Calling CO folks, considering relocating to Ft Collins

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As the title states, I am in the process of checking out some towns and smaller cities to move to and Ft Collins is on my list. In fact, I am flying out tomorrow to check it out and will be there until Saturday. Any feedback, good or bad, would be appreciated. Would be happy to meet with you while I am there if anyone lives in the area. Thanks in advance! :biggrin:
 
It's a great place to live, with some of the best driving roads right in your back yard. Ft. Collins is consistently rated one of the best medium size cities to live in, I think it was ranked #1 this year in one of the articles I read. Send a pm to prime user Latzke, he lives there and could help answer any specific questions you may have.

Another bonus would be having another NSX in the state, the downside being you lose approximately 20% of your power due to the altitude, but well worth it.

Will
 
Of all the cities in Colorado, I liked Boulder and Ft. Collins the most. Hands down, no doubt.

Oh CLEAR BRA AS MUCH OF YOUR CAR AS POSSIBLE. It's rock chip hell in colorado, they suck at sweeping up the sand and rocks after winter. I don't think they even sweep at all......
 
I lived there for a year, my good buddy Latzke (member here) lives there. It's growing pretty quickly, but most of the front range in Colorado is. The biggest downside is the liberal political environment in the community. I would recommend staying out of Denver for a variety of reasons. Might want to look at Colorado Springs as well, its similar to Ft. Collins in some ways, but much larger.
 
I think the C-springs politicians and big wigs in their law enforcement are really corrupt though. That's just me, and part of a conspiracy theory I have building up. Bottomline, C-springs does not take care of their people/tax payers. But I'll just keep that at that. Not a political debate.

Can't go wrong with Ft. Collins. I'd love to live there.
 
The colorado springs police department has some corruption problems, I personally know the sheriff and undersheriff of El Paso County and they are both stand up individuals with integrity.

In terms of "taking care" of tax-payers I personally don't want anyone to take care of me other than myself, most people in Colorado Springs feel that way. Certainly if you want more of a socialist mindset then Ft. Collins and Boulder would probably better suit you.
 
cmarsh90 said:
The colorado springs police department has some corruption problems, I personally know the sheriff and undersheriff of El Paso County and they are both stand up individuals with integrity.

In terms of "taking care" of tax-payers I personally don't want anyone to take care of me other than myself, most people in Colorado Springs feel that way. Certainly if you want more of a socialist mindset then Ft. Collins and Boulder would probably better suit you.

I just meant simple things like, taking care of the roads for example.
 
"I just meant simple things like, taking care of the roads for example."

We passed a 1% increase in sales tax in November 2004 for the express purpose of road maintenance and improvement. I personally opposed the measure, but the voters approved it. In my opinion our roads here are in very good condition.
 
Thanks for your help guys.

Regarding rocks on the road, we have the same problem here in AZ except that ours just get blown onto the road from high winds and no shoulders.

Regarding the political climate, one of the reasons I am interested in FC is that it is a college town and usually the population around colleges is more liberal which is what I am looking for. I probably wouldn't like a lot of other areas in CO if they are conservative.

Regarding size, I am looking for more of a small town atmosphere and I think C Springs is a bit too big for me and Denver is definitely way too big.

And regarding the loss of power, my CTSC should help keep the ponies energized. :biggrin:
 
I decided to comment on all the items in this thread because it really got me fired up...

Meeting Up
I'll PM you my cell number & some info.

Altitude & HP

Yes, you can recoup the lost power (and then some) of living in thin air, but it means you're burning more OIL and producing more POLLUTION. :eek:

Roads.

The roads in Colorado Springs are hands-down better than Fort Collins (with the exception of the I-25 corridor in CS, which won't be completed within 5 lifetimes). You can travel much farther (2 to 8 times farther) per minute in the Springs than you can in FC. The consolation is that Fort Collins is smaller (you might only average 15 miles-per hour, but you only have to go 7 miles...where in Colorado Springs you could average 30-40 MPH over 15-20 miles).

