with hybrid power, good for 30s MPG.

Really whats your source?

 

[1SICKLEX]

Really whats your source?

"People know me":biggrin:

 

[WingZ]

"People know me":biggrin:

LOL Ok as long as your credible:wink: