Can the OEM seats be lowered?

Interesting and informative thread as I also have this trouble at 6'3". I have only five track days, two at Mid Ohio following NSXPO 2007 where I had to have the T roof panel in place, and three at Gingerman (Michigan) where they allow me to run with T roof off.
T roof panel on I am in horrible driving position and very uncomfortable (chiropractic attention needed between run group!). T roof off awesome but I do not conform to the "broomstick rule."
There seems something intrinsically wrong with ripping the bottom seat bolster out of a 2004 Imola NSX in beautiful condition - so just can't do it.
Pruhnke, interesting what you have discovered because I wondered if a custom seat/rails would get me the two inches (or more) required.
 
There seems something intrinsically wrong with ripping the bottom seat bolster out of a 2004 Imola NSX in beautiful condition - so just can't do it.

You're not "ripping out" anything. It is held in by clips, and it goes back in with clips. Once back in properly you can never even tell it was removed. What Pruhnke found out the hard way, I already said:

The OEM seat is AS LOW AS YOU CAN GET with its shell. It is ON THE CARPET, you guys should stop listening to marketing that says you can go lower. You cannot. What makes the OEM seat "higher" is 3-4 inches of cushion. Remove that and you drop as much as anything aftermarket can give you.

The other marketing hype is on weight... the OEM seat is a thin aluminum shell cut like swiss cheese. The weight is in the rails. People spend thousands because they think the OEM seat is heavy, then they put those same or similar rails on the aftermarket seat and they are pretty much where they started. If you want to save weight, you must change the rails. This weight is also low center of gravity and in the center of the car so not all that critical.

Alum04org, there is no way I would run on the track with the targa off and with my head sticking out just so I don't remove clips on my 04. I think you are playing a dangerous game. A lot of things can enter the cabin with the top off, nevermind the obvious "your head is sticking out."
 
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I agree and what about the chassis flex?
The only way seats like recaro are a little lower is of less padding in the cushion.
I take my cushion out all the time, like turbo says it's just four buttons holding it on at the front of the seat.
It's made to be removed easily.
 
Also when you install a thin cushion (I got mine from a member here "climberao" that makes a cloth one for a lot less money than Dali and you actually will get your product, you can PM him).... the bottom bolsters now sit up higher on your thighs because your ass is lower. So you also get a bit more "hold". I used to think getting tossed around was a seat issue. It isn't. It's a belt issue. a 5-6 point harness and the stock seat will hold you in as tight as you'd want to be. The stock seat is actually a VERY well built seat. I think most people change mainly for the bling factor.
 
I'm a little confused when it comes to 5 or 6 point harnesses.
I've read that without a roll cage they can be dangerous in the event of a roll over but i want to be firmly locked in place when tracking my car.

Ive heard that 4 point harnesses can offer some protection by letting you submarine when the roof comes in but for that reason they are dangerous in different types of accidents.

Maybe getting a 5 point harness and keep the car on the black stuff is the answer.
Still confused:confused:
 
I'm a little confused when it comes to 5 or 6 point harnesses.
I've read that without a roll cage they can be dangerous in the event of a roll over but i want to be firmly locked in place when tracking my car.

Ive heard that 4 point harnesses can offer some protection by letting you submarine when the roof comes in but for that reason they are dangerous in different types of accidents.

Maybe getting a 5 point harness and keep the car on the black stuff is the answer.
Still confused:confused:

you really need the antisub belt to hold the other belts low around your pelvis.Without it the belts will ride up onto your abdomen restricting breathing and would do more damage if you got into a bad shunt.Again all of this is a personal risk reward decision that each of us will make.I use a 5 point with stock seats and no cage in my 96 with the roof on of course.
 
I started many threads on this, you can search like docjohn suggested, most are about rollbars and are in the track section.

What it comes down to is everything is a risk, there is no clear answer but some setups are definitely safer than others.

A standard 3 point belt is actually quite poor. You can watch crash videos and the human body is all over the place. Arms and legs flailing, belt stretches a lot and torso flies very far forward. You are going to get tossed around the cabin like a rag doll. If your arms leave the cockpit (which they certainly will with the targa off), you can be what the pros affectionately call "de-gloved". Your hand will be severed, and john@microsoft knew someone personally this happened to at a track event.