Many of Fort Collins so-called "arterial streets" (main cross-town roads) switch between 1 and 2 lanes (each way). They wait until a street is entirely over-crowded before they consider widening it...and execution takes place 10 years after such consideration. They bilk the voters into taxing themselves for road improvements (repeatedly, and for the same improvements) and then spend the money on other unnecessary things (like giving $50 to someone who throws an ice-cream social for the people on their block and paying someone to administrate said program). The bike lanes are a nice idea, but they are even more intermittent than second lanes so the reality doesn't meet the hype. Traffic could be improved with higher speeds and less stop lights (as explained to me by a city traffic engineer who was in the process of explaining to me why they had just added a traffic light near my house...there was no reason except that the intersection had met the minimum threshold necessary to permit a stoplight). I'm glad I can somewhat avoid funding the foolishness by living outside city limits (and often shopping in Loveland).

Colorado Springs, on the other hand, has beautiful 2-lane (each way) roads that are put into place (gasp) before development goes in that will depend on them. They even do this with freeways...on NE side of town they built the new sections of Powers Blvd like a freeway sans overpasses. When volume requires, boom, throw in the overpasses and you're good to go. I-25 is a different story...I have no idea when they'll be done widening it. Compared to T-Rex (I-25 widening through Denver) it's shameful.

Rock Chips (sand)

The rock-chip problem exists not because they don't sweep the streets well after winter (imagine what that would cost, BTW), but that they put sand down during the winter at all. We have, what 5-10 snow storms all winter with enough accumulation to effect driving...and the snow is melted 2 days later when it's back up to 50-60. If people could learn that ice & snow-covered roads have less grip than dry roads we wouldn't have to put sand down along the front-range at all (I understand the sand is needed in places like Summit County...but not in Denver, CS, or FC).

Politics

95% of the state (by land area, probably 55% by population) is conservative and/or libertarian. They wish Boulder and Denver counties would move to another state. Unfortunately Larimer county, which contains Fort Collins, is trying real hard to join that list (you should see the outrage on the opinion page of our newspaper over the killing of "innocent" prairie dogs).

Conclusion

I suggest Boulder. You'll help my cause (trying to keep Larimer county from being super-liberal) and yours (desire to live in a liberal area).

Boulder is liberal heaven (like California or Mass.). They have no-growth policies in place...which I think makes them a small town by statute. They believe they transcend basic economic theory. "Affordable housing" is achieved by increasing demand (subsidies for the poor & higher minimum wages) without increasing supply (building housing units)...and it's a surprise when rent prices go up, landowners get richer, and now the middle class joins the poor in not being able to afford to live there. They have a public university (that is so much cooler than CSU with tenured proffs like Ward Churchill), beggars downtown, environmentalists with second and third homes in Vail who fly all over the world to reduce other people's greenhouse gas emissions, and oh so much culture, diversity, and equality-via-quota.
 
Sounds like a good choice to me. Ft. Collins it is! However.... Boulder is a REALLY nice option too..... I've partied and done my thing with the college ladies in both places, and they both RAWK.

As you can tell, I'm from the younger end of the NSX ownership demographic.
 
KooLaid said:
As you can tell, I'm from the younger end of the NSX ownership demographic.
I knew the day would come when someone would insinuate that I'm old...I was just hoping it would take a little longer. :biggrin:

Kids these days. :wink:
 
Politics

95% of the state (by land area, probably 55% by population) is conservative and/or libertarian. They wish Boulder and Denver counties would move to another state. Unfortunately Larimer county, which contains Fort Collins, is trying real hard to join that list (you should see the outrage on the opinion page of our newspaper over the killing of "innocent" prairie dogs).

Conclusion

I suggest Boulder. You'll help my cause (trying to keep Larimer county from being super-liberal) and yours (desire to live in a liberal area).

Boulder is liberal heaven (like California or Mass.). They have no-growth policies in place...which I think makes them a small town by statute. They believe they transcend basic economic theory. "Affordable housing" is achieved by increasing demand (subsidies for the poor & higher minimum wages) without increasing supply (building housing units)...and it's a surprise when rent prices go up, landowners get richer, and now the middle class joins the poor in not being able to afford to live there. They have a public university (that is so much cooler than CSU with tenured proffs like Ward Churchill), beggars downtown, environmentalists with second and third homes in Vail who fly all over the world to reduce other people's greenhouse gas emissions, and oh so much culture, diversity, and equality-via-quota.[/QUOTE]


Latzke, when are you running for office? I volunteer to be your campaign manager!!! I agree 100% with your assesment.
12AMNSX, Boulder is a great place and it sounds like a great fit for you. I'd get there quick before the prarie dogs are afforded voting rights in that city. I think I saw your NSX at the NSXPO last fall?? It's amazing! Don't worry about the rock chips. Hell, I've already hit a coyote and a jackrabbit with my NSX here in Colorado. I welcome rocks!! Prarie dogs might leave a mark though. Good luck on your move here, wherever you decide to come to.
 
Latzke, looks like you're trying to talk me into going to Boulder to preserve FC from my overly liberal thinking! :biggrin: No worries, I'm not a flower child in disguise. In fact, I am looking into business ownership and will exhibit plenty of the good ol' boys way of life.

Got your PM and will ring you tomorrow as I got back too late to call you.
 
I look forward to your call...and I hope we can find a time to meet up. If you end up living here, we'll have to get together and go for some drives. There are some fabulous roads quite close to town. The same (great roads nearby) applies to Boulder as well. You can't go wrong with either in that respect.

BTW, what type of business are you currently in and/or would consider owning in CO?

12AMNSX said:
No worries, I'm not a flower child in disguise.
At least the flower children are mostly harmless (and are generally in agreement with me that government is too paternalistic). The folks I have a problem with are the do-gooder nany-state type. I'm most scared by the people who think it's their job to protect people from their own bad choices (smoking bans, manditory seatbelt laws, prohibition, gun control, speed limits, etc), that taxing themselves (and thus steeling from others via coercion) to fund social services or charities is anything but completely immoral, and that it's possible and/or right to legislate morality beyond keeping people from infringing on the rights of others.

C.S. Lewis said it well...
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
 
If you are moving to Ft Collins, make sure to bring your Radar Detector, every time that I'm up there I bring my V1 along and it pays off quickly. Between the City Police and their Camera Vans and the Highway Patrol it can be a handful.

What really sucks right now is that the only track that remains open in the entire state is Pueblo Motorsports Park, Second Creek nearby the airport was closed last year, I heard that Pikes Peak was bought and pretty much not usable anymore, the track right off I-25 was purchased by the Boulder Shelby club and not used for auto events frequently either.

I've heard that there will be a new track facility on the east side of Denver pretty soon. The only other major track is the new track nearby Salt Lake City (Miller). Other than that it's pretty much down to dodging cones (waste of time, IMHO, LOL..)

BTW: It's funny to read all the smack/trash about liberal vs conservative, when it comes down to it people are just people. As long as they are reasonable it's all good :D. I've met conversatives that are total idiots and I've also met liberals that are total idiots as well, so go figure.. :rolleyes:

P.S. CO Highways suck!!! Nothing like driving on 101/202/51/etc down in AZ or the highways in CA :(

Totally agree on the talent part, both Boulder and Ft Collins have cuties galore, not quite like Scottsdale/Tempe/Phoenix AZ but they are way smarter and live a healthier lifestyle too :cool:

I'll be shipping my NSX out there soon so there might be at least 2 NSX's in Fort Collins pretty soon :D
 
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I would put in my vote for the western slope. Still pristine, roads are good in summer and fall. (Spring is iffy and winter is a crap shoot) Liberal vs conservative is not a big topic (I don't like George Bush or any Democrat- most people feel that way). Also, the traffic jams are from migrating elk (they tend to go over, not through your car because it's so low). Another NSX up here would be welcome and the girls are cute too.
 
If you are looking for a liberal community Boulder is defiantly the place to live. Soon between boulder and Denver there will be no undeveloped land( It is like one big city between boulder and Denver so it may not fit your small city rule).My only suggestion is to not live extremely close to either of the university's if you choose Boulder or Fort Collins unless the neighborhood is expensive. There reason to not live next to the school is so you don't have to deal with all of the college kids. I am in college right now and I have friends at both schools and all of there neighbors hate them because of the parties and the noise.
KooLaid said:
I think the C-springs politicians and big wigs in their law enforcement are really corrupt though. That's just me, and part of a conspiracy theory I have building up. Bottomline, C-springs does not take care of their people/tax payers. But I'll just keep that at that. Not a political debate.