A harness holds you in a lot better. Some will argue, but my personal opinion is that even a 4 point is much safer than a 3. The new Audi R8 GT V10 comes with 4 points from the factory. A 5 or 6 of course is the safest, properly installed in any kind of accident except a rollover with an impact severe enough to cave in the roof.

The B-Pillar on the NSX (and especially in the T) is extremely strong. Chances of that caving in is very small, probably 98% of accidents will not be like that. So in that high percentage, you are IMO, better off with a harness. In that small percentage where you roll and the roof caves in you may suffer a Severe/fatal injury. An NSX is very low, its center of gravity is low, and if you lower it, chances of a rollover are small. Then chances of a rollover where the roof caves in are even smaller than that.

I feel you are better off with a harness than without one. Properly installed. You don't want to be a projectile in the cabin. In side impacts the front airbag won't do much for you at all. A harness will.

To have that extra level of safety, the car needs a proper rollbar. If you get into a cage, you will have issues on the street in accidents as your skull can crack on the bars. A rollbar, being behind you is OK. That will add extra strength to the B-Pillar and even a rollover becomes less of an issue.

I've only seen one proper rollbar for the NSX. The Comptech. A proper rollbar needs points of attachment fore or aft, not just be a "hoop". The aft points would be the rear strut towers, for that the worst thing is the rear glass has to be replaced with lexan. Now you have really altered the car. The front points are down low near the front edge of the doors where the speakers are. This is the route Comptech took. This is still not approved by many racing bodies, but we are talking basic safety not competition regulations.

STMPO actually designed a rollbar for me but it was never finished, Ross and I will probably revisit the issue next spring. This is a summary but there is a lot more detail in my threads.
 
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Comptech NSX bar. The sides are removable, but that probably kills some rigidity and it is VERY heavy. No longer made.

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I bought my nsx for mainly something i could track with the occasional street cruise.
Yet being almost 6 4' i find that the experince is being diminished due to the fact i'm too tall for the car.
Even with the dali cushion i find that i need more head room.
Sitting on the floor is not an option i like.
I can think of two ways of maybe getting a seat to mount lower and would like any opinions on these idea's.

1. take out the carpet and underlay under the driver's seat and bolt a bottom mounted race seat to the floor.

2. Lower the floor pan and crossmembers attached to the seat mount points.

Option two obviously would be more expensive and achieve the lowest seating position but would it be safe?

Any help on this would be appreciated
Cheers
 
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Have you followed frasier's build (f1acr)? see how he lowered the floorpan?

What you are describing though is a real problem because a track car is not a good street car and vice versa. Having a dual purpose car is really expensive and really risky and good for neither. Ask me how I know... my decision has been to keep the car OFF he track as much as possible and continue to track in a dedicated track car to improve my skills. I have looked into a Miata. I may still take the NSX on the track for a few laps once in a while for fun, but that's it. I'd think about it more if I didn't own such an expensive NSX.

You are really flying by the seat of your pants if you use the car mainly on the track with the car stock. You should theoretically have a cage, 6 points, head and neck restraint, and a fire supression system, net, removable wheel.

Have you tried a different helmet? You must have a really tall torso, but if you are 6'4" the NSX is not a great track car for you. I hate to say that, but it is true. Liquid sold his NSX and bought a Z06 and this was a main reason, and he is 6' or 6'1" I think.
 
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I have long legs and a long torso and a long ......:wink:.
My main goal is just to sit alot lower and if welding in a new floor pan will will accomplish that then i may seriously consider it.
I'm not trying to turn the car into a race car.
I will never sell the car either, i will have this one for life if i have anything to do with it.
That's why i don't mind completly modifying the car to suit me.
i've gave Frazer a pm and will wait for his response.
Cheers turbo
 
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Yeah but he's a wiki and you're an Ausie, he may not like you... LOL... but at least you guys can understand each other's screwed up English.

Do you fit OK without a helmet?
 
I can just fit without a helmut but it does'nt feel right.
If i was any taller i think it would'nt work but if i drop an inch from seat mod and 2 inches from floor pan mod i would be in heaven.
Also another problem is i have to recline the seat right back to get headroom and this may limit me getting a harness bar.
Dropping the floor pan would open up alot more options for me.

I can't understand what those crazy kiwi's are talking about myself. lol
Hope Frazer does'nt read this.
 
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