Can't go wrong with Ft. Collins. I'd love to live there.
I argee the Colorado Springs Police are racist in my experince.
 
Don Corenman said:
I would put in my vote for the western slope.
I agree & completely forgot about that. The western slope (i.e. Craig, Rifle, Grand Junction, Montrose, etc) is nice, as is everything between the front range and there. Live in an absolutely beautiful place for a lot of money (ski towns & adjacent) or a little (many other towns). Either way, it's not for all...some aren't cut out for high altitude weather, living in "the middle of nowhere," or some other lifestyle attribute that ends up being different than in a more-vanilla location.
 
Thank you to everyone who provided some feedback regarding the Fort Collins area. And a special thanks to latzke for taking the time to meet with me during my visit to share his thoughts on the city. I'm especially thankful for the fact that his comments were honest and positive, even though he would rather not have me as a new neighbor due to the affects of growth on the area and culture.

Here are some of my observations:

The old downtown area is great. Nicely done with lots of well preserved buildings accommodating shops, restaurants and pubs. It was easy to walk to from where I was staying and the local crowd is friendly and warm. Yes, there is definitely the liberal presence evidenced by the guys with the table set up on the sidewalk promoting a petition to legalize pot. Lots of good looking females as well. :biggrin:

The older residential streets with rows of old, beautiful Victorians and immense trees was right out of a story book. Very nice.

One thing I did notice is that the further you get from downtown the more the city looks like just any other place in the Midwest. There are pockets of small "bedroom" communities in the area with newer homes, but they lack the culture and feel of the town. If I were to live there I would rather be in an area that has preserved the feel of the city.

The weather was nice, if not hot. The roads seem to be in pretty good shape. I was surprised to see red light cameras on the main drag in town. I also was told there is a photo radar SUV. But the biggest surprise was the fact that there is an active railroad line going right through the middle of town! Here I am walking toward downtown when I hear the blare of horns from a train. I'm thinking, it's just passing north of town. But when I get closer to downtown, here comes a mile long freight train down the middle of the street! That is definitely different.

All in all, I was pretty impressed and Fort Collins seems like a good place to live. It's high on the list right now.
 
12AMNSX said:
The old downtown area is great. ...(snip)... The older residential streets with rows of old, beautiful Victorians and immense trees was right out of a story book. Very nice.
Disneyland's Main Street USA was inspired by Fort Collins, Colorado and Marceline, Missouri (the latter being Walt's hometown). Some of the buildings on Main Street USA (City Hall, Bank, and others) are directly copies of buildings in Fort Collins. What exists today is obviously much different than what existed at the era of Fort Collins they used for inspiration (about 100 years ago)...but it's still very nice.
12AMNSX said:
Yes, there is definitely the liberal presence evidenced by the guys with the table set up on the sidewalk promoting a petition to legalize pot.
I see both liberals and conservatives very split on this issue - so I don't think it trends either of those ways. It's really more of a libertarian vs. authoritarian thing than liberal vs conservative, especially as those latter labels are currently applied in the US. Regardless, I'm hoping for eventual legalization through state ballot initiatives / amendments that ultimately conflict with federal law or rescheduling as we've seen in the UK (absolutely stupid that marijuana is considered a "Schedule I" drug in the US...the UK was recently wise enough to reclassify it from their "Class B" to their "Class C").
12AMNSX said:
But the biggest surprise was the fact that there is an active railroad line going right through the middle of town!
Some people really hate the train...I don't mind. It rarely delays my travel, and generally only for a few minutes when it does. That it literally goes down the middle of a (3-lane one-way) street downtown confuses some people the first time they encounter it. You'll have traffic moving parallel with it on both sides. It's actually kind of neat driving with a train in the next lane...unless you want to be on the other side of it.
12AMNSX said:
All in all, I was pretty impressed and Fort Collins seems like a good place to live. It's high on the list right now.
I wish you luck finding a place you can call home...here or elsewhere.
 
